Turkish Army attacks Northern Iraq

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Posted by CooLKiD on Oct-25-2007 06:13:

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer
I wonder where Turkey is getting all these high tech weaponry from?

Shit is really hitting the fan in that region sadly,and on top of all this we have the U.S playing the war drums on Iran.

Turkey has one of the best equipped army out there. They can pretty much own every single country in Europe. Their only weak side imo is Air Forces.

Posted by George Smiley on Oct-25-2007 09:14:

CoolKid, are they supposed to be pictures of Turkey in Iraq or just random pictures of Turkey's army? Cos to me they just look like soldiers in the desert!

EvilTree:

Here is the BBC's Middle East section: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mi...ast/default.stm

No mention of this incursion, indeed, the only story about Turkey/Kurds is under the title "Diplomats try to head off Turkish operation against Iraqi Kurds"

Also, the main story in the Europe section is "Iraqi delegates are heading to Ankara in an effort to avert attacks by Kurdish rebels over the Turkish border." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/default.stm

The story says "The Turkish military has already been carrying out attacks against Kurdish rebels near its border with Iraq"

Usually in these situations there's a reason why the main media corps don't touch these stories, because they don't report on rumours but wait until they are 100% sure this is actually happening.

It's quite possible that these attacks actually happened inside Turkey's borders and coupled with a military build up on Iraq's border some lesser respected media corps have come up with a "better" story...

Posted by George Smiley on Oct-25-2007 09:16:

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Originally posted by CooLKiD
Turkey has one of the best equipped army out there. They can pretty much own every single country in Europe. Their only weak side imo is Air Forces.

They can "own" every single country in Europe?!

I'm not sure what I find more hilarious, the fact you actually think that or the fact you used the word "own" as part of a serious argument!

Posted by The Arbiter on Oct-25-2007 09:34:

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Originally posted by George Smiley
They can "own" every single country in Europe?!

I'm not sure what I find more hilarious, the fact you actually think that or the fact you used the word "own" as part of a serious argument!

Yeah, almost every country in europe would 'own' Turkey. They are well equipped relative to the middle east, but not to the proffessional armies of the EU.

Posted by Capitalizt on Oct-25-2007 09:49:

awesome

Posted by George Smiley on Oct-25-2007 10:13:

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Originally posted by Capitalizt
awesome

Sad. Very sad (unless of course you're 9 then I'll forgive you!)

Posted by CooLKiD on Oct-25-2007 12:37:

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Originally posted by George Smiley
Sad. Very sad (unless of course you're 9 then I'll forgive you!)

You're from England? No wonder you're trying to troll.

I got those pictures from website and the pictures are taken all in different spots. Some by the border and some in Iraq.

Posted by The Arbiter on Oct-25-2007 12:46:

Posted by CooLKiD on Oct-25-2007 12:52:

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Originally posted by The Arbiter
Hold on...Did you just say he's a troll and it's no wonder because he's from England?

Say what you want but I'm not going to argue.

Posted by CooLKiD on Oct-25-2007 13:05:

Posted by The Arbiter on Oct-25-2007 13:13:

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Originally posted by CooLKiD
Say what you want but I'm not going to argue.

You're the one who claims if your English you're a troll. You can't say shit like that than realise your havnt even got the guts to follow your own bullshit through.

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Own as in having tje most advanced weapons.

They dont.

Posted by George Smiley on Oct-25-2007 13:36:

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Originally posted by CooLKiD
You're from England? No wonder you're trying to troll.

I got those pictures from website and the pictures are taken all in different spots. Some by the border and some in Iraq.

But we don't even know if Turkey has actually gone into Iraq yet, certainly the major news corps are not reporting it

Here's what's on CNN today: http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast...urds/index.html

Operations inside Turkey, no mention of incursions into Iraq

So it's a very valid point asking where those photos were taken because by the looks of it they were taken inside Turkey if they are from current operations, but the media that is reporting is perhaps trying to make out that they are actually inside Iraq (or they are may be mistaken into thinking that)

Let's face it, the reports that Turkey went into Iraq are all based on an "anonymous official" which should start alarm bells ringing right away as to the authenticity of these reports

I'm not saying they are definately wrong, but usually in these circumstances there is a reason why the main media corps don't touch the story...

As for your opinions about Turkey's military strength, they certainly do have one of the world's most powerful militaries, but your comparison with other European militaries is wrong. Turkey does not have anywhere near a more powerful military than the UK, France, Italy or Germany. Its more on a par with the Spanish military and it certainly doesn't have the most sophisticated technology in Europe as it doesn't even have nukes which 2 countries in Europe do (UK/France)

Posted by Krypton on Oct-25-2007 20:47:

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Originally posted by George Smiley
But we don't even know if Turkey has actually gone into Iraq yet, certainly the major news corps are not reporting it

Here's what's on CNN today: http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast...urds/index.html

Operations inside Turkey, no mention of incursions into Iraq

So it's a very valid point asking where those photos were taken because by the looks of it they were taken inside Turkey if they are from current operations, but the media that is reporting is perhaps trying to make out that they are actually inside Iraq (or they are may be mistaken into thinking that)

Let's face it, the reports that Turkey went into Iraq are all based on an "anonymous official" which should start alarm bells ringing right away as to the authenticity of these reports

I'm not saying they are definately wrong, but usually in these circumstances there is a reason why the main media corps don't touch the story...

As for your opinions about Turkey's military strength, they certainly do have one of the world's most powerful militaries, but your comparison with other European militaries is wrong. Turkey does not have anywhere near a more powerful military than the UK, France, Italy or Germany. Its more on a par with the Spanish military and it certainly doesn't have the most sophisticated technology in Europe as it doesn't even have nukes which 2 countries in Europe do (UK/France)

Agreed as of now. I've not seen anything in the media saying Turkey's conventional ground forces have crossed the border. Just airstrikes and probably commando-type stuff they don't tell you about.

Posted by nchs09 on Oct-26-2007 04:13:

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Originally posted by CooLKiD
Turkish choppers, F-16s,artillery batteries strike pkk camps in North of Iraq since 3 days.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=04c_1193273604

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e5b_1193234077
thanks for posting the second video, the first video was alot of meh.

anyhow yes the turkish army does look bad ass and well equipped , but remember the Us has a bad ass and very well equipped army and they have been unsuccesful in iraq. i dont know why this operation is going to be any different.... anyone think it will?

Posted by Fir3start3r on Oct-26-2007 05:49:

Well shite...now I have to read all about Turkey...

I do know that their stance on 'terrorism' is pretty strong and their army well...definitely nothing to sneeze at that's for sure...

quote:

Air force personnel 63,000 [8th of 49]
Armed forces growth -3 [79th of 132]
Armed forces personnel 610,000 [7th of 166]
Army personnel 525,000 [4th of 49]
Conventional arms exports $18,000,000.00 [28th of 40]
Expenditures > Dollar figure $8,100,000,000.00 [16th of 170]
Forces in Europe > Aircraft 358 [8th of 24]
Forces in Europe > Battle Tanks 2,317 [5th of 24]
Navy personnel 51,000 [8th of 49]
Weapon holdings 10,049,000 [9th of 137]

>>Source<<

And the painting job on the military plane is awesome...

Posted by George Smiley on Oct-26-2007 08:25:

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r
>>Source<<

We haven't got ANY aircraft! Yet according to that source we have 52,540 airforce personnel! What the fuck are they doing if we don't have any aircraft?!

We haven't even got any tanks! Even fucking Armenia has some bloody tanks!

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/m...pe-battle-tanks

Yet apparently we're the second biggest military spenders in the world! Either we have the biggest navy in the world or our soldiers are paid too bloody much!

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/m...ute-figures-usd

Posted by Fir3start3r on Oct-26-2007 20:28:

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Originally posted by George Smiley
We haven't got ANY aircraft! Yet according to that source we have 52,540 airforce personnel! What the fuck are they doing if we don't have any aircraft?!

We haven't even got any tanks! Even fucking Armenia has some bloody tanks!

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/m...pe-battle-tanks

Yet apparently we're the second biggest military spenders in the world! Either we have the biggest navy in the world or our soldiers are paid too bloody much!

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/m...ute-figures-usd

Apparently the UK is 'exempt' from the stats.

Or you just don't register...

[edit] click on the map tab and you'll see UK isn't even colour coded...

Posted by Magnetonium on Oct-26-2007 20:32:

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Apparently the UK is 'exempt' from the stats.

Or you just don't register...

[edit] click on the map tab and you'll see UK isn't even colour coded...

True, I know for sure than UK has at least 500 tanks. I've seen pics and videos somewhere.

#2. Ukraine: 3,784 tanks <<< WTF?

Posted by Fir3start3r on Oct-26-2007 20:35:

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Originally posted by Magnetonium

#2. Ukraine: 3,784 tanks <<< WTF?

...and how old are these tanks?

Posted by Marc Summers on Oct-26-2007 21:07:

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r
...and how old are these tanks?

lol, seriously

probably collecting dust in an old soviet-era bunker

Posted by Magnetonium on Oct-26-2007 22:02:

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r
...and how old are these tanks?

Ukraine doesnt even need tanks at all. Russians are not gonna take over, hahah. Its probably a total of all their Ukrainian tanks dating back to the breakup days, most of those gotta be the Soviet tanks, so yes quite old, hahah (I'd say 15-25 year old tanks).

Even worse, when Soviet Union was breaking up, some military was divided, and for good part the new republics received crappier share of military equipment.

Also, Ukraine doesnt really have the money to upkeep its "massive" tank collection.

So that shows that statistics are flawed - the number of tanks doesnt mean its better. Turkish have smaller tank forces but more modern ones, overall much better. So that statistics list shouldn't be taken seriously, its deeply flawed.

Posted by pmoisse on Oct-27-2007 14:44:

Isn't Turkey the 2nd largest buyer of US weapons, next to the Saudi's?

They have an interesting mix of American and Russian gear. I heard that they also buy Israeli stuff, from someone I would tend to believe, even though that sounds pretty far fetched.

I'm seeing a lot of this on the news here (we get 2 Turkish channels) and from what I can gather, there are boots on the ground in the north of Iraq. How many or how far south, I'm not sure.

BBC is also reporting the same.

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