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I've had enough nerding it up for today. I'm going to get a beer. Then I'm going to chemistry class.

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Originally posted by Zild I've had enough nerding it up for today. I'm going to get a grape Crush and some Cheetos. Then I'm going to chemistry class.

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That sounds disgusting. I'll stick to beer and limesalt.

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Originally posted by Zild That sounds disgusting. I'll stick to beer and limesalt.

lol those are staple nerd foods. followed by some Reese's Peanut Butter Cups

Reese's rocks! But those other ones aren't very good.

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Originally posted by Capitalizt These assholes are going to create a black hole and kill us all.

This thing is in France and Switzerland, right?

It's going to get the French to go back to work

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Originally posted by Omega_M It's about to be turned on in May 2008. No ? The Large Hadron Collider is massively complex. The project has already seen many delays. I wouldn't be surprised if it got delayed further. --- the link doesn't work.

yes, may 2008, and yes, been delayed many many times.

my question is:
is it possible that the equipment+particles are traveling so fast that they gain enough mass (as an object's speed nears the speed of light, it gains tremendous mass) to fall into the earth? I've read this scenario elsewhere, but I don't remember if it was an expert's quotation or just a random person pondering.
They said it could fall directly through the earth and shoot out the other side, or
1/fall through the earth into the core
2/fall into the earth and oscillate around the core's gravity until poof


http://cdsweb.cern.ch/collection/Photos
some insanely hi-res pictures showing off the epic scale of the equipment

http://mediaarchive.cern.ch/MediaAr...-at-144-dpi.jpg

Looks like its straight out of a science fiction movie

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Originally posted by SuspicionVandit yes, may 2008, and yes, been delayed many many times. my question is: is it possible that the equipment+particles are traveling so fast that they gain enough mass (as an object's speed nears the speed of light, it gains tremendous mass) to fall into the earth?

Nah...You are right though...the mass does increase tremendously as objects near the speed of light. But remember what we are talking about here...tiny things the size of atoms. Even if an atom increased in mass by a factor of one billion, it would still weigh less than a ping pong ball.

first up, just curious, is this classified as chemistry talk of physics? id say physics but thats cause i did this sorta stuff in phys at school an not in chem.

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Originally posted by Zild They don't really appear in two places. If you shoot a mass of electrons through through the slits it gives you you a pattern with dark and bright alternating bands. At first it was thought this happened because the electron particles were interacting with each other. Later the experiment was done with a single stream of electrons, but the same pattern showed up. The only way that could happen is if the electrons are in two places at the same time or if they are behaving like a wave instead of a particle. Using the mathematics of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle and wave functions it is trivial to show that these particles behave as waves. It is however impossible to show that they can be in the same place at two times. Simple right?

That may be true, but in physics according to the thought experiment Schr�dinger's cat it can be.
Or at least thats my understanding of it.
or does it specifically refer to the state of the particle, possibility of position, and not the particle 'being' in two positions?
And last time i checked there was no counter-proof to his hypothesis.

Does a particle (or body for that matter) at light speed have infinite mass, or just very big?

Back to the original experiment. I wonder what kind of safety measures they have taken for this, from what i know couldnt it 'stabilize' and cause SERIOUS issues? I mean do they have any idea how to stop a black hole?

British

Any black holes created would vanish almost instantly

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Originally posted by eROs.au http://mediaarchive.cern.ch/MediaAr...-at-144-dpi.jpg Looks like its straight out of a science fiction movie

lol worst pic ever!

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Originally posted by British first up, just curious, is this classified as chemistry talk of physics? id say physics but thats cause i did this sorta stuff in phys at school an not in chem. That may be true, but in physics according to the thought experiment Schr�dinger's cat it can be. Or at least thats my understanding of it. or does it specifically refer to the state of the particle, possibility of position, and not the particle 'being' in two positions? And last time i checked there was no counter-proof to his hypothesis. Does a particle (or body for that matter) at light speed have infinite mass, or just very big? Back to the original experiment. I wonder what kind of safety measures they have taken for this, from what i know couldnt it 'stabilize' and cause SERIOUS issues? I mean do they have any idea how to stop a black hole? British

As to whether this is chemistry or physics it is both. The main difference between chemistry and physics is scale. Physics is more interested in the elementary particles where chemistry is more interested in larger systems like molecules. Both however are subject to quantum mechanics, and there is a significant overlap. Especially if you are like me and you concentrate on physical/quantum chemistry instead of organic/biochem.


Not really sure but Schrodinger's equations are used to mathematically describe particles as a wave function. Any wave passing through a set of slits or a diffraction grating will be subject to interference.

The thought experiment says that when you go to measure the quantum system you collapse its wavefunction. Before you went to measure the system it was a superposition of different states. Superposition occurs when something "possesses" more than one value for a quantity (momentum, energy, position, etc...) I think this is where people get the idea something can be in two places at once.

Not too sure about the infinite mass, but I do know that in nuclear reactors electrons can travel faster than the speed of light causing Cerenkov radiation. And they do have mass albeit very small mass, so I'm assuming particles of very small mass can move at the speed of light without their mass becoming infinite.

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Originally posted by eROs.au Any black holes created would vanish almost instantly

And the reason for this would be?

oh an thanks Zild that clears heaps up.

Ive been reading more from random sources, this stuff is mind boggling at best. I gotta say the person who can get hyperspace working will be one smart guy.

British

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Originally posted by British And the reason for this would be? oh an thanks Zild that clears heaps up. Ive been reading more from random sources, this stuff is mind boggling at best. I gotta say the person who can get hyperspace working will be one smart guy. British

Galactic black holes are caused by stars at least 5 times greater than our own. We're not collapsing stars man...

THese would be infintesimally small black holes, UNLIKE the ones created by supermassive stars and super novas. Stephen Hawking kind of proved black holes eventually evaporate into nothing. So these very very very small black holes would essentially evaporate in a split second, just barely detectable by our instruments.

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Originally posted by Krypton [[ LINK REMOVED ]] <<----CLICK Called the Hadron Particle Collider, this thing could theoretically create a black hole. Costing $6 BILLION, it was designed to create the conditions right after the BIG BANG. Here is the problem: The four fundamental forces of nature, gravity, electromagnetism, weak and strong nuclear forces, were once unified before the big bang. They split apart 10^-43 seconds, from one unified force into 4. Scientists want to know what it was like right after this event so we can learn about how our universe was created. It's MINDBLOWING stuff.... For any interested in why we exist and what everything simply just is, and why it is.. 10^-42 seconds = .00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 seconds. Very very very short amount of time. Before this moment after the Big Bang, the forces of nature were unified, and so we cannot explain the big bang itself, because the laws of physics we know today didn't exist before 10^-42 seconds.

maybe this thing can prove the 911 truth movement was correct after all.......

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Originally posted by colonelcrisp maybe this thing can prove the 911 truth movement was correct after all.......

Maybe if we made a wormhole back in time to 2001. MAYBE...

Black holes are not eternal. They dissipate through Hawking radiation. The smaller the black hole, the quicker they radiate.

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