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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN What the website fails to disclose is that our voting system is far, far too complicated for your average american to utilise, because there isnt a simple machine with a lever to pull or button to press!

lol we still have problems, sad yes?

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Originally posted by Marc Summers lol we still have problems, sad yes?

i think its more problems with the voting machines more than anything. i have NO idea why the citizenry accepts voting machines. its just the silliest idea EVER.

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Originally posted by nchs09 why?

...because we don't want people in our country who can't communicate with us.

Duh.

It ceases to be "Australia" when there are 400,000 Chinese here who can't speak English, and begins to be...a colony of China! BUM BUM BAAAM! (that was dramatic noises).

But seriously, anyone who moves here should have to learn English. Just like if I moved to Japan, Sweden, Mali, or any other country I would fully expect to learn the local language and customs.

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Originally posted by Beat Blog ...because we don't want people in our country who can't communicate with us. Duh. It ceases to be "Australia" when there are 400,000 Chinese here who can't speak English, and begins to be...a colony of China! BUM BUM BAAAM! (that was dramatic noises). But seriously, anyone who moves here should have to learn English. Just like if I moved to Japan, Sweden, Mali, or any other country I would fully expect to learn the local language and customs.

agreed. but the government should help out in someways to get ppl to adapt to aussie ways. that doesnt mean u cant be proud of ur nationality and such but u must be able to accept our laws and speak, read, write english and have some form of education, get a job, pay taxes etc...

i got the labor party.

email i just received...


2007 Australian Citizenship test


1. Do you understand the meaning, but are unable to explain the origin
of, the term 'died in the arse'?
___________________________________
2. What is a 'bloody little beauty'?
___________________________________
3. Are these terms related: 'chuck a sickie'; 'chuck a spaz'; 'chuck a U-ey'?
___________________________________
4. Explain the following passage: 'In the arvo last Chrissy, the relos
rocked up for a barbie, some bevvies and a few snags. After a bit of a Bex and
a lie down we opened the pressies, scoffed all the chockies, bickies
and lollies. Then we drained a few tinnies and Mum did her block after Dad
and Steve had a barney and a bit of biffo.'
__________________________________
5. Macca, Chooka and Wanger are driving to Surfers in their Torana. If
they are travelling at 100 km/h while listening to Barnsey, Farnsey and Acca
Dacca, how many slabs will each person on average consume between
flashing a brown eye and having a slash?
___________________________
6. Complete the following sentences:
a) If the van's rockin' don't bother ...?
b) You're going home in the back of a ...?
c) Fair crack of the ...?
_________________________________
7. I've had a gutful and I can't be fagged. Discuss
__________________________________
8. Have you ever been on the giving or receiving end of a wedgie?
__________________________________
9. Do you have a friend or relative who has a car in their front yard
'up on blocks'? Is his name Bruce and does he have a wife called Cheryl?
__________________________________
10. Does your family regularly eat a dish involving mincemeat,
cabbage, curry powder and a packet of chicken noodle soup called either chow
mein, chop suey or kai see ming?
__________________________________
11. What are the ingredients in a rissole?
__________________________________
12. Demonstrate the correct procedure for eating a Tim Tam.
__________________________________
13. Do you have an Aunty Irene who smokes 30 cigarettes a day and
sounds like a bloke?
__________________________________
14. In any two-hour period have you ever eaten three-bean salad, a chop,
and two serves of pav washed down with someone else's beer that has been
flogged from a bath full of ice?
__________________________________
15. When you go to a bring- your-own-meat barbie can you eat other
people's meat or are you only allowed to eat your own?
__________________________________
16. What purple root vegetable beginning with the letter 'b' is required
by law to be included in a hamburger with the lot?
__________________________________
17. Do you own or have you ever owned a lawn mower, a pair of thongs,
an Esky or Ugg boots?
__________________________________
18. Is it possible to 'prang a car' while doing 'circle work'?
__________________________________
19. Who would you like to crack on to?
__________________________________
20. Who is the most Australian?:
a) Kevin 'Bloody' Wilson
b) John 'True Blue' Williamson
c) Kylie Minogue
d) Warnie
__________________________________
21. Is there someone you are only mates with because they own a trailer
or have a pool?
_________________________________
22. What does "sinkin p iss at a mate's joint and gettin para" mean?

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Originally posted by Beat Blog Blah blah blah

I think in order for migrants to recieve significant GOVERNMENT BENEFITS (not immigration), they should be required to pass some kind of "contribution to society" test. Understanding customs should be a mandatory component of that, but learning English 110% fluently shouldn't. The focus should be more on the real cost/benefit they bring to our country.

It's all good for you to look at the situation economically, from the comfort of your office chair, like a good little selfish capitalist... But if you were in someone elses shoes, your oppinion would soon change.

My grandfather had been seperated from his family (all dead) since he was 12, running from the army since he was ~15 or so. Can you imagine that? At 12 years old your whole family is dead and you're alone to fend for yourself... He came to Australia when he was 19 and was put to work on a sugar cane plantation by the government. At first, it was all ethnical migrants working on the plantation. Obviously all these guys were FOB and couldn't speak a word of English, but they worked their asses off to an extent that most Australian citizens will never even be able to comprehend. Then they began bringing in poms to work on the plantation, moved the italians & greeks to farming, and the whole operation fell apart. The poms could obviously speak English completely fluently, but they were lazy and did no work. I know who I would prefer in my country...

I think if you ask just about any immigrant about their experience in work camps, their story will be the same. In fact, when I was in Sydney 3 weeks ago, I was talking to an Italian cab driver. He was put on construction sites in Sydney the day he got off the boat. They were later replaced by poms. The project ended up taking years to complete and was over budget, because the poms went on strike 3 times.

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Originally posted by Beat Blog ...because we don't want people in our country who can't communicate with us. Duh. It ceases to be "Australia" when there are 400,000 Chinese here who can't speak English, and begins to be...a colony of China! BUM BUM BAAAM! (that was dramatic noises). But seriously, anyone who moves here should have to learn English. Just like if I moved to Japan, Sweden, Mali, or any other country I would fully expect to learn the local language and customs.

idiot.

lib/nat...by a lot.

only one even remotely close was labor.

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Originally posted by nchs09 idiot.

The sad part is that Beat Blog's view is that of the typical Australian. This is how a dickbag like Howard comes to run the country.

Labor isn't perfect, but it is the lesser of two evils.

It gave me Labor as winner and lib/nat as runner up.
ok.

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Originally posted by echosystm I think in order for migrants to recieve significant GOVERNMENT BENEFITS (not immigration), they should be required to pass some kind of "contribution to society" test. Understanding customs should be a mandatory component of that, but learning English 110% fluently shouldn't. The focus should be more on the real cost/benefit they bring to our country. It's all good for you to look at the situation economically, from the comfort of your office chair, like a good little selfish capitalist... But if you were in someone elses shoes, your oppinion would soon change. My grandfather had been seperated from his family (all dead) since he was 12, running from the army since he was ~15 or so. Can you imagine that? At 12 years old your whole family is dead and you're alone to fend for yourself... He came to Australia when he was 19 and was put to work on a sugar cane plantation by the government. At first, it was all ethnical migrants working on the plantation. Obviously all these guys were FOB and couldn't speak a word of English, but they worked their asses off to an extent that most Australian citizens will never even be able to comprehend. Then they began bringing in poms to work on the plantation, moved the italians & greeks to farming, and the whole operation fell apart. The poms could obviously speak English completely fluently, but they were lazy and did no work. I know who I would prefer in my country... I think if you ask just about any immigrant about their experience in work camps, their story will be the same. In fact, when I was in Sydney 3 weeks ago, I was talking to an Italian cab driver. He was put on construction sites in Sydney the day he got off the boat. They were later replaced by poms. The project ended up taking years to complete and was over budget, because the poms went on strike 3 times.

er...what?

I never said anything about immigrants contributing to the economy. I just think that for them to function in our society, they should be able to speak the language. What happens when non-english speakers have to go to their local primary school for a meeting with their kid's teachers, and they can't communicate with them?

Or they can't understand road signs telling them how to drive?

Or they can't read a menu in a restaurant?

Or they can't give directions to a tourist (or local), because they don't speak the same language?

Or they can't strike up a conversation with someone out in public?

It's all about fitting into society. People can only become "Australian" when they interact with people from this country. Hanging out at home all day, or at clubs/bars/workplaces only visited by other migrants who speak your language is not conducive to this. This effectively creates small sects of the community that are living in Australia, but are not a real part of this country.

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Originally posted by nchs09 idiot.

No sir, you are the fucking idiot. What kind of retard sees no reason to learn the native language in the country they are living in? It's fairly logical. How can you expect to work and interact if you don't?

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Originally posted by echosystm The sad part is that Beat Blog's view is that of the typical Australian. This is how a dickbag like Howard comes to run the country. Labor isn't perfect, but it is the lesser of two evils.

er...no.

I'm not racist, and I'm not xenophobic. I'm not some bogan saying "get all those fucking asians out of MY country, they don't belong here".

In fact, I'm all for cultural diversity. But how can I welcome immigrants with open arms if they don't speak my language?

I mean that literally. I LOVE speaking to our local taxi-drivers (yes, I just made a huge generalisation - can it) and finding out where they are from, what they do, what their dreams are, if they have family etc. Every time I jump in a cab I strike up a conversation with the driver, even if my friends are in the car. Again...how can I welcome them if they can't speak to me? Through gesticulation?

...and don't bring politics into this. Politics are inane.

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Originally posted by Beat Blog Or they can't understand road signs telling them how to drive? Or they can't read a menu in a restaurant? Or they can't give directions to a tourist (or local), because they don't speak the same language? Or they can't strike up a conversation with someone out in public?

arrows are usually easily translated

they get the wrong food. it only hurts them

people fail to do that for all sorts of other reasons

I'd hate to live in a country that required a minimum level of amiability.

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Originally posted by echosystm It's all good for you to look at the situation economically, from the comfort of your office chair, like a good little selfish capitalist...

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Originally posted by echosystm In fact, when I was in Sydney 3 weeks ago, I was talking to an Italian cab driver. He was put on construction sites in Sydney the day he got off the boat. They were later replaced by poms. The project ended up taking years to complete and was over budget, because the poms went on strike 3 times.

Contradiction much?

You call me a capitalist then go on to say how good immigrants are for effective labour, regardless of their own welfare...

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Originally posted by Beat Blog Or they can't understand road signs telling them how to drive? Or they can't read a menu in a restaurant? Or they can't give directions to a tourist (or local), because they don't speak the same language? Or they can't strike up a conversation with someone out in public?

i know plently of popele who live in the US and dont speak the language. they have social lives, they interact with other immigrants.

why do they have to learn it if they dont want to?

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Originally posted by eRRaTiK email i just received... 2007 Australian Citizenship test 1. Do you understand the meaning, but are unable to explain the origin of, the term 'died in the arse'? ___________________________________ 2. What is a 'bloody little beauty'? ___________________________________ 3. Are these terms related: 'chuck a sickie'; 'chuck a spaz'; 'chuck a U-ey'? ___________________________________ 4. Explain the following passage: 'In the arvo last Chrissy, the relos rocked up for a barbie, some bevvies and a few snags. After a bit of a Bex and a lie down we opened the pressies, scoffed all the chockies, bickies and lollies. Then we drained a few tinnies and Mum did her block after Dad and Steve had a barney and a bit of biffo.' __________________________________ 5. Macca, Chooka and Wanger are driving to Surfers in their Torana. If they are travelling at 100 km/h while listening to Barnsey, Farnsey and Acca Dacca, how many slabs will each person on average consume between flashing a brown eye and having a slash? ___________________________ 6. Complete the following sentences: a) If the van's rockin' don't bother ...? b) You're going home in the back of a ...? c) Fair crack of the ...? _________________________________ 7. I've had a gutful and I can't be fagged. Discuss __________________________________ 8. Have you ever been on the giving or receiving end of a wedgie? __________________________________ 9. Do you have a friend or relative who has a car in their front yard 'up on blocks'? Is his name Bruce and does he have a wife called Cheryl? __________________________________ 10. Does your family regularly eat a dish involving mincemeat, cabbage, curry powder and a packet of chicken noodle soup called either chow mein, chop suey or kai see ming? __________________________________ 11. What are the ingredients in a rissole? __________________________________ 12. Demonstrate the correct procedure for eating a Tim Tam. __________________________________ 13. Do you have an Aunty Irene who smokes 30 cigarettes a day and sounds like a bloke? __________________________________ 14. In any two-hour period have you ever eaten three-bean salad, a chop, and two serves of pav washed down with someone else's beer that has been flogged from a bath full of ice? __________________________________ 15. When you go to a bring- your-own-meat barbie can you eat other people's meat or are you only allowed to eat your own? __________________________________ 16. What purple root vegetable beginning with the letter 'b' is required by law to be included in a hamburger with the lot? __________________________________ 17. Do you own or have you ever owned a lawn mower, a pair of thongs, an Esky or Ugg boots? __________________________________ 18. Is it possible to 'prang a car' while doing 'circle work'? __________________________________ 19. Who would you like to crack on to? __________________________________ 20. Who is the most Australian?: a) Kevin 'Bloody' Wilson b) John 'True Blue' Williamson c) Kylie Minogue d) Warnie __________________________________ 21. Is there someone you are only mates with because they own a trailer or have a pool? _________________________________ 22. What does "sinkin p iss at a mate's joint and gettin para" mean?

LMAO that's great

I think that all depends on what you do or plan to do in the country where you don't initially speak the naive tongue. Fuck I didn't learn English until I started University. I really didn't need to.

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Originally posted by nchs09 i know plently of popele who live in the US and dont speak the language. they have social lives, they interact with other immigrants. why do they have to learn it if they dont want to?

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Originally posted by Domesticated It's all about fitting into society. People can only become "Australian" when they interact with people from this country. Hanging out at home all day, or at clubs/bars/workplaces only visited by other migrants who speak your language is not conducive to this. This effectively creates small sects of the community that are living in Australia, but are not a real part of this country.

The above applies to any country.

Have can a person feel any loyalty or connection to the place they are living if they don't speak the language, and hence can't interact or form bonds with "real" citizens who have been living there all their lives? They may as well be back living in whatever country they came from, minus the war or whatever other reason(s) they left.

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Originally posted by Beat Blog The above applies to any country. Have can you feel any loyalty or connection to the place you are living if you don't speak the language, and hence can't interact or form bonds with "real" citizens? You may as well be back living in whatever country you came from, minus the war or whatever reason you left.

why? Though I agree with that partially, there are a lot of people who don't speak the language and they congregate with others who don't and form their own little bond of FOB's. they get along fine, do well in life and have no complaints.

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Originally posted by Frenchie I think that all depends on what you do or plan to do in the country where you don't initially speak the naive tongue. Fuck I didn't learn English until I started University. I really didn't need to.

What is your native language? French?

That's a completely different situation since so much of Canada is French...

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Originally posted by Beat Blog Have can a person feel any loyalty or connection to the place they are living if they don't speak the language, and hence can't interact or form bonds with "real" citizens who have been living there all their lives? They may as well be back living in whatever country they came from, minus the war or whatever other reason(s) they left.

so national pride & community involvement should be requirements?

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Originally posted by Frenchie why? Though I agree with that partially, there are a lot of people who don't speak the language and they congregate with others who don't and form their own little bond of FOB's. they get along fine, do well in life and have no complaints.

...ergh.

Banging my head against a wall here.

That's fine, of course immigrants are happy if they have 500 other people living around with which to speak to and bond socially.

However they're still not integrating into society.

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Originally posted by Beat Blog What is your native language? French? That's a completely different situation since so much of Canada is French...

So that doesn't apply to any other country that has a vast majority of another language?

and yes, French.

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Originally posted by Beat Blog ...ergh. Banging my head against a wall here. That's fine, of course immigrants are happy if they have 500 other people living around with which to speak to and bond socially. However they're still not integrating into society.

Bang a little harder.

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Originally posted by Beat Blog What is your native language? French? That's a completely different situation since so much of Canada is French...

http://atlas.nrcan.gc.ca/sites/engl...r%3D255+255+255

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Originally posted by inconspicuous so national pride & community involvement should be requirements?

In a word...yes.

But not really.

National pride is not so important (though I do value that in myself), but community involvement is very important in my mind.

It's not like immigrants should be at a soup shelter serving up to the homeless, , but as I said, simple stuff like giving directions to a stranger...

lol @ the random red dots.

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Originally posted by Beat Blog In a word...yes. But not really.

You cannot do that.

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