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anyone who tries to deny that global warming isnt happening to this planet or that we didnt cause it truly is friggin stupid.

yes, we did cause global warming.

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Originally posted by AustralianGQ anyone who tries to deny that global warming isnt happening to this planet or that we didnt cause it truly is friggin stupid. yes, we did cause global warming.

If you don't edit your post with *imo* you're going to get raped by everyone.

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Originally posted by jupiterone If you don't edit your post with *imo* you're going to get raped by everyone.

not by me. i agree 100%. it pisses me off immensely when people that aren't climate biologists etc are attempting to throw their opinion into the forum. a forum that they are thoroughly ill-equipped to participate in.

thus, if youre a climate expert and don't agree with the general scientific consensus, then by all means express yourself here.

otherwise, shut the fuck up.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN not by me. i agree 100%. it pisses me off immensely when people that aren't climate biologists etc are attempting to throw their opinion into the forum. a forum that they are thoroughly ill-equipped to participate in. thus, if youre a climate expert and don't agree with the general scientific consensus, then by all means express yourself here. otherwise, shut the fuck up.

Obiously not, I mean, cars don't really make exhaust, just fairy dust!


Nut, I understand where you're coming from, but does this mean that if I'm not a climate scientist, I can't have an opinion? Even if I form that opinion from reading reports by climate experts?

The debate has moved so far beyond "what are we going to do to fix it" and into a debate about the debate itself that I doubt we'll ever reach a workable solution, unfortunately. It's a tragedy, and in 50-100 years we will look back and wonder why we did nothing...

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Originally posted by Clovis Obiously not, I mean, cars don't really make exhaust, just fairy dust! Nut, I understand where you're coming from, but does this mean that if I'm not a climate scientist, I can't have an opinion? Even if I form that opinion from reading reports by climate experts? The debate has moved so far beyond "what are we going to do to fix it" and into a debate about the debate itself that I doubt we'll ever reach a workable solution, unfortunately. It's a tragedy, and in 50-100 years we will look back and wonder why we did nothing...

Clovis

My reference is geared towards people who rely on a hair trigger response of global warming.

My reply was not geared towards anyone nor towards this thread. It was a generalization of the multitude of threads that have popped up over time.

I encourage people to have their own thoughts about the subject. Provoking the subject will only do good as more attention can be brought to it. The way I see it, the more educated people are on the subject.. the better the awareness. Ignorance is not bliss. It will only do more harm than good.


Non related to the clovsha comment:

The bad part of the situation is that some of the worlds oceans have already saturated in co2 (read on carbon sinks). The terrestrial component of the planet is not taking any more co2. so more of what we spew into the atmosphere is staying there instead of being absorbed by the oceans or the terrestrial biosphere. So co2 will start increasing faster than ever before.... far faster than any research/modeling has predicted.


Now when you look at global sea ice concentration:





Just form your own thoughts.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN not by me. i agree 100%. it pisses me off immensely when people that aren't climate biologists etc are attempting to throw their opinion into the forum. a forum that they are thoroughly ill-equipped to participate in. thus, if youre a climate expert and don't agree with the general scientific consensus, then by all means express yourself here. otherwise, shut the fuck up.

You put too much trust into the institution.

I know you are in fact capable of critical thought sometimes, but don't try to pass off your maxims as though they should apply to everyone - there are plenty of reasons to doubt scientists and "research". In fact, this reasonable skepticism is far too rare when people are presented with facts. Just because someone has "Dr." in front of their name doesn't mean they are right or that we should listen to them.

Do I understand how stupid it is when someone reads a single fucking article and automatically thinks they are able to tell others what to think? Yeah. It's stupid as shit. But do I also think that people should be allowed to think for themselves when it comes to exactly what they take in? Yeah, it's quite healthy and despairingly rare. I realize this is somewhat of a flawed adage in this case, but I'm going to have to invoke the just because I'm not a movie critic doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on the movie rule, in concept, alone. I realize that there is a very fine distinction between science and mere opinion, but in the end, science will not save the world of man - it is too far removed from humanity to do such a thing. It has its place in making us understand, but I would no sooner suck the dick off of God than I would a scientist.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On You put too much trust into the institution. I know you are in fact capable of critical thought sometimes, but don't try to pass off your maxims as though they should apply to everyone - there are plenty of reasons to doubt scientists and "research". In fact, this reasonable skepticism is far too rare when people are presented with facts. Just because someone has "Dr." in front of their name doesn't mean they are right or that we should listen to them. Do I understand how stupid it is when someone reads a single fucking article and automatically thinks they are able to tell others what to think? Yeah. It's stupid as shit. But do I also think that people should be allowed to think for themselves when it comes to exactly what they take in? Yeah, it's quite healthy and despairingly rare. I realize this is somewhat of a flawed adage in this case, but I'm going to have to invoke the just because I'm not a movie critic doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on the movie rule, in concept, alone. I realize that there is a very fine distinction between science and mere opinion, but in the end, science will not save the world of man - it is too far removed from humanity to do such a thing. It has its place in making us understand, but I would no sooner suck the dick off of God than I would a scientist.

The only drawback to your argument is that much of the current research is based off of empirical evidence and not theory.

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The bad part of the situation is that some of the worlds oceans have already saturated in co2 (read on carbon sinks). The terrestrial component of the planet is not taking any more co2. so more of what we spew into the atmosphere is staying there instead of being absorbed by the oceans or the terrestrial biosphere. So co2 will start increasing faster than ever before.... far faster than any research/modeling has predicted.

Read a fantastic article on the subject a while back in the New Yorker...it said that they estimate by 2075 98% of the coral reefs in the ocean will have vanished because the absorption of excess CO2 in the air by the ocean is causing the pH of the waters to change, at a rate far too fast for marine life to adjust to.


People constantly throw out that "there have been climate swings for millions of years" argument, but its shit, of course there have, but on an evolutionary scale this time it is happening at the speed of a bullet being fired...

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On You put too much trust into the institution.

Perhaps.

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I know you are in fact capable of critical thought sometimes, but don't try to pass off your maxims as though they should apply to everyone - there are plenty of reasons to doubt scientists and "research". In fact, this reasonable skepticism is far too rare when people are presented with facts. Just because someone has "Dr." in front of their name doesn't mean they are right or that we should listen to them.

Only sometimes? im great with critical thought until my intolerance gets the better of me, LOL. But in regards to your point; when pretty much the whole world's collective of climate specialists are saying one thing, I find it deeply DEEPLY arrogant in the extreme for people who don't have experience and/or knowledge in the climate sciences to be doubting anything. If someone has done their own research or has analysed competing ideas (and has the capacity to do so) then im all ears. But its those that ignore the mountains of evidence in favour of ideas akin to conspiracy theories that piss me off.

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Do I understand how stupid it is when someone reads a single fucking article and automatically thinks they are able to tell others what to think? Yeah. It's stupid as shit. But do I also think that people should be allowed to think for themselves when it comes to exactly what they take in? Yeah, it's quite healthy and despairingly rare. I realize this is somewhat of a flawed adage in this case, but I'm going to have to invoke the just because I'm not a movie critic doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on the movie rule, in concept, alone. I realize that there is a very fine distinction between science and mere opinion, but in the end, science will not save the world of man - it is too far removed from humanity to do such a thing. It has its place in making us understand, but I would no sooner suck the dick off of God than I would a scientist.

Of course people should be allowed to have their own opinions. Just as I am free to call them stupid. But, my central contention remains, the average citizen (and I am including myself here too) does not have the knowledge, experience, or capacity to be making a case against the general consensus, and all too often people love to think of themselves on the outside looking in, and it fucks me right off.

And don't, even for a second, compare science and religion in this context. It makes absolutely zero sense. To argue science is in the "ballpark" of religion (in the context of attainable "truth") is just nonsense.

Most events that occur today are far too complicated for ordinary people to understand and analyze technically. You need experts in that particular field to explain them to us. That is a fact. However in this age of information technology, a larger audience is exposed to these events and wants to voice its opinion. But you cannot form an informed opinion, unless you are educated in the profession that best describes these events technically.

yes.

i think less people debated it 20 years ago than they do today. i blame the internet and youtube for making people think they know a damned thing about the environment by watching a 2 hour video from a college freshman.

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Originally posted by Beatflux I'm not having kids

of course not, you have a penis.

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Originally posted by _Nut_ I just have to laugh at the views some people take on this subject. That is all and I will no longer interject.

+1

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Originally posted by Ang ' ela_ie +1

I failed by interjecting a few times.

^^ aren't you also doing your PhD ? What are you working on ? I roughly know what Ang ' ela_ie is working on (MOC i think )

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Originally posted by Omega_M ^^ aren't you also doing your PhD ? What are you working on ? I roughly know what Ang ' ela_ie is working on (MOC i think )

Good good! =)

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Originally posted by Omega_M ^^ aren't you also doing your PhD ? What are you working on ? I roughly know what Ang ' ela_ie is working on (MOC i think )

M.S. (dealing GIS with climate emphasis), but I am a support scientist for a regional climate center. I haven't decided if I am bold enough to devote my life full time to school again (grad is part time while I work full).

Besides:

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Originally posted by _Nut_ M.S. (dealing GIS with climate emphasis), but I am a support scientist for a regional climate center. I haven't decided if I am bold enough to devote my life full time to school again (grad is part time while I work full). Besides:

So true. Is there a bigger version of this? I want to print it out and tape it to my door.

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Originally posted by _Nut_ M.S. (dealing GIS with climate emphasis), but I am a support scientist for a regional climate center. I haven't decided if I am bold enough to devote my life full time to school again (grad is part time while I work full).

Awesome.

Besides:

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My research meetings are on every thursday, and this describes my mood perfectly. I'm chilling this week cause my advisor is out of town. So no meeting this week. Then no meeting next week cause of thanks giving break.

I am sure from the book. But the website is a riot and so god-awful true...




http://www.phdcomics.com/comics.php

All of those that an sympathize raise your hand

*raises

It's amazing how everybody thinks on similar lines.

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Originally posted by _Nut_ And to further reply to btg: I can easily assume that 95% of the people here, who have their thoughts on global warming, saw something on tv or read some small article in the news and have based their thoughts entirely around that. Is that making an educated decision on something that that is beyond complex?

just saying back up your statement with a little reason behind instead of 'lol you people are so dumb but i wont even tell you why"

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Originally posted by BTG just saying back up your statement with a little reason behind instead of 'lol you people are so dumb but i wont even tell you why"

Did you read any of my statements?

Oh....

May I suggest readi.... nah. n/m

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Originally posted by Echo of Silence Man has caused climate change.

humans are one of many factors that have caused climate changes.

The Earth has gone through climate changes several times and will continue to go through changes well after we are all dead.....when you consider the age of the earth we have only kept climate records for such a small period of time that to produce any relevant information from the data is impossible.....the people who warn us against global warming have much to gain from scaring us.....personally, I'll do what I want because I will be long gone before the earth is no longer habitable...as for the suckers who will be alive when the earth goes boom

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