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Originally posted by spolitta Because you don't have any first hand experience with any of those products you mentioned.

I'm running Ableton 6 with various devices connected via MIDI for digital material. To each his own, but with what I have CDJs are just expensive toys to me.

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Originally posted by Stasis With vinyl, there was always a much stronger feeling of possession over your tracks. You knew that when you bought your copy of a record, you were now in possession of one of possibly only 1,000 copies floating around all over the world. With each digital download, you never know how many other people are in possession of that same track. Maybe only 1,000. Maybe 100,000. Also, the sense of investment and the accompanying familiarity is gone with digital downloads. When each record costs $10 and you know you'll have to wait a few days for it to arrive in the mail, every purchase must be stewed over and consciously acted upon. Now, with tracks only costing about $2 and arriving instantly, we can buy tracks far more impulsively. I used to only buy about 30 records a month back when I was into vinyl 100%, but I knew and loved each of those records inside and out. Now, I sometimes buy about 30 tracks a week, and there are always tracks I immediately regret spending any money on.

I advise people to buy digital releases the same way that they would do for vinyl ie not on impulse. It's not because it sounds good *now* that it is a good track you must buy. Put it in a wishlist and listen to it in a few days before making a decision. Of course sometimes there is stuff that you now immedialtely is good.
Also, I almost always buy full release instead of separate tracks. That mean that the full release has to be really good.
If you end up with stuff you regret buying, raise the bar on what you consider quality. I always ask myself if I'll like the tracks in a few month or years before making a final decision. That's also why I don't stick much with the sound of now, most of which will get stale quick.
It's not because it's shiny that it will last. I'm also buying WAVs, even if it's more expensive it's a better long term investissment.

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Originally posted by DjWoody One of them is even installing a computer, so all I have to do is show up with my portable drive.

Now THAT is the ultimate convenience!

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Originally posted by bubbleguuum I advise people to buy digital releases the same way that they would do for vinyl ie not on impulse. It's not because it sounds good *now* that it is a good track you must buy. Put it in a wishlist and listen to it in a few days before making a decision. Of course sometimes there is stuff that you now immedialtely is good. Also, I almost always buy full release instead of separate tracks. That mean that the full release has to be really good. If you end up with stuff you regret buying, raise the bar on what you consider quality. I always ask myself if I'll like the tracks in a few month or years before making a final decision. That's also why I don't stick much with the sound of now, most of which will get stale quick. It's not because it's shiny that it will last. I'm also buying WAVs, even if it's more expensive it's a better long term investissment.

Agreed. There is no reason to change one's buying habits when changing mediums. Put your digital purchases into a crate/cart/whatever, then come back in a week or so and give each of the samples a full listen-through. If there is even the slightest thing that seems 'off' to you, then take it out of the cart. I do the exact same thing with vinyl, etc. I'll start out with about 100 records to listen through at the store, and maybe walk out with 5...

For me the tracks that I buy have to be just right. All of the elements have to fit together perfectly. I end up with only 15-20 new tracks per month, but I have songs that I will definately play out and songs that I want to learn inside-out.

i dont get why everyone saysw that learnign on vinyl was the best..i learned on vinyl....and yeah..dont feel any different..but then again i'll never know whats it like to not learn from vinyl

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Originally posted by Oreoh142 i dont get why everyone saysw that learnign on vinyl was the best..i learned on vinyl....and yeah..dont feel any different..but then again i'll never know whats it like to not learn from vinyl

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Originally posted by JD8180

yeah i know i suck at typing

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Originally posted by Oreoh142 yeah i know i suck at typing

well i understood what you wrote, but the was due to the fact that you pretty much cancelled out your entire statement with the end that you wrote there

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Originally posted by JD8180 well i understood what you wrote, but the was due to the fact that you pretty much cancelled out your entire statement with the end that you wrote there

well yeah,its just i mean i'll never know...

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Originally posted by Alex Barretta I went from full computer setup( ableton ), to CDs and then finally to vinyl. I know for most people its the otherway around but for me djing doesnt feel like djing without a record. I dont care what anyone else uses to mix tracks as long as the crowd and I enjoy the music.

Back in the day they only mixed with a single turntable. Give that a try to pursue your journey back in time. lol

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Originally posted by Beatflux Back in the day they only mixed with a single turntable. Give that a try to pursue your journey back in time. lol

how is that even possible?

I pretty much agree. Even if vinyl does sound better, i just dont have the finances anymore to support a vinyl habit. But still there are some tracks out there that are impossible to find in mp3 (legal or illegal) but are available on vinyl. But thats mostly for older tracks.

Re: I think I'm done with vinyl (my short forray into the hype)

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Originally posted by emc^2 2. Sound of vinyl vs. CD. Long debates have raged on for years and some are clinging to one school of thought, anothers are willing to fight to the death to argue contrary. Bottom line, in my listening experience - CDs kick vinyl's a$$ when it comes to sound quality.

it is really a matter of preference, but that ^^ simply isnt true. vinyl does have a warmer sound and is easier to hear in a club imo (for uplifting trance at least).

and then you have the odd DJ that plays 192s in a club

im also done with vinyl , i rarely touch them, ive switched to Ableton and CDJs, can do so much more with them.

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Originally posted by Jarvmeister I am so pleased this is not a factor to me! I mean honestly, are you telling me it affects your enjoyment of a track if more people have it? Were you the kind of kid that would sit in the playground and not share his toy?!?! I couldn't give two shits how many people own a track, whether anyone else likes it, or frankly who's responsible for it. If I like it I get it - and I love it. Jarv

you have a point to a degree

but i like to distinguish my sounds as much as possible from the next guy. and there are so many

also, for me a good night out is a night of disorientation, losing yourself, and it is a hell of a lot easier to do this when you don�t know the tracks.

When I deejay I like to disorient the crowd, bring them into my dream world, introduce new things to them and keep people guessing what is going to happen, with the constant expectation of something better and better

i love the mystery of it all, and the separation from reality
as soon as i hear something i recognize, or worse, if it is something overplayed, i snap out of the separation

i love the mystery of records. Beautiful black discs that are like tablets, physically carved with a universal yet hidden language that can only be understood in the actual ritual of dropping the needle on it, the transmutation of a piece of plastic into something nearly magical that can make people scream, cry, jump, twist, jack, fuck, etc

wow.

Ezekiel 25:17. The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you.




first thing that came to mind when I read what you said nefardec. I agree with you though, when I'm playing, I feel a lot more into it, i guess you could say spiritualized when playing from a turntable.

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Originally posted by nefardec you have a point to a degree but i like to distinguish my sounds as much as possible from the next guy. and there are so many also, for me a good night out is a night of disorientation, losing yourself, and it is a hell of a lot easier to do this when you don�t know the tracks. When I deejay I like to disorient the crowd, bring them into my dream world, introduce new things to them and keep people guessing what is going to happen, with the constant expectation of something better and better i love the mystery of it all, and the separation from reality as soon as i hear something i recognize, or worse, if it is something overplayed, i snap out of the separation i love the mystery of records. Beautiful black discs that are like tablets, physically carved with a universal yet hidden language that can only be understood in the actual ritual of dropping the needle on it, the transmutation of a piece of plastic into something nearly magical that can make people scream, cry, jump, twist, jack, fuck, etc

Excellent post!!!!

This post was really helpful. I am deciding which route to go to and I was think along the same lines of cost and difficulty on where to find certain records on vinyl.

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Originally posted by DJ Blitzkrieg This post was really helpful. I am deciding which route to go to and I was think along the same lines of cost and difficulty on where to find certain records on vinyl.

vinyl tables are cheaper, but you pay more for records...i personally use http://www.dancerecords.com/

I dont regret going vinyl...but in 97 I didnt have a choice. Ive spent way too much on records to write them off. I am bringing in digital but I will mix both. I have a few tracks that are just too hard to find.

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Originally posted by Oreoh142 vinyl tables are cheaper, but you pay more for records...i personally use http://www.dancerecords.com/

Thanks for that link! Awesome ps work on that sig, btw.

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Originally posted by nefardec i love the mystery of it all, and the separation from reality as soon as i hear something i recognize, or worse, if it is something overplayed, i snap out of the separation

I know exactly what your saying, but, sometimes, when you are lost in good music that you dont know, when you suddenly hear a track you do, it can be amazing.

When surrounded by a load of stuff you dont recognise, good, but popular, tracks can sound soo much better.

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Originally posted by Oreoh142 how is that even possible?

When the record came to an end, a DJ had to hurry and try and get the next record on as quickly as possible. It's from a quote from "How to DJ Right." I'm too lazy to look it up.

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I know exactly what your saying, but, sometimes, when you are lost in good music that you dont know, when you suddenly hear a track you do, it can be amazing.

I agree somewhat, but I still think the first time is always the best.

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