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just watched this movie, the religion part should be in a different movie. The only way it fits in is suggesting that the common man has been lied to for the last couple millenniums.

Dont know if anyone caught CNN a few weeks back when Vice President Dick Chaney was up for impeachment. Supposedly there may be another 911 in the mix to allow us to go to war with Iran. He is a large shareholder of halliburton the defense contractor/oil services company.

Its unclear how much of 911 conspiracy is true or just conspiracy, however the explosions on lower floors seem to be legitimate along with firefighter testimonies.

look up the bilderberg conference it will blow your mind, many americans are finally noticing what is going on. what does everyone think of plans for the North American Union in 2010?

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Originally posted by emonster4life what does everyone think of plans for the North American Union in 2010?

i think i saw diginut once write that at least it will land us some half-decent cell phone plans for once

but seriously, i'm not too worried about it.. it might seem like we're at some sort of stable present, but changes like this in the world have always happened are bound to happen again... as much as i dislike the US government, i'm just as sceptical about the intentions of the powerful groups/politicians that are against having this happen.. but this cynicism and skepticism is also why i never vote or get too involved in politics :S

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Originally posted by zokissima ... as far as I can see, the entire argument, from all three subsections of the film, can be argued from many different perspectives, both pro and con.

Thanks Einstein...

The sitting-on-the-fence statement posted above is about as weak as calling it "leftist propaganda" (both statements have about the same value...).

I have seen the movie. There are very good reasons for calling this film leftist/conspiracy-theorist propaganda. Any story can be woven into what looks like the truth so long as enough "facts" are salted here and there and certain commonalities are brought to light. This does not mean the story is true and nor does it mean the story has true meaning or real importance (as presented).

I'll happily dig into the movie - but only when I have enough time to properly present things and actually respond (which is not now)... Many of the facts are not debatable - however the conclusions the film attempts to draw the viewer into are. If anything the film makers are clever storytellers with an (obvious) intent.

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Originally posted by DaRoZa changes like this in the world have always happened are bound to happen again

this comment reminded me of these guys:

- the Roman Empire (West/ East)
- the Spanish Empire
- the Ottoman Empire
- Chinese Ch'ing dynasty
- the British Empire
- the Soviet Empire

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker The sitting-on-the-fence statement posted above is about as weak as calling it "leftist propaganda"

I disagree.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker Thanks Einstein... The sitting-on-the-fence statement posted above is about as weak as calling it "leftist propaganda" (both statements have about the same value...).

lol, totally true on that one, we both equally jumped in with a less-than-stellar opening statement

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I have seen the movie. There are very good reasons for calling this film leftist/conspiracy-theorist propaganda. Any story can be woven into what looks like the truth so long as enough "facts" are salted here and there and certain commonalities are brought to light. This does not mean the story is true and nor does it mean the story has true meaning or real importance (as presented).

What I find interesting is what you just described. Sowing facts is something all factions in all human history do. I am definitely not implying that we should all disband into wild packs of conspiracy theorists. I'm merely objectively looking at both sides, with no particular angst towards each.

I'm just interested in learning more about the fact that everyone, every political unity, relies on their own 'truthful' propaganda, but to different degrees of extremity.

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Originally posted by Swamper the last part (monetary policy/world bank) is the most important... the 911 part is full of flaws and debunked theories

you're 'debunked' del...

but seriously, didn't investigate into those theories before posting

it's a good movie in that it introduces people to 2 important parts (relgion, central banks) - I exclude 911 because those theories have been debunked.

there are better movies however go into more detail on these topics. hpoefully zeitgeist stirs up enough curiosty in people to look them up... if anyone is interested here are some good ones...

The Money Masters can be found at [[ LINK REMOVED ]]


Here's part 1 of "The God Who Wasn't There", the rest you can find on your own. http://crackle.com/c/Movies_and_TV/...184495%26o%3D12

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Originally posted by Dr Satan it's a good movie in that it introduces people to 2 important parts (relgion, central banks) - I exclude 911 because those theories have been debunked. there are better movies however go into more detail on these topics. hpoefully zeitgeist stirs up enough curiosty in people to look them up... if anyone is interested here are some good ones... The Money Masters can be found at [[ LINK REMOVED ]] Here's part 1 of "The God Who Wasn't There", the rest you can find on your own. http://crackle.com/c/Movies_and_TV/...184495%26o%3D12

debunked? prove it of STFU

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Originally posted by emonster4life debunked? prove it of STFU

most have been debunked ... there are enough videos on that ... the whole 911 conspiracy in itself is unrealistic in that it requires a lot of people to be in colusion... and its remarkable they've stayed silent up until now.... now if you have stuff that would convince me otherwise provide it to me instead of being rude.

also part 1 and 3 of zeitgeist impact your life a lot more then 911. in fact if you believe in the 911 conspiracy you should think part 1 and 3 would be driving forces behind it.

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Originally posted by Dr Satan it's a good movie in that it introduces people to 2 important parts (relgion, central banks) - I exclude 911 because those theories have been debunked. there are better movies however go into more detail on these topics. hpoefully zeitgeist stirs up enough curiosty in people to look them up... if anyone is interested here are some good ones... The Money Masters can be found at [[ LINK REMOVED ]] Here's part 1 of "The God Who Wasn't There", the rest you can find on your own. http://crackle.com/c/Movies_and_TV/...184495%26o%3D12

i wont believe its debunked until i see it with my own eyes

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Originally posted by Dr Satan also part 1 and 3 of zeitgeist impact your life a lot more then 911. in fact if you believe in the 911 conspiracy you should think part 1 and 3 would be driving forces behind it.

Yeah exactly, which is why I find it strange that the 911 theories have been 'debunked'. There really is a lot of evidence to suggest either scenario. Ultimately, whatever you chose to believe, I think most who really look at the entirety of the evidence, including the Osama Bin Laden links and whatnot can see that there are some fairly obvious holes in the entire "terrorist" scenario presented as final word.

This movie is my new religion.

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Originally posted by zokissima I think most who really look at the entirety of the evidence, including the Osama Bin Laden links and whatnot can see that there are some fairly obvious holes in the entire "terrorist" scenario presented as final word.

Sure, but on the same token I don't want to underestimate the current global disgust/frustration with the U.S/Bush Administration/American Imperialism. When people's backs are up against the wall, anything is possible. Especially if we think in terms of desperation coupled with relgious zeal.

IE: Terrorists are real & motivated. lol

What doesn't help to add credibility to the "terrorist scenario" was Bush's urgency to connect the dots between Al Quaeda & Iraq. There are so many lies around the issue it makes it nearly impossible for me to believe anything as truth anymore.

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Originally posted by Dr Satan most have been debunked ... there are enough videos on that

Say for example, the 9/11 conspiracy theory surrounding the "cutting" of the pillars is debunked. Just because 1 theory is proven to be innacurate and because I personally can't explain to you the science behind how it could be done, that doesn't rule out the whole hypothesis.

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Originally posted by Dr Satan the whole 911 conspiracy in itself is unrealistic in that it requires a lot of people to be in colusion...

It is a good point, Aaron brought it up earlier as well. I do find it hard to believe that there wouldn't be an FBI "whistle blower" AT SOME POINT. Although in saying that collusion can be a funny thing, again, ask 1935 Germany.

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Originally posted by DigiNut If there are any parts of the WTC 7 "smoking gun" that this page doesn't thoroughly debunk, please feel free to point them out.

Saying "smoking gun" is my biggest regret in this thread, I should have kept it at "eye opener".

remembered this video the other day, reminded me of this thread...

I found that the section on religion isn't as impressive upon a second viewing.

I hate when they make movies this extreme because there is some great info in it but a lot of people won't take it seriously because t has some out there theories about religion right at the beginning. I like "Freedom to Fascism" better.

9/11 conspiracy theorists = retards
it was done by a bunch of muslim extremist that didnt like the American way of life.
get over it.

How do you know for sure?

Do you know what "Operation Northwoods" is?

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Originally posted by SniFFleS How do you know for sure? Do you know what "Operation Northwoods" is?

theres no official record of it.
and if it did exist, im pretty sure kennedy would reject it.
its an urban legend.
a myth.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/2.../northwoods.pdf

like i said, theres no offical record of it.
i can show u a document made up like that one stating that ur moms a whore. would u believe it just because it looks all old and fancy?

and another thing.
movies like Zeitgeist and Loose Change, dont u think these movies would be taken off the internet by the US gov if 9/11 was an inside job?
these video were made by rich suburban kids who wanna be different from thier mommys and daddys.
9/11 conspiracy theorists are just as bad as holocaust deniers

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Originally posted by Minhaj 9/11 conspiracy theorists are just as bad as holocaust deniers

...annnnd you just shot yourself in the leg.

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Originally posted by jon jon remembered this video the other day, reminded me of this thread...

Todd McFarlane kicks ass... so do Pearl Jam.

Remember being so excited to hear they were working together....especially after PJ's hiatus from videos.

Nice blast from the past.

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Originally posted by cenik I found that the section on religion isn't as impressive upon a second viewing.

I found the entire thing isn't remotely impressive after some research, analytical thought, and a second more scrutinizing viewing.


"They must find it difficult....Those who have taken authority as the truth rather than truth as the authority..." DUN DUN DUN DUUUUNNNNN!!!!!!

HOLY CHEESE.

that 'documentary' lays it on pretty thick.

Though it did 'get me' the first time I saw it when Geroin originally posted it months back.

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