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Originally posted by LatinLover Dodd is the one that wants to grant amnesty to all illegal aliens Yeah! We should all be proud of him

If we have a welfare state, then we must limit immigration. But if we have a more stuff private, then immigrants should be welcomed as they were in the many waves of immigration in our country...

Im kind of guessing that this won't reflect the actual winner of the primary.

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Originally posted by Krypton If we have a welfare state, then we must limit immigration. But if we have a more stuff private, then immigrants should be welcomed as they were in the many waves of immigration in our country...

wtf are you talking about? you dont make any sense! just stick to your investor thread

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Originally posted by LatinLover Dodd is the one that wants to grant amnesty to all illegal aliens Yeah! We should all be proud of him

Funny, someone else comes to mind who also wanted amnesty to illegal immigrants, a very prominent figure of the GOP.....dang, who is that?

Wait, that wouldn't happen to be the GOP leader, President Bush now, would it? Funny that!

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Originally posted by LatinLover wtf are you talking about? you dont make any sense!

Pot, meet kettle.

Out of curiousity, Latin, you are a legal citizen of this great country of ours, right? It's merely idle speculation on my part, to be certain, but considering English is your second language, you live in Miami, just wondering......

I quote agree with the assertion that this is no time to learn foreign policy on the job.

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Biden: GOP candidates, except McCain, know �virtually nothing� about foreign policy By Klaus Marre October 21, 2007 Sen. Joseph Biden (Del.), chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination, said the Republican White House contenders, with the exception of Sen. John McCain (Ariz.), �know virtually nothing about foreign policy.� Biden is running on his background in foreign policy, arguing that the next president will not have the benefit of learning on the job and instead must be able to understand and deal with delicate situations from day one. The senator also stated that he is the only candidate to have put forward a plan to get out of Iraq. His proposal to decentralize Iraq�s government recently received broad support in the Senate. McCain had criticized the proposal, saying it would require hundreds of thousands of additional U.S. troops. Biden disagreed with the assessment, and charged McCain and the other GOP candidates of buying into the philosophy of President Bush that it is possible to create a strong central Iraqi government that would end sectarian strife. �It will not happen in your lifetime,� Biden, who appeared on ABC�s This Week with George Stephanopoulos,� said. �Never before has a sectarian -- self-sustaining sectarian violence ended in any other one of four ways: You put in a dictator, you pick one side to beat the other side, you occupy for two generations, or you have a federal system.� Biden�s harsh assessment of the GOP field and its foreign policy credentials came in response to a question about stepped up rhetoric on Iran, specifically former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani�s claim that Iran would not get nuclear weapons. The Delaware Democrat said he could not make such a promise. �But I can guarantee you I have a much better chance of stopping it from getting to them than he will,� Biden stated with regard to Giuliani. �His claim to fame was he settled the city, in terms of its violence,� the senator said. �He did that with a Clinton-Biden crime bill. Biden also said Democrats have to fight back in the so-called values debate. �Tell me what your values are, whoever I'm debating for the presidency,� the senator stated. �Do you value people making an average of $1.4 million a year getting an $85 billion tax cut? Do you value that more than sending every kid who can�t get to college to college, that costs less than $9 billion?�

Source: http://thehill.com/index2.php?optio...age=0&Itemid=70

By the way, Lebezniatnikov, Biden's stock rose with me last week with this support of Dodd's hold:

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San Francisco: Will you join Sen. Chris Dodd's hold and proposed filibuster on any FISA bill that includes retroactive immunity for telecoms? Thanks for joining us for this chat today, Sen. Biden, and thanks for the leadership you provide the Democratic Party and America. Sen. Joe Biden: Yes. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...7100401628.html

And Hillary? Obama? Where are they in this matter? Obama has only briefly mentioned that he doesn't support the amnesty to telecoms, but he hasn't answered whether or not he'll support Dodd's hold or possible filibuster at all. And Hillary hasn't said shit whatsoever.

Sad.

lol...and this is exactly why they took Ron out of the online polls...

Now if Ron actually gets this kind of support when it counts, then I'll eat my words but until then....

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 By the way, Lebezniatnikov, Biden's stock rose with me last week with this support of Dodd's hold:

Dodd is ok... but something about him just doesn't click with me. Can't really put my finger on it.

As for Biden, he comes down on the right side of a lot of issues for me. He is the only one with a reasonable plan for withdrawal from Iraq (that includes specifics), he is the most education-focused candidate, he stands firmly in favor of civil liberties, and he's responsible for the crime bill that allowed Giuliani to reach national notoriety in the first place. And in addition to that, Biden is known and respected by leaders around the world and wouldn't have to waste the first year of his term by establishing relations around the world... it would be a clear and decisive break with the current administration and the world would immediately recognize that.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r lol...and this is exactly why they took Ron out of the online polls... Now if Ron actually gets this kind of support when it counts, then I'll eat my words but until then....

Ron Paul supporters are unusually motivated. It takes a motivated person to vote in the primaries. Most people, the people who they poll nationally, aren't the motivated types.

How 'bout our favorite Democratic, uhh, I mean Republican frontrunner?:

lol

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/...ey_maclaine.php

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Kucinich Had A UFO Encounter, According To Friend Shirley MacLaine By Eric Kleefeld - October 23, 2007, 10:19AM In Shirley MacLaine's new book, the actress and longtime friend of Dennis Kucinich makes an interesting claim: During a visit to her home in Washington state, Kucinich said he saw a UFO and heard messages from it. "Dennis found his encounter extremely moving," MacLaine writes. "The smell of roses drew him out to my balcony where, when he looked up, he saw a gigantic triangular craft, silent, and observing him. "It hovered, soundless, for 10 minutes or so, and sped away with a speed he couldn't comprehend. He said he felt a connection in his heart and heard directions in his mind." Kucinich's campaign and Congressional offices did not return calls or e-mails from the Cleveland Plain Dealer.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov lol http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/...ey_maclaine.php

I'm sure he wants this to come out at this time..

Give me gay rights, abortion, some new immigration laws and WHAM. im voting. no one has impressed me yet.

ill do some more research and get back at you.

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Originally posted by barbina Give me gay rights, abortion, some new immigration laws and WHAM. im voting. no one has impressed me yet. ill do some more research and get back at you.

You've got til next summer..

haha iknow. im the queen of procrastination.. so itll take me till next summer to look

Mike Gravel is moderately less foolish than the rest of these imbeciles.

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Originally posted by barbina Give me gay rights, abortion, some new immigration laws and WHAM. im voting. no one has impressed me yet. ill do some more research and get back at you.

you've already got abortion. wtf more do you want?

wait...are you a post-op transexual 4th grade school teacher in Colorado?

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Originally posted by Marc Summers I chose barack obama because he wants to reduce our nuclear stockpile, and get us out of iraq. Brave man. And, so what if he's less experienced, that just means he's less corrupt, lol. Or maybe this is just my NJ mind again.

He's too unfamiliar with how math works to be corrupt.

I had the opportunity of hearing Ron Paul speak. A lot of people were impressed. Including me.

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Originally posted by inconspicuous He's too unfamiliar with how math works to be corrupt.

Obama has ties tio the CFR, an organization which has an underlying intention of destroying America's national sovereignty.

He's just another puppet, IMO.

Ron Paul is NOT a member of the CFR.

In his own words,

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Originally posted by barbina Give me gay rights, abortion, some new immigration laws and WHAM. im voting. no one has impressed me yet. ill do some more research and get back at you.

I have a hard time understanding why people would vote based on those issues when there are so many others which are of such greater importance. (except for immigration because that IS very important)

I guess it's because of the way that the media frames our discussions for us. There are literally hundreds of extremely important topics that America should be debating upon at any given moment but they're never really even going to be mentioned because the argument is directed towards a handful of frivolities.

It's like they're playing a shell game or better yet, it's like they're using sleight of hand with our perceptions.

Rudy Giuliani FTW

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Originally posted by leph555 Rudy Giuliani FTW

Other than just cheering for him like you're cheering for your favorite sports team, what are your underlying motivations for wanting to vote for him?

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Originally posted by Trancer-X Obama has ties tio the CFR, an organization which has an underlying intention of destroying America's national sovereignty. He's just another puppet, IMO.

Where the hell do you get this stuff? The Council on Foreign Relations is not some shadow organization trying to bring about the downfall of anything. It's main purpose is to publish Foreign Affairs, which is probably the most highly-regarded publication on foreign policy on this side of the Atlantic. Furthermore, it's highly regarded because it's very even-handed in how it addresses issues.

The conspiracy theorists who claim that the CFR is out to get them include the likes of Phylis Schafly and other neo-con extremists who get their britches in a bunch precisely because the Council rarely takes their side.

And Ron Paul's complaint with the CFR is probably that they deem his foreign policy credentials so insignificant that they would never even think about giving him an invitation to join.

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