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Originally posted by eROs.au No, I disagree with you completely. Trees are important.

LOL

I agree also... trees are very important. I have no idea what Magnetonium has against trees.

Grow more hemp, save the ozone!

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Originally posted by eROs.au No, I disagree with you completely. Trees are important.

But you said that hemp is more important than trees

looks like death happened a while back, it just fell

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby LOL I agree also... trees are very important. I have no idea what Magnetonium has against trees. Grow more hemp, save the ozone!

How good is growing more hemp when many trees get cut down. Mature trees are capable of stabilizing carbon much better than hemp can, though hemp has many good uses as well.Just not very correct to compare hemp to trees when it comes to environment health.

Indeed, that was an old tree. Natural causes.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium The death of an important tree should make people feel more alarmed and concerned about the issue of deforestation.

...but there's no connection since the tree died of natural causes...

Besides, if you're going to make any connection, you might want to point out the number of fires started by people.
B.C. looses and gains thousands of acres of trees every year so there's no reason to be alarmist on this one tree (as sad as it is).

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Originally posted by Magnetonium But you said that hemp is more important than trees

You can't smoke trees. Case closed.

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Originally posted by Lira Actually, I just quoted the first paragraph, because I really didn't understand the link between this one tree and global warming I was just saying how ironic is that several of these magnificent tress have been lost to weather recently ... as many more are getting cut.

You should see the devastation in Stanly Park. I was there last weekend and what used to be a solid forest has huge clearings now that were pounded down by the wind a year ago.

I read a paper on deforestation that found that forests filter out some 1000 tones of carbon / square km / year. (can't find the link though )

And yes, the tree did make a sound, the whole city has been invited to the funeral too

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r ...but there's no connection since the tree died of natural causes... Besides, if you're going to make any connection, you might want to point out the number of fires started by people. B.C. looses and gains thousands of acres of trees every year so there's no reason to be alarmist on this one tree (as sad as it is).

I am not making a connection between this tree and deforestation, its just it was the first thing on my mind. I am surprised that most people dont think of that. Here, check out some nice British Columbia maps for deforestation:

Start zoomin' in on some of these, bud:

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=vanco...46875&t=k&hl=en

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=vanco...29688&t=k&hl=en

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=vanco...71875&t=k&hl=en


http://maps.google.com/maps?q=vanco...34375&t=k&hl=en

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Originally posted by Magnetonium How good is growing more hemp when many trees get cut down. Mature trees are capable of stabilizing carbon much better than hemp can, though hemp has many good uses as well.Just not very correct to compare hemp to trees when it comes to environment health. Indeed, that was an old tree. Natural causes.

Tell you what, you go do a few minutes of research on the cubic densities of oxygen put out by certain species of trees, then compare it to the oxygen output of hemp.

NOW, take a look at the growing cycles, longevity, and propagation of that tree vs that of hemp.

Come back to us with the conclusion please. Then let's smoke.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby Tell you what, you go do a few minutes of research on the cubic densities of oxygen put out by certain species of trees, then compare it to the oxygen output of hemp. NOW, take a look at the growing cycles, longevity, and propagation of that tree vs that of hemp. Come back to us with the conclusion please. Then let's smoke.

Hahah ... once again you're comparing trees to plans. Mature trees have bigger leaf area for bigger absorption of the same greenhouse gases. They take up more carbon. And on average hemp doesnt live longer than trees - its a plant. It is much thinner with much smaller leaf size and intake area.

Of course some rare trees are inferior to hemp, but overall trees stabilize more carbon, support more life and soil and have more benefits to the environment than hemp does. To drug-addicted humans, its opposite. But you wont be to survive without trees which are the backbone of the biosphere. In short term, in the growing season hemp surely does outperform trees, just like most plants do, but at the end of season, it suffers the fate of most plants ... plus, in this case, its smoked up and all the gases are back into the atmosphere. Imagine cutting down the entire rainforest and replacing it with hemp - get the idea? Havent you heard of the term that describes forests as "Lungs of the Earth"? Not hemp, sorry. The only advantage of hemp is short term - it grows faster than trees, but it doesnt reach the potential to that of trees (and with shorter life span). Hemp doesnt support much life either (other than perhaps breeding grounds for mosquitos), and just suiting fine to the human desires and the cravings of a weed user.

Only a fool would say that plants stabilize carbon better and take up more greenhouse gases than trees do. Rainforests that produce much of the breathing oxygen are not made up of hemp, they're FORESTS, aka trees.

The amazing hemp (check out the massive size of the plant:
Hemp Pic

Firs random google result for some trees:
Random trees pic

OK, you dont need to be a genius to figure out which one intakes more greenhouse gases .. and trees have longevity advantages, too. Does a hemp have a lifespan of 50-100 years?

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Hahah ... once again you're comparing trees to plans. Mature trees have bigger leaf area for bigger absorption of the same greenhouse gases. They take up more carbon. And on average hemp doesnt live longer than trees - its a plant. It is much thinner with much smaller leaf size and intake area. Of course some rare trees are inferior to hemp, but overall trees stabilize more carbon, support more life and soil and have more benefits to the environment than hemp does. To drug-addicted humans, its opposite. But you wont be to survive without trees which are the backbone of the biosphere. In short term, in the growing season hemp surely does outperform trees, just like most plants do, but at the end of season, it suffers the fate of most plants ... plus, in this case, its smoked up and all the gases are back into the atmosphere. Imagine cutting down the entire rainforest and replacing it with hemp - get the idea? Havent you heard of the term that describes forests as "Lungs of the Earth"? Not hemp, sorry. The only advantage of hemp is short term - it grows faster than trees, but it doesnt reach the potential to that of trees (and with shorter life span). Hemp doesnt support much life either (other than perhaps breeding grounds for mosquitos), and just suiting fine to the human desires and the cravings of a weed user. Only a fool would say that plants stabilize carbon better and take up more greenhouse gases than trees do. Rainforests that produce much of the breathing oxygen are not made up of hemp, they're FORESTS, aka trees. The amazing hemp (check out the massive size of the plant: Hemp Pic Firs random google result for some trees: Random trees pic OK, you dont need to be a genius to figure out which one intakes more greenhouse gases .. and trees have longevity advantages, too. Does a hemp have a lifespan of 50-100 years?

All of your baseless ad hominems aside, you didn't even take a second to research what I asked you to research.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I am not making a connection between this tree and deforestation, its just it was the first thing on my mind. I am surprised that most people dont think of that. Here, check out some nice British Columbia maps for deforestation: Start zoomin' in on some of these, bud: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=vanco...46875&t=k&hl=en http://maps.google.com/maps?q=vanco...29688&t=k&hl=en http://maps.google.com/maps?q=vanco...71875&t=k&hl=en http://maps.google.com/maps?q=vanco...34375&t=k&hl=en

Bud, I used to LIVE an hour and a half from there for 17years, I know exactly what's going on there.

Kamloops is a real shitty example for three reasons:
a) It's semi-arid, almost desert-like and
b) It's in a rain shadow of the Pacific Coast Mountain Range (and I know that because I was in the mountain valley to the East of Kamloops where all the rain dumped on us )
c) Pine Beetles have been devastating BC forests for years.

While I'm sure logging has something to do with these pictures, they aren't the 'whole picture'

Mag, trees are plants too, you know.

Anyway, the short lifespan of hemp is what gives it such a big advantage. Compare 50 years of hemp growing vs 50 years of trees. Hemp far outperforms it in terms of carbon fixation

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Bud, I used to LIVE an hour and a half from there for 17years, I know exactly what's going on there. Kamloops is a real shitty example for three reasons: a) It's semi-arid, almost desert-like and b) It's in a rain shadow of the Pacific Coast Mountain Range (and I know that because I was in the mountain valley to the East of Kamloops where all the rain dumped on us ) c) Pine Beetles have been devastating BC forests for years. While I'm sure logging has something to do with these pictures, they aren't the 'whole picture'

Its not just Camloops ... thats why I provided several links from all over the province (I hope you looked at all of them), you can see the effects of clear-cutting forestry business .. heck, I was looking around for property on sale in B.C. on MLS.ca, and you can snatch up for bargain prices lands that have been devoured of trees, in some cases two-thirds of the plot cleared up of them, and for sale. But good prices. My favourite is the 560.70 acres land # LOT 0 PORCHER ISLAND RD Prince Rupert, BC V8J 3P3, trees partially included. Only $425,000 right on the Pacific coast and only 15 miles SW of Prince Rupert. Hell of a deal.

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Originally posted by eROs.au Mag, trees are plants too, you know. Anyway, the short lifespan of hemp is what gives it such a big advantage. Compare 50 years of hemp growing vs 50 years of trees. Hemp far outperforms it in terms of carbon fixation

But hemp plants die several times in that lifespan (winter times, seasonal changes), they dont intake as much greenhouse gases, and other factors that I listed - and when the plants lifespan ends, its all released back into the air or smoked up by humans (and released into the air). The purpose of marijuana plants is not to stabilize CO2 and such but to provide satisfaction and enjoyment to humans and to grow medicines/food/oils/paper/fibres from hemp (great benefit, can save trees). I know well about hemp and its benefits. Using hemp will save trees and hemp paper/fibres are actually better than paper products made from trees, as one example. I support using hemp instead of trees, thus the trees can do all the carbon fixation and cleaning our air, while hemp can feed us, clothe us and make some other happy and high. Using both of them is important, using just hemp and continuing destruction of trees - not such a good idea.

Mature trees are second best to only plankton/algae in terms of stabilizing carbon and intaking all those substances mentioned. But it figures - look at how much of Earth's area is covered by water - if it was inversed with 70% land and only 30% water, then trees would obviously have a clear upper effect. Trees also only represent a portion of that 30% of land (a lot of land is also covered by mountains, deserts, taiga/ice/snow).

Also, when trees are cut down, oceans dont absorb carbon dioxide at higher rates, still the same rates. And when trees are not planted back (and it takes a long time for mature trees to grow back to their optimal levels where they can have their effect), there's an excess CO2 in the cycle that results in these Al Gore readings of global warming. More humans = more demand for arable land = more demand for cattle ranch grounds farms = more trees cut down. As long as our population continues to grow, and as long as we keep continually ignoring the devastating issue of deforestation, expect CO2 levels to icrease, air quality and climate to deteriorate from lack of trees that stabilize it, and many more species disappear and soil degregade. Can anyone here sponsor a new movie Inconvenient Nature?

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Its not just Camloops ... thats why I provided several links from all over the province (I hope you looked at all of them), you can see the effects of clear-cutting forestry business .. heck, I was looking around for property on sale in B.C. on MLS.ca, and you can snatch up for bargain prices lands that have been devoured of trees, in some cases two-thirds of the plot cleared up of them, and for sale. But good prices. My favourite is the 560.70 acres land # LOT 0 PORCHER ISLAND RD Prince Rupert, BC V8J 3P3, trees partially included. Only $425,000 right on the Pacific coast and only 15 miles SW of Prince Rupert. Hell of a deal.

Prince Rupert would be an excellent place to buy right about now if you can find anything.
Canada Customs just made that port a huge stop off for International Cargo.
I have a friend who has a friend who just relocated there from Toronto because of the extra work load.
Check it out:
http://www.rupertport.com/whatsnew.php

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Originally posted by Magnetonium [COLOR=FF7F50] But hemp plants die several times in that lifespan (winter times, seasonal changes)

This is what makes them superior in every way.

As a matter of fact, they are speculated to be one of the most evolutionarily advanced plants to have ever existed.

They're the god damned cyborgs of the plant world!

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