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| Originally posted by Dr. DAS Why do I wait 30 minutes during (supposed) frequent service periods, and then three show up at once? Poor management. |
that makes me insanely mad!
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| Originally posted by Invasionmix I think that's a great idea, having one unified transit system, I haven't taken the transit in a while, but I hated how I had to pay two fares coming from Mississauga to Toronto. Hopefully the provincial government can run it a lot more efficiently, cause for the last few years the TTC has been going downhill, it looks dirtier and there was a couple fare hikes. I don't know what the hell Mel Lastman was thinking when he built that Sheppard line, that money would've been a lot more useful if they built a subway line to Square One, there are probably like 10 different buses that go from Square one to Islington, imagine how much more people would take the transit in Mississauga if it was a subway ride all the way downtown. Look how much traffic on the 401 and 403 in the morning coming from the West end. They should perhaps change the pricing system for the transit, I know a few transit systems such as the Hong Kong MTR charges by the stops you make. |
I love it when the TTC just completely drives past your stop w/out stopping even though you wave it down 
hhmmm...interesting rumour.
I'd like to the see the union go too. no offense, as I do respect the work that TTC employees, particularly drivers, do...but I've done mortgages for drivers who make 70k+/year with their OT and that's a *wee* bit silly for what amounts to unskilled labour.
so, if the province taking control? It relieves the city of a major financial burden...but also removes the control the city would have in terms of determine where to spend scarce resources. i.e. would Toronto residents suffer if the province chose to expand in the 905 at the expense of within the city? I don't know...
maybe it's easier to gain federal funding at the provincial level though? rather than having to get fed money flowing through the province, then down to the city? beats me.
all I know is that *something* has to change. whether it's spinning it off, giving it to the province or squeezing money from other levels of gov't...I don't know. The TTC is in a shambles right now.
Btw,
I overheard at 7/11 while buying cigs that TTC fares are going up next month or within the next few months. I haven't looked into the info or have any confirmed sources, but just a lil rumor...And, if this has been said, PLEASE, don't FAIL me....
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| Originally posted by SasH21 Btw, I overheard at 7/11 while buying cigs that TTC fares are going up next month or within the next few months. I haven't looked into the info or have any confirmed sources, but just a lil rumor...And, if this has been said, PLEASE, don't FAIL me.... |
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| Originally posted by exstasie They just raised the price of tokens a couple weeks ago I believe too. I heard rumors for ppl not to be suprised if it hits $3.00 per ride. |
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| Originally posted by SasH21 So, tokens are more expensive than tickets? I don't get it, what's the point lol? |
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| Originally posted by exstasie No no lol. Sorry, meant token & tickets (its the exact same thing). A normal fair is $2.75..but it worked out to like $2.20 if bought a 5/10 pack of tokens. It now costs more than $2.20 but still less than $2.75 |
RIPOFF! I mean it's still cheaper than a car, but soon it's going to cost the same...
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| Originally posted by SasH21 Lol ya.....I use TTC, so I buy 5 tickets/tokens for 10.50,so basically buy 4 get one free hehe, but I think it will be $3, which sux. That's $6 just to go to work or $5 if you buy in bulk, and what if you go somewhere else and use ttc multiply times... RIPOFF! I mean it's still cheaper than a car, but soon it's going to cost the same... |
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| Originally posted by exstasie That's why I drive everywhere I could care less if i'm polluting the environment. If they want me to start taking public transportation then they should make it reliable, affordable and practicable . All of which the TTC is NOT! |
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| Originally posted by exstasie That's why I drive everywhere I could care less if i'm polluting the environment. If they want me to start taking public transportation then they should make it reliable, affordable and practicable . All of which the TTC is NOT! |
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| Monthly Metropass breaks $100 barrier Regular customers of the Toronto Transit Commission have to pay a little extra for monthly Metropasses starting today. But, if an informal survey is any guide, loyal riders regard the fare hike mostly with resignation. The fare hike of $9.25 on the standard adult pass (to $109) is part of the TTC's strategy to relieve some of the deficit it expects next year. As of Nov. 4, the TTC will also raise prices on bulk purchases of tokens and tickets. Ian Wheal, 70, relies on the subway to get from his Cabbagetown home to the nature walks that he leads as a volunteer for Toronto Field Naturalists. This week, passes for seniors and students jump from $83.75 to $91.25. "I don't like it, but I've reluctantly accepted it as something that was going to happen. I don't really see any other way around it," he said. Mr. Wheal, who has been buying Metropasses for more than 12 years, said he will budget around the hike, but he feels sorry for "people on fixed incomes or the unemployed," adding there should also be "some sort of concession for seniors who have no income beyond their pensions." Other TTC riders, even those on a tight budget, said they weren't troubled by the extra nine dollars and change every month. Andrew Willmore, a medical student at the University of Toronto who uses the TTC to commute to school and postings at hospitals all across the city, joked that the money he spends on transit is nothing compared to the cost of education. "I'm already up to my eyeballs in debt, so it won't actually make much of a difference," he said, adding "at least there is some relief for students who get discounted passes." Mr. Wilmore said he doesn't mind paying more if it means better service. "If the money goes towards upkeeping service or keeping it where it is, that's great." Cuts to services would be worse than higher fares, agreed rider Peter Vradenburg, a TD Canada Trust manager. He also questioned whether the hikes were much different from other rising expenses. "I don't know if the costs going up are that much more than inflation," he said. "I think it reflects the cost of living." TTC spokeswoman Marilyn Bolton said raising the monthly pass to more than $100 was something the commission had put off for as long as possible. "Everything else has gone up. The cost of 10 tickets have gone up [and] cash fares," she said, pointing out the Metropass only went up by a dollar in 2006. "But you can't keep it frozen forever," she said. "We did it for as long as we could as a bonus to our frequent users." She said 70 per cent of the TTC's operating budget is raised by fares and the rest is subsidized by the city. A tougher appraisal came from TTC rider Leon Damonze, a lawyer and vice-president of Cirrus Tenant Lease Services, a lease management company. He said the TTC and the city should have foreseen and managed their deficits before making the public pay. "The City of Toronto could've found alternative ways to fund public transit without imposing a fare hike on riders," he said. "Had they properly managed their budget, they wouldn't be in this situation ... now they're imposing an unfair tax and they're imposing a fare hike. They've got all these people, accountants, lawyers. They should be vigilant and constantly alerting the city of financial shortfalls." |
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"She said 70 per cent of the TTC's operating budget is raised by fares and the rest is subsidized by the city."
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this is the kicker..
do a few searches on Google.. Toronto has one of the highest ratios in the world as far as what percentage of the operating budget is covered by ridership fares alone
ask where is the Government and alternate sources of funding?
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| Originally posted by exstasie No no lol. Sorry, meant token & tickets (its the exact same thing). A normal fair is $2.75..but it worked out to like $2.20 if bought a 5/10 pack of tokens. It now costs more than $2.20 but still less than $2.75 |
a little ripped off?
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How does Toronto stack up against other transit systems when it comes to making your money travel? Some of the following cities aren't quite as big as T.O., a factor to keep in mind as you look at the prices for a ticket to ride. And some charge differently for zones and the way they divide their respective routes. But Toronto wants you to remember that that the TTC is the only system in North America funded almost solely from the fare box. Here's a look at what others are paying for their version of "The Better Way". Canada Vancouver Adult cash fares: $2.25 for 1 zone; $3.25 for 2 zones; $45.0 for 3 zones Monthly pass: $69 for 1 zone; $95 for 2 zones, $130 for three zones Calgary Adult cash fares: $2.25 Monthly passes: $75 Edmonton Adult cash fare: $2.25 Monthly pass: $59 Regina Adult cash fare: $2.10 Monthly pass: $57 Winnipeg Adult cash fare: $2 Monthly pass: $71.25 London Adult cash fare: $2.50 Monthly Pass: $74 Ottawa Adult cash fare: $3 Monthly pass: $73 Montreal Adult cash fare: $2.75 Monthly pass: $65 Halifax Adult cash fare: $2 Monthly pass: $60 Fredericton Adult cash fare: $1.75 Monthly pass: $65 St. John's Adult cash fare: $2 Monthly pass: $63 United States New York City Adult cash fare: $2 Monthly Pass: $76 Los Angeles Adult cash fare: $1.25 Monthly Pass: $62 Miami Adult cash fare: $1.50 Monthly Pass: $75 Chicago Adult cash fare: $2 Monthly Pass: $75 Philadelphia Adult cash fare: $2 Monthly Pass: $78 |
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| Originally posted by Dr. DAS http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_16062.aspx No fail, just a C-. |
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| The TTC is the most efficient (service) in North America and Europe in industry-wide stats. |
O rly....
Sounds familiar to me?
Am I smelling some skillton action......
I love TTC, but it sucks in the morning!
thank god for York's discounted metro pass! otherwise I'd be buying batches of tickets to keep my going
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| Originally posted by dEsidEL a little ripped off? |
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| Originally posted by Dr. DAS http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_16062.aspx No fail, just a C-. |
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| Originally posted by exstasie HOw did I fail? Tickets/Tokens are the same (except if you're talking about student tickets, which I wasn't). Regular fair is $2.75 while tokens/tickets come to $2.25 if bought in 10. $2.25 > $2.20 |
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| Originally posted by exstasie That's why I drive everywhere I could care less if i'm polluting the environment. If they want me to start taking public transportation then they should make it reliable, affordable and practicable . All of which the TTC is NOT! |
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| Originally posted by exstasie HOw did I fail? Tickets/Tokens are the same (except if you're talking about student tickets, which I wasn't). Regular fair is $2.75 while tokens/tickets come to $2.25 if bought in 10. $2.25 > $2.20 |
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