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Originally posted by SPAWNmaster How can ishkur bash his creativity when he spends ages writing instruments in csound, programming in max/msp and pureData and literally creating music from code.

Probably the same way that you could have read a whole article and completely missed the point.

Writing music from code doesn't make it good music.

That's the whole point of the article; that BT focusses far too much on production techniques and spending hours at his computer than working on the actual compositions themselves.

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Originally posted by Sykonee Well, unless it's Daft Punk, The KLF, and italo disco.

I'd like to see him try to defend Daft Punk's uber sampling in Harder Better Faster Stronger, and the sidechain in One More Time. I LOVE ths songs, but he'll just contradict himself.

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Originally posted by iammesol I'd like to see him try to defend Daft Punk's uber sampling in Harder Better Faster Stronger, and the sidechain in One More Time. I LOVE ths songs, but he'll just contradict himself.

Yeah but he's like Maddox, and we all know Maddox doesn't believe half the stuff he says. He just says it because it is funny.

Going back and reading Ishkur's site, I got a kick out of T-1000 vs. T-1000, article. Last part about The Lord Of The Rings got me laughing pretty good.

I agree that beeing a master in producing doesn't mean one or the other when it comes to creativity, and creativity is a diffuse word so it's hard to really make valid points on who's creative or not. Saying one is too focused on production technology, doesn't mean that it's not room for creativity in that field. Perhaps this is just from a melodical point of view? Not sure if i got all the arguments correct.

Don't think everyone will agree that creativity can't be thought though. I'm sure alot study art here and knows more than me, but it's alot about learning to "express" yourself. Perhaps it's there all along, but that doesn't mean it will ever see the open.

I honestly disagree with Ishkur on the whole lack of creativity. While most of BT's dance music does feel lacking (aside from Flaming June and a few others) in creativity, his rock music, experimental stuff, and orchestral compositions have by and large hit home for me. He may not be able to churn out the hooks like others, but he certainly can put them out enough that I enjoy his music.

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Originally posted by WardC "This Binary Universe" is definately not to be pigeonholed as trance

No shit?

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Originally posted by montana sean cusick already this 3(?) years ago for his column on xpander.nl, and he did it better.

http://www.365mag.com/index.php?pg=...+Music+Magazine

here, read this people.

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Originally posted by thoughtlessjex He may not be able to churn out the hooks like others

The question is: is that even necessary?
The overall theme of a track does not necessarily have to be made up out of melodic hooks.

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Originally posted by TOR The question is: is that even necessary? The overall theme of a track does not necessarily have to be made up out of melodic hooks.

Exactly. If melodic hooks were the only thing important we should only be listening to catchy 3 minute pop songs (not that there's anything wrong with catchy 3 minute pop songs).

Re: BT, as seen by Ishkur

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Originally posted by julien2 BT: Artist Audit

I couldn't agree him more

blah blah blah, a mile long introduction trying to sound smart before he gets to any kind of claim, followed by a bunch of unfunny similes (see: ...Electronic music had exploded all over the mainstream like Peter North poolside with three eager girls.) learn to write.

The Antikythera Mechanism owns you all.

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Originally posted by montana http://www.365mag.com/index.php?pg=...+Music+Magazine here, read this people.

This sounds like it was written by one of those automatic complaint generators. There is no coherent point to it whatsoever.

i find it pretty coherent kent. granted, you broke your artictle heavily and his was just in a column form. But the point is, he did what you did 5 years before, difference being, yours was to show why and how bt is boring where as cusick's column was about why bt is pointlessly shit.

now, i don't rate either piece above it, i like bt's stuff, and i still consider IMA pretty groundbreaking in terms of levels of production in trance at the time, just compare the levels on pvd's 45 rpm album and IMA and you find a remarkable difference. ye

I'd kill myself too if my last name was...TRANSEAU!!!

what's special about ishkur?

album is definitly not that bad. Okay maybe.

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Originally posted by Ishkur This sounds like it was written by one of those automatic complaint generators. There is no coherent point to it whatsoever.

You must not have read the whole thing. It's brilliant. He even manages to tie in Bush.

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Originally posted by cmay119 I agree and disagree on a lot of parts. It was a very good read however, and some of the parts were damn funny as well.

Same here... BT is very creative, but I think he fails when it comes to live sets. He's not into the music, and it's like canned garbage.

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Originally posted by Clovis You must not have read the whole thing. It's brilliant. He even manages to tie in Bush.

Oh, I get it. He's babbling a whole bunch of nonsense to prove a point, right?

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Originally posted by Clovis You must not have read the whole thing. It's brilliant. He even manages to tie in Bush.

I couldn't read everything either but his negativity and bitch complaining just got boring. Good points made though Emotional Technology was a piece of crap indeed.

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Originally posted by Ishkur Oh, I get it. He's babbling a whole bunch of nonsense to prove a point, right?

As opposed to your amazingly concise and well structured rants?

He's not trying to prove a point, something you obviously missed...

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Originally posted by TOR The question is: is that even necessary? The overall theme of a track does not necessarily have to be made up out of melodic hooks.

There's something to be said for making compelling music, though. Do you admit to liking boring music, then?

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Originally posted by thoughtlessjex There's something to be said for making compelling music, though. Do you admit to liking boring music, then?

"Boring" is highly subjective, and so is "compelling".

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