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yea it's a real shame. poor guy wasn't doing anything at all. complete error. today at school my classes wouldn't stop talking about it, so i dropped my lesson plans and we had a discussion about what happened, why, soccer mentality/mob mentality.. i mean with italy, the soccer madness has its roots in italy's history and regional divisions, before it was united as one country in 1862. people are verrry territorial and if you damn their soccer team, it's really like cursing god out to a muslim. anyway, my class had some interesting view points (most of them are around 17 y/o, all of them except for a few girls follow soccer) and they think that this type of mentality will never change unless the current government changes, tho i'm not exactly sure what they meant by that (didn't have time to get them to explain what they meant in italian, esp. since english is enforced as much as possible in the classroom.)
Probably that every government up til now is from the north, be it Milano or Torino or Venezia... They're all born in the north, schooled in the north... The second someone from Roma (who has a genuine interest in the southern regions), or anywhere south of that, is elected (which noone really seems to be able to accept), things will change... There will be a woman or black or foreign president before the majority voters of places like Milano or Torino elect someone from Napoli... Just like the average American thinks Italians are always involved in the mob, people from the north, as open-minded as they seem, still think a president from the south is going to be involved with the mob too... It's funny considering their last prime minister, Berlusconi, is the shadiest one they could have chosen...
And yeah, the more I hear about this story, the more I feel bad for the officer... A mistaken shot has resulted in nationwide violence and he's going to be haunted by this for the rest of his life... He shot a bullet in the air to stop everyone from fighting, panic ensued, and as he ran and put it back in the holster, BAM!... The one in a million chance that it hit somebody, that chance happened, and I can only imagine the hell this guy must be living through right now, not to mention the family of the victim.
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| Originally posted by DJ Eco And yeah, the more I hear about this story, the more I feel bad for the officer... A mistaken shot has resulted in nationwide violence and he's going to be haunted by this for the rest of his life... He shot a bullet in the air to stop everyone from fighting, panic ensued, and as he ran and put it back in the holster, BAM!... The one in a million chance that it hit somebody, that chance happened, and I can only imagine the hell this guy must be living through right now, not to mention the family of the victim. |
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| Originally posted by DJ Eco And yeah, the more I hear about this story, the more I feel bad for the officer... A mistaken shot has resulted in nationwide violence and he's going to be haunted by this for the rest of his life... He shot a bullet in the air to stop everyone from fighting, panic ensued, and as he ran and put it back in the holster, BAM!... The one in a million chance that it hit somebody, that chance happened, and I can only imagine the hell this guy must be living through right now, not to mention the family of the victim. |
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| Originally posted by steven-neil Sorry Marcello but that is terrible NSP's...The cop deserves everything he gets... |
I assume that the same NSP's apply to Cops as they do to soldiers...If so,,the cop is gonna end up in jail for a long time...It's fucking sad 'cos it's in the line of duty but at the same time it's rudimentary errors that cost a dude his life...
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| Originally posted by steven-neil I assume that the same NSP's apply to Cops as they do to soldiers...If so,,the cop is gonna end up in jail for a long time...It's fucking sad 'cos it's in the line of duty but at the same time it's rudimentary errors that cost a dude his life... |
NSP,s = Normal Safety Procedure..
1...Who the fuck holsters a firearm without applying the safety catch...
2...What goes up must come down..Discharging firearms into the air is fucking dangerous...Bullets come down as easy as they go up and just as quick...
No, you guys are right... I read and interview and felt bad for him and replied shortly after, but I just imagined myself as the family of the victim, and that's even a worse situation to be in... Truly senseless death...
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| Originally posted by steven-neil NSP,s = Normal Safety Procedure.. 1...Who the fuck holsters a firearm without applying the safety catch... 2...What goes up must come down..Discharging firearms into the air is fucking dangerous...Bullets come down as easy as they go up and just as quick... |
actually, at each point in elevation, the bullet should have the same velocity on its descent as it had on its ascent. (minus any wind resistance).
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| Originally posted by DJ Eco No, you guys are right... I read and interview and felt bad for him and replied shortly after, but I just imagined myself as the family of the victim, and that's even a worse situation to be in... Truly senseless death... |
"Football has a central place in the life of Italy, so whatever problems exist at a social level find their way to the stadium."
Uefa spokesman William Gaillard
so true.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foo...ope/7091306.stm
Italian football to be suspended
The Italian Football Federation (FIGC) has suspended next week's Serie B and C matches after the latest fan violence.
On Sunday, games were halted across the country and police attacked after a Lazio fan was shot by a policeman.
Italy's Euro 2008 qualifier away to Scotland on Saturday means there are no top-flight Serie A games next weekend.
But FIGC president Giancarlo Abete has not ruled out the possibility of the postponements continuing after the international break.
Interview: Uefa spokesman William Gaillard
"We don't intend to restart all tournaments from Sunday 25," he said.
"We will have to study, with the Serie A clubs, certain initiatives to be put in place by the 25th - a reflection of the values of football, like a categorical no to any form of violence."
Sports minister Giovanna Melandri had earlier asked for "a strong gesture, in particular suspending the championships for a few weeks".
She added: "Today I think a significant gesture needs to be made to express the condolences from the sporting world and the football world and the shared mourning and at the same time a condemnation without hesitation of violence."
Sunday's incident occurred when Lazio fans travelling to see their team play at Inter Milan encountered Juventus fans at a motorway service station in Tuscany.
Football has a central place in the life of Italy, so whatever problems exist at a social level find their way to the stadium
Uefa spokesman William Gaillard
Lazio's game with Inter and Roma's match with Cagliari were both postponed in the aftermath of the fatal shooting, and Atalanta's game with Milan was abandoned after just seven minutes.
Italy's anti-hooligan body has proposed the banning of large groups of potentially violent away supporters from all grounds.
It has also suggested that away fan attendance should be decided on a game-by-game basis, and wants 'supporter passports' introduced as soon as possible.
Uefa spokesman William Gaillard told BBC Sport that although there was clearly a serious problem, it was unfair to lay the blame entirely at the door of football.
"It reflects social difficulties in Italian cities which have little to do with football, and also the presence of extremists and organised groups do not reflect what the average fan feels about football," he said.
"That bullet could have hit anyone in the parking lot, so it's tragic. Football has a central place in the life of Italy, so whatever problems exist at a social level find their way to the stadium."
I don't know how I missed this thread, but better late than never
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| Originally posted by steven-neil ^^^^^^^ True,,we used to be the worst and now it's as safe as going to a baseball game... |
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| Originally posted by southbound24 I thought i was the only american whatching Fox soccer, I like Liverpool cause they sing the best, thats how this American chooses his favorite etam, who ver cheers the best I root for, so Liverpool it is, plus they play that hardnosed style |
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