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Originally posted by Spirit5 Sorry, to save him is simple...turn him to stuff that is similar but (subjective) "better" even though it still might be considered "cheese" and Ian did it with Anjunabeats and Armada. I would take any release from them any day over Jessy, Lasgo, DJ Sammy, Groove Coverage and Candee Jay and all that crap. I think it's silly turning him to quite different stuff that isn't quite melodic ya know.

what does melodic have to do with any of it? everything has a melody.

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Originally posted by Ishkur then why the back-handed compliment?

Stop trying so hard.

i'd suggest going to beatport.com, maybe get an account there and start listening to what's popular. Also, just because it's popular doesn't mean it's great. We live in an age where talented people can actually afford making music (it's still damn expensive though) these days, and there are tons, and tons of hidden gems out there. You just gotta dig.

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Originally posted by LoveHate what does melodic have to do with any of it? everything has a melody.

Uh not really. There's a lot of dance music, particularly techno or breaks or the like...where there really isn't a melody or an apparent one (there's always melodic forms of these but you won't always hear those on the dancefloor). To say everything has a melody is quite stupid, because clearly there is music out there that either lacks melody or where melody is unimportant (more rhythmic, beat based dance music). Trance has been known as a more melodic form of dance music, up there with happy hardcore, house and euro-dance, but there is plenty of trance that also lacks one or where it's not as important.

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Originally posted by Ishkur then why the back-handed compliment?

You are an idiot sometimes.

Dance 2 Trance
Jam & Spoon
...er, post Turbo-B Snap!


Just return to the source.

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Originally posted by Sykonee Dance 2 Trance Jam & Spoon ...er, post Turbo-B Snap! Just return to the source.

And forget thousands of other trance artists since....

Silliness, stop living in the past all of the time. That music was great but trance is still a genre and there is still plenty of other..newer trance artists out there. You guys are constantly living in nostalgia and not living in reality. That was 1991, 1992, 1993...this is 2007. Will you still be like that in 2010? 2013? "Oh the trance from 20 years ago was great and everything since sucks and or is not even trance". That line is so predictable it's not even funny.

I'm sure if you looked hard enough, you could find some modern stuff that you might like. You have to do some digging...amidst all of the fluff and cheese on Beatport or on a vinyl shop. Look at J00F records or even some of the labels you guys hate that might have some decent releases.

Frankly Dance 2 Trance and Jam & Spoon's music isn't THAT different from some other melodic trance out there (it just didn't make use of huge breakdowns, but still used repeated melodies throughout that builds and builds with minor breakdowns). And "Age Of Love" is kind of boring IMO. Other than some remixes, I can't see that track as being this "OMG amazing!" type of track. I'm not saying it sucks, it's just not the most amazing piece of trance out there.

Naah, easy there.
I think it was more about "knowing the roots" than "ignoring the present". It's good to have perspective you know.

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Originally posted by Whirloop Naah, easy there. I think it was more about "knowing the roots" than "ignoring the present". It's good to have perspective you know.

I know but it's become the norm on here by some of you guys to write off anything new as being inferior to the old stuff. I'm not saying the new stuff is better (quite the contrary) but to keep going back to the same artists from the early 90s and not look at the later ones from the later 90s and early 00s and even today is kind of nieve...what about these guys...


Allure
BBE
BT
Chicane
Cygnus X
DJ Tandu (Ayla)
Ferry Corsten (System F, Pulp Victim)
Goldenscan
Humate
Kamaya Painters
Lange
Laurent Verronez (Airwave, Fire & Ice, Lolo)
Lustral
Michael Woods
Micro de Govia
Mike Koglin
Nalin & Kane
Paul van Dyk
Push/MIKE
Pulser
Quiver
Ralph Barendse (Midway, Alpha Breed)
Salt Tank
Signum
Simon Berry (Art Of Trance)
Solar Stone
Steve Gibbs (Altitude)
Steve Helstrip (Thrillseekers, Rapid Eye etc)
Taucher
Tekara
Three Drives
Tilt
Torsten Stenzel (York)
Transa
Vimana
Vincent de Moore
Yahel

the list goes on...there's so many that people ignore simply because they don't like them or they aren't from the early 90s..sound identical. Trance artists shouldn't all sound the same. And these guys don't all sound the same or sound just like "Age Of Love". I can guarantee you, if all tracks sounded like that..they would sound all the same and be a snoozefest.

Some of these guys have done a lot more for trance IMO than the really old stuff...why you ask? Because some of them are still active in the scene, producing new stuff. Some have evolved, gone mainstream..gotten away from their roots, but they are more influential to what trance has become, not what it was early on. They are the Bill Gates and Steve Jobs, to whoever was the creator of the first computer (I have no idea and I doubt that many people who aren't the biggest techies know). They didn't invent the computer, but they are certainly most influential to it's development.

*sigh*
SpiritV, you're getting a bit unnecessarily worked up there. If you insist on some newer names...

Olien
Cliff Coenraad (Mulika)
John O'Callaghan
Stephen J. Kroos


And why should we have to keep referring to the late 90s era? It gets tons of attention everywhere else. The big producers from then dominate polls and topics. The big tunes are on damned near every 'trance classics' compilation these days. Anyone with an ounce of acuity will come across them time and time again.

The reason you see more reference to the older stuff here is because it IS often overlooked by the new cats since it doesn't get much attention from the majors anymore.

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Originally posted by Sykonee *sigh* SpiritV, you're getting a bit unnecessarily worked up there. If you insist on some newer names... Olien Cliff Coenraad (Mulika) John O'Callaghan Stephen J. Kroos And why should we have to keep referring to the late 90s era? It gets tons of attention everywhere else. The big producers from then dominate polls and topics. The big tunes are on damned near every 'trance classics' compilation these days. Anyone with an ounce of acuity will come across them time and time again. The reason you see more reference to the older stuff here is because it IS often overlooked by the new cats since it doesn't get much attention from the majors anymore.

That's fine but it's becoming the new nostalgia about the late 90s..now it's the early 90s..going back further when some people like myself hadn't even heard of trance (because we were too busy playing outside). There's too much focus on the past and not what could be good in the present or who were the real influences to what we like. You might be influenced or like the real early stuff better, but believe me, I didn't get into trance because of them. I got into trance largely because of these guys..and add Robert Miles to the list. Sure his early stuff might be "cheese" but "Children" is one of the most influential dance tracks from that era even if it might be considered cheesy and over-played now.

Try http://www.discogs.com/release/303472 (whole series not just first one)
Thats a pretty good trance compilation with some more poppy stuff too.

Oh yes and when you get bored of that check out Goa trance (tbh that compilation series was where i started... especially if you like the earlier ones like dream dance 1 and 2)

Generally compilations are a good way to start. Don't forget if they start becoming crap later (or earlier) on in the series... well just find another similar.

Labels on discogs can be good too.

Oh yes and don't forget to check out DJ mixes
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=429030&forumid=73&s=
This guys got a ton so it's good for checking out genres... tbh I didn't like his goa mix much though. As with anything... if you didn't like it then try the genre out again some time(could just be bad mix or songs)... and if you did like it then that's something new you like.

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However, you can save yourself a lot of time if you just go straight to House instead...

That's a great idea. Bypass all the good stuff and go straight to trash.

P.S. The notion that "house" is some sort of "advancement" upgrade exists solely in your own perception. I know quite a few people who started out with house before moving on to trance.

Let me guess, your next step of advancement is country!

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Originally posted by woscar99 However, you can save yourself a lot of time if you just go straight to House instead...

Probably the original-poster's first mistake was asking this forum for "help"...

Of course, some of the comments here are gems; others are a steaming piles of bogus ego-strokers. Of course, others will have different opinions, so I won't name any names.

Squabbles that hijack threads are amazingly fun to watch though. The thread goes to boarderline anarchy while the newbie-guy runs for his life; never to be seen again in the thread... Quality in the making... kind-of like a Sit-Com for the psychologically disturbed (I need popcorn).

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Originally posted by Sykonee John O'Callaghan

Impressive that you mentioned the most boring and uninspiring producer of the moment.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 Impressive that you mentioned the most boring and uninspiring producer of the moment.

What can I say? Everyone needs a guilty pleasure.

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