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MisterOpus1,

You are the most vulgar individual I have ever encountered. Every sentence of yours has to have the word " Fuck, Fucking, Twit, Troll" come on expand your vocabulary. Leaving this low type of behavior aside...

Come on MisterOpus1, you can claim all you want but you have shown your true colors. Its like they say in spanish " eres un americano arrepentido" in english " you repent in being an american" i hope that i translated that right. I mean Opus, why be in America and promote assisantions of the iraqi people and our soldiers and try to denigrate their advancements in irar. I mean i understand that you are resentful for being an american but Opus why not go to Iran and Syria or PK with your boys... hey youll fit well all they do is promote propaganda which aims to hurt America

I could careless if you know people that fought a war against aliens. Why havent you ever volunteered and follow the humble footsteps of those you know that have fought for the american flag? I forgot is that you are resentful for being an american

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Originally posted by LatinLover MisterOpus1, You are the most vulgar individual I have ever encountered. Every sentence of yours has to have the word " Fuck, Fucking, Twit, Troll" come on expand your vocabulary. Leaving this low type of behavior aside... Come on MisterOpus1, you can claim all you want but you have shown your true colors. Its like they say in spanish " eres un americano arrepentido" in english " you repent in being an american" i hope that i translated that right. I mean Opus, why be in America and promote assisantions of the iraqi people and our soldiers and try to denigrate their advancements in irar. I mean i understand that you are resentful for being an american but Opus why not go to Iran and Syria or PK with your boys... hey youll fit well all they do is promote propaganda which aims to hurt America I could careless if you know people that fought a war against aliens. Why havent you ever volunteered and follow the humble footsteps of those you know that have fought for the american flag? I forgot is that you are resentful for being an american

This is the same shit you got banned for in the Florida forum..

Opus calls you a troll, because you are.

LatinLover and MisterOpus, will you both add one another to your respective ignore lists?

I haven't had the time to write the pm's I wanted, but this should've become common sense by now.

Seriously, I'm not going to ban LatinLover in this thread because he's attacking MisterOpus: MisterOpus is, after all, adding fuel to the fire. If you know he's not going to say anything about his sources (or lack thereof), just ignore him, poking him won't do any good.

Now, as much as I agree with MisterOpus' view, I can not take such biased decision and ban only LatinLover: do you guys not like him? Ignore him. If I even think of banning LatinLover for his argumenta ad hominem, I'd have to ban MisterOpus as well. I don't think this is necessary.

Should this happen just one more time, I'm banning both LatinLover and whoever happens to be arguing with him (unless it's Neo or Swamper, for technical reasons )

Opus, just ignore him, so none of us have to see his responses from others who respond to him..

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Originally posted by LatinLover MisterOpus1, You are the most vulgar individual I have ever encountered. Every sentence of yours has to have the word " Fuck, Fucking, Twit, Troll" come on expand your vocabulary. Leaving this low type of behavior aside...

Of all the people in the world to lecture us on vocabulary.....

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Come on MisterOpus1, you can claim all you want but you have shown your true colors. Its like they say in spanish " eres un americano arrepentido" in english " you repent in being an american" i hope that i translated that right. I mean Opus, why be in America and promote assisantions of the iraqi people and our soldiers and try to denigrate their advancements in irar.

Demonstrate exactly where I have done this. Enough with your bullshit slander.

Do you have any supporting evidence to counter my arguments made in my original post, or will you continue to try to derail this thread?

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I mean i understand that you are resentful for being an american but Opus why not go to Iran and Syria or PK with your boys...

One tends to think with your blind allegiance to your President and somehow equating disagreeing with his policies is somehow being anti-American that it is you that would fit right in with those countries.

You're not helping yourself, but by all means continue.

In the meantime, do you have any supporting evidence to counter my arguments made in my original post, or will you continue to try to derail this thread?

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hey youll fit well all they do is promote propaganda which aims to hurt America

Bush is not America, Arnold.

Being against his policies that sent our troops to war is not being against America, Arnold.

And do you have any supporting evidence to counter my arguments made in my original post, or will you continue to try to derail this thread?

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I could careless if you know people that fought a war against aliens. Why havent you ever volunteered and follow the humble footsteps of those you know that have fought for the american flag?

Arnold, I don't volunteer for causes I do not support.

Say that line again out loud, just to make sure you understand.

This is beyond pathetic. You refuse to join up yourself, then question someone like me who doesn't support your idiot President's foreign policies why I haven't joined.

This is your logic?

And do you have any supporting evidence to counter my arguments made in my original post, or will you continue to try to derail this thread?

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I forgot is that you are resentful for being an american

Arnold, you've incited enough from me. I told you to enjoy it while you could yesterday. It's gone, so the attention being paid to you is back down to asking you a very simple question that you continually dodge:

Do you have any supporting evidence to counter my arguments made in my original post, or will you continue to try to derail this thread?

Answer the question, Arnold.

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Originally posted by Lira LatinLover and MisterOpus, will you both add one another to your respective ignore lists? I haven't had the time to write the pm's I wanted, but this should've become common sense by now. Seriously, I'm not going to ban LatinLover in this thread because he's attacking MisterOpus: MisterOpus is, after all, adding fuel to the fire. If you know he's not going to say anything about his sources (or lack thereof), just ignore him, poking him won't do any good. Now, as much as I agree with MisterOpus' view, I can not take such biased decision and ban only LatinLover: do you guys not like him? Ignore him. If I even think of banning LatinLover for his argumenta ad hominem, I'd have to ban MisterOpus as well. I don't think this is necessary. Should this happen just one more time, I'm banning both LatinLover and whoever happens to be arguing with him (unless it's Neo or Swamper, for technical reasons )

Sorry, Lira. I took his slander and ad hominem attacks long enough. I'll admit I hit my threshold. Because of your post here, I will change my last post and take out any possible ad hominems against our friend.

I will not, however, ignore him at this point, unless you give me no choice. I think in most ways he's done a much better job exposing himself than I ever could. In many respects this is the warning I was hoping to see from you. Rest assured, however, that the ad hominems on my end are done. I have the aching feeling, though, that you will likely see them soon from our friend Arnoldj/LatinLover, considering his shady past here at TA.

Again, apologies on my end.

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Originally posted by LatinLover MisterOpus1, You are the most vulgar individual I have ever encountered. Every sentence of yours has to have the word " Fuck, Fucking, Twit, Troll" come on expand your vocabulary. Leaving this low type of behavior aside... Come on MisterOpus1, you can claim all you want but you have shown your true colors. Its like they say in spanish " eres un americano arrepentido" in english " you repent in being an american" i hope that i translated that right. I mean Opus, why be in America and promote assisantions of the iraqi people and our soldiers and try to denigrate their advancements in irar. I mean i understand that you are resentful for being an american but Opus why not go to Iran and Syria or PK with your boys... hey youll fit well all they do is promote propaganda which aims to hurt America I could careless if you know people that fought a war against aliens. Why havent you ever volunteered and follow the humble footsteps of those you know that have fought for the american flag? I forgot is that you are resentful for being an american

Seriously, can you just die? You're sheepishness is nothing like being an American. It's utterly appalling that you question Opus's patriotism. I hate pretty much all of Q's opinions, but at least I understand where he comes from because he rationalizes them. That's the way you should be looking at Opus's posts, you twit.

As for Lira's comment: Why don't you just ban Latinlover? You'd pretty much have to tell all of us to put him on Ignore because he pisses all of us off. If that's the case, what's the point of having him around? He doesn't even try to have a civilized conversation and all that he does is spam pre-spun news stories. How many times does he need to be banned to permanently get rid of him?

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Why don't you just ban Latinlover? You'd pretty much have to tell all of us to put him on Ignore because he pisses all of us off. If that's the case, what's the point of having him around? He doesn't even try to have a civilized conversation and all that he does is spam pre-spun news stories. How many times does he need to be banned to permanently get rid of him?

Simply put, it would be wrong to ban someone just because everyone else seems to disagree with him and/or dislike him (or his posts, for that matter). We've had a poll about it actually, remember? Twice. And, like I said, I could consider banning him if the attacks were unilateral, but they aren't.

Not every poster behaves the way we'd like them to: There are offensive deviants and just "impolite" deviants, so to speak. I'm here to ban the offensive ones. As for those who are "impolite", and don't conform to social rules imposed by the community... well, we should learn how to deal with them, rather than just kicking them and waiting for them to come back every trimester or so.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN that may be true, however it should still be a part of the debate and also considered in future policy. most of the stuff available says "surge = less violence" and why that might be true, leaving out such important exceptions to that equation reeks of politics to me.

I completely agree.

Atributing the decrease in violence to a surge in troops is a nasty precendent to set when there are clearly more factors working on both sides of this conflict then mere numbers of boots (or sandals) involved in the fighting.

The importance of understanding the draw down is not just establishing that it happened but also getting a valid picture of what forces cut the casualties. Adding any kind of political spin to this debate is a dangerous thing to do and any mistakes that are made will be paid for with the lives of soilders in the futre.

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Originally posted by Lira Simply put, it would be wrong to ban someone just because everyone else seems to disagree with him and/or dislike him (or his posts, for that matter). We've had a poll about it actually, remember? Twice. And, like I said, I could consider banning him if the attacks were unilateral, but they aren't. Not every poster behaves the way we'd like them to: There are offensive deviants and just "impolite" deviants, so to speak. I'm here to ban the offensive ones. As for those who are "impolite", and don't conform to social rules imposed by the community... well, we should learn how to deal with them, rather than just kicking them and waiting for them to come back every trimester or so.

Agreed. Although I would submit that our friend had continued with his ad hominem attacks and outright slanders after the second poll. I had finally chimed in return with a personal attack, admittedly to gain attention to the issue. For better or for worse, the attention was given. In retrospect I probably should have PMed you instead when those moments occurred. I won't ever claim I do things in the most appropriate and/or efficient manner.

This is neither here nor there, however, and like I mentioned previously I fully agree with you giving fair warning to us all. So without further ado, let's get back to the topic at hand.

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Another possibility as to why the reductions in violence have occurred could very well be the number of displaced Iraqis:

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The number of Iraqis fleeing their homes has more than quadrupled since the U.S. troop buildup began in February, leaving 2.3 million Iraqis displaced and further dividing the country along sectarian lines, according to a new report from the Iraqi Red Crescent Society. The figures, which measured the number of internally displaced people at the end of September, present a grim accounting of the humanitarian crisis unfolding as Shiite militias and Sunni insurgent groups drive civilians, usually from the opposite sect, out of their homes, neighborhoods and cities. More than 83 percent of those displaced were women and children, and most children were younger than 12, the report found. Most lived in Baghdad. Many lack adequate health services, cannot transfer their children to new schools and cannot find jobs. The number of internally displaced Iraqis at the end of September represented a 16 percent increase since the end of August, and was more than 40 times higher than March 2006, when sectarian fighting accelerated following the bombing of the Golden Mosque in Sammara, a Shiite shrine, according to the report. "This attack ignited sectarian and ethnic arms conflict throughout Iraq on a scale never seen before. Thousands of Shiites had fled Sunni areas and vice versa," the report said. "In addition to their plight as being displaced, the majority suffer from disease, poverty and malnutrition." The power struggle in Iraq has also pitted groups of the same sect against each other. On Monday south of Baghdad in Diwaniyah, for example, police forces tied to the Supreme Islamic Iraqi Council, one of the largest Shiite parties in the country, arrested 11 followers of the powerful Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, one of his spokesmen said. The spokesman, Abu Zainab al-Karawi, described the detentions as part of an "escalating campaign of arrests" by the local police against the Sadr movement. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...7110501930.html

Just gotta hand it to those ethnic cleansers.

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Originally posted by Lira LatinLover and MisterOpus, will you both add one another to your respective ignore lists? I haven't had the time to write the pm's I wanted, but this should've become common sense by now. Seriously, I'm not going to ban LatinLover in this thread because he's attacking MisterOpus: MisterOpus is, after all, adding fuel to the fire. If you know he's not going to say anything about his sources (or lack thereof), just ignore him, poking him won't do any good. Now, as much as I agree with MisterOpus' view, I can not take such biased decision and ban only LatinLover: do you guys not like him? Ignore him. If I even think of banning LatinLover for his argumenta ad hominem, I'd have to ban MisterOpus as well. I don't think this is necessary. Should this happen just one more time, I'm banning both LatinLover and whoever happens to be arguing with him (unless it's Neo or Swamper, for technical reasons )

Lira,

Its real sad that Opus has opted to behave like the way he is doing. Vulgar language is not necessary is this board to get your message across because after all we are civilized people. I have told multiple times to Opus that I wont and dont have to prove him anything. Because after all Im right ( in my opinion) and he is fatally flawed. He hasnt demonstrated that he deserves the honor to engage in a constructive debate with me. I agree with you Lira the best he can do is ignore me because after all I think he has an obsession with me or something that he keeps on going after me.

Now Opus,
You come out and say that you wont join the Arm forces because you dont agree with the war Okay the duty of a soldier is to serve his country whenever called upon and surely our troops dont have the luxury in picking which war they prefer to fight Opus that is a lousy excuse to give to anyone here. Either 1. you are afraid( which im truly starting to question your manhood) or 2. you dont want to go to battle with the people you are rooting for. But please dont come up with the lousy excuse that you dont join the arm forces because you disagree with the war

If he's not a soldier, then he doesn't have a "duty". I fail to see why should he enlist to be a soldier at this particular time. Even if he wants to be a soldier (I don't know if he does or not), enlisting himself at the time a war he strongly disagrees with is going on, must be a really logic thing to do. It makes lots of sense to go kill people you think that shouldn't be killed, just because Bush thinks it's for the country, man.

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Originally posted by Q5echo he's not trying to affect your optimism he's trying to spin the onus. it's a strawman to even think that "all" or "most" violence in Iraq is caused by one group or one tactic.

LOL... right.

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Originally posted by LatinLover Lira, Its real sad that Opus has opted to behave like the way he is doing.

Pot, meet kettle.

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Vulgar language is not necessary is this board to get your message across because after all we are civilized people.

Yes, attempting to stir the pot by calling someone a terrorist and anti-American because they are demonstrating that your SURGE! dream reductions in violence may be attributed to other factors is really civilized.

And mature.

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I have told multiple times to Opus that I wont and dont have to prove him anything. Because after all Im right ( in my opinion) and he is fatally flawed.

Cows are purple on Mars. Because after all Im right ( in my opinion) and anyone is who disagrees with me, evidence be damned, is fatally flawed.

It's almost borderline senility seeing these arguments, Arnold. You really should try and support your arguments every once in a while. If anything, it might actually give you an ounce of credibility to everyone else's eyes.

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He hasnt demonstrated that he deserves the honor to engage in a constructive debate with me.

You have very little understanding what a words like "honor" and "constructive" mean, Arnold, given your continual attempts of slandering me and deliberate derailing of this thread. I've been here since when you just became a teenager, and so far I've been here long enough to see you recently banned multiple times within a time span of less than a year. The irony of such statements by you cannot be overstated.

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I agree with you Lira the best he can do is ignore me because after all I think he has an obsession with me or something that he keeps on going after me.

I believe it was you, Arnold, that decided to reply to my thread, was it not? I have never put anyone on my ignore list, nor do I have any reason to do so now. Our conversations have done more to expose your silliness than I ever could have done alone, and I have no intention of stopping at this point. And again, this will all be done without personal attacks on my end.

Let's see if you can hold up to your side of the bargain. If I'm a bettin' man, given your history of banning and slanderous remarks I'd say the odds are not in your favor.

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Now Opus, You come out and say that you wont join the Arm forces because you dont agree with the war Okay the duty of a soldier is to serve his country whenever called upon and surely our troops dont have the luxury in picking which war they prefer to fight Opus that is a lousy excuse to give to anyone here.

You really are an interesting little critter, Arnold. I believe you are once again trying to derail the topic of this thread. It's a very close line you are attempting to tread by personally attacking the thread starter rather than the argument he posed. Regardless, let's see if I can help you understand a bit better:

1. I do not support this war. I am not a soldier, nor is it any duty of a U.S. citizen to become one unless a draft is implemented. If a draft were to occur and my number was called up I would abide by those laws just as my father, my father-in-law, and my grandfathers before me, regardless of my sentiments against the war cause. But no draft is being implemented at this time.

2. Those in the military had voluntarily signed up with full knowledge that they may very well go to war at any time should the military call them up to do so.

3. I am not in the military because I have no desire to support the cause of this war created by this Administration, especially now since it would almost be inevitable where they would send those who enlisted.

Understand yet?

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Either 1. you are afraid( which im truly starting to question your manhood)

I think that constitutes an ad hominem attack that Lira was discussing, does it not?

Manhood has nothing to do with common sense, Arnold. What part of my three points above do you not understand?

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or 2. you dont want to go to battle with the people you are rooting for.

Again, I think it's obvious that equating me to a terrorist would constitute an ad hominem attack, especially when you have given no supporting evidence to bolster your slander.

This point is so asinine it really astounds me.

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But please dont come up with the lousy excuse that you dont join the arm forces because you disagree with the war

Then you tell me what part of my three points you disagree with and why. Why would I enlist to do something I do not support? What on earth?

Now I have a question for you, Arnold. Reread your argument you just tried to pose to me (I'm being kind to the word "argument"), and please tell me of all the hypocritical things to ask of someone - why are YOU not enlisting yourself, ESPECIALLY since this is a war and a cause YOU support?

And finally, do you have any supporting evidence to counter my arguments made in my original post, or will you continue to try to derail this thread? I would sure like to stick to the topic at hand regarding the SURGE! Do you have anything worthwhile to say about that said topic?

Well how 'bout that? That darn librul America, all 68% of them composed entirely of the "far left" seem to be pretty firm against this war despite all that wonderful news of the SURGE! supposedly working:

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Support for the war in Iraq has dropped to 31 percent and the 68 percent who oppose the war is a new record. Despite the drop in violence in Iraq, only one quarter of Americans believes the U.S. is winning the war. There has been virtually no change in the past month in the number of Americans who believe that things are going badly for the U.S. in the war in Iraq. The public also opposes U.S. military action against Iran. Sixty-three percent oppose air strikes on Iran, while 73 percent oppose using ground troops as well as air strikes in that country. Overall, 56 percent, of Americans are dissatisfied with progress in the war on terrorism. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...l-ticker-am-90/

Why does America hate America?

Why are there so many darn terrorist sympathizers in this country? I didn't realize that there were over 2/3 of American terrorist lovers right now, and those numbers continue to GROW!

Unbelievable.

We really should be making some calls to the Dept. of Homeland Security ASAP. I mean really, for every 3 people out on the streets, 2 of those people are anti-American and side with the terrorists! Who are these neighbors of mine? Every two out of three of my neighbors are terrorist-enablers? Incredible. I can't believe it.

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Originally posted by LatinLover Now Opus, You come out and say that you wont join the Arm forces because you dont agree with the war Okay the duty of a soldier is to serve his country whenever called upon and surely our troops dont have the luxury in picking which war they prefer to fight Opus that is a lousy excuse to give to anyone here. Either 1. you are afraid( which im truly starting to question your manhood) or 2. you dont want to go to battle with the people you are rooting for. But please dont come up with the lousy excuse that you dont join the arm forces because you disagree with the war

Opus is too old for the Armed forces, you moron.

And how much of a pussy do you have to be to complain about vulgar language on a message board? Just run along and watch Rugrats, you child.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z LOL... right.

ok so you think "all" or "most" violence in Iraq is Shia related or are you just that stupid?

here, click >THIS<

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Originally posted by Q5echo ok so you think "all" or "most" violence in Iraq is Shia related or are you just that stupid? here, click >THIS<

Not stupid enough to take something from "pentagontv.feedroom.com" on face value apparently.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Not stupid enough to take something from "pentagontv.feedroom.com" on face value apparently.

Clearly your ignorance prevents you from looking at the facts. Information that comes out of DOD is what all analyst and strategist look at to analyze a current situation or an event. Sure, lets all take what CNN and NYT puts out to know the "real" story especially in times of war

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Originally posted by LatinLover Clearly your ignorance prevents you from looking at the facts. Information that comes out of DOD is what all analyst and strategist look at to analyze a current situation or an event. Sure, lets all take what CNN and NYT puts out to know the "real" story especially in times of war

"real stories in times of war" LOL. You might want to consider reading some history and media propagada analysis.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Not stupid enough to take something from "pentagontv.feedroom.com" on face value apparently.

LOL right, this coming from a guy that revolves his entire life around prisonplanet, infowars and swinging off Alex Jone's nutsac

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Originally posted by Q5echo LOL right, this coming from a guy that revolves his entire life around prisonplanet, infowars and swinging off Alex Jone's nutsac

I don't even listen to Alex Jones, but thanks for the input and stereotype. You on the other hand do love NeoCon/Zionist cock... so have fun with that since it's your thing.

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