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Originally posted by R!CH well the bible says we are all immortals. what more of an explanation do you need?

It doesn't say that we're physically immortal.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I don't think so. Conservation of energy is one of the most fundamental principles of physics. If it were found to be untrue, then all kinds of crazy things might be possible (perpetual motion, for example). I don't really know much more than the basic concepts myself.

I didn't explain correctly, I mean I don't quite understand the science, but all our heat was ultimatley generated by gravity is it not?

Once all useful energy is lost, will gravity cease to exist? If not then surely matter would eventually be pulled together resulting in new stars etc?

Or the big crunch in which case we be sold up the shit river big time.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles It doesn't say that we're physically immortal.

This is just MY personal theory on Immortality...(though it doesnt hold much water hahaha pun right there)

Our physical bodies would last much longer if we only digested PURE h20...

That is, only PURE in our drinking water...in all foods we prepare we use only PURE...all the animals we eat are raised with PURE...

Murky water is LETHAL...just thinking about alllll the impurities and contamination that i ingest every day...natural or unnatural...is sometimes dusturbing...lol wow...dusturbing

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Originally posted by st3nc This is just MY personal theory on Immortality...(though it doesnt hold much water hahaha pun right there) Our physical bodies would last much longer if we only digested PURE h20... That is, only PURE in our drinking water...in all foods we prepare we use only PURE...all the animals we eat are raised with PURE... Murky water is LETHAL...just thinking about alllll the impurities and contamination that i ingest every day...natural or unnatural...is sometimes dusturbing...lol wow...dusturbing

I thought it was oxygen that ultimatley fucks us over with it's free radicals?

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Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7 I thought it was oxygen that ultimatley fucks us over with it's free radicals?

ya probably...

we wouldnt be immortal by a long shot..but the average life expectancy would DEF go up

You could also get into the specifics with Chemistry...and think about all the differnt complex Chemicals, hormones, vitamins, and elements that we need...

if we could design a Meal Pill...or somethin that gave us the PERFECT combo...it would also help reduce inefficency..thus prolonging our bodies and our Lives

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Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7 I thought it was oxygen that ultimatley fucks us over with it's free radicals?

A little of column A, a little of column B.

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Originally posted by st3nc ya probably... we wouldnt be immortal by a long shot..but the average life expectancy would DEF go up

Interesting, where did you find this out? I assume it is based on all sorts of toxins and heavy metals being in unpure water?

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Originally posted by idoru A little of column A, a little of column B.

Explain?

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Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7 I didn't explain correctly, I mean I don't quite understand the science, but all our heat was ultimatley generated by gravity is it not?

No. At the basic level, heat is created by particles interacting in different ways. Gravity can be part of that, but there are also the nuclear and electromagnetic forces.

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Once all useful energy is lost, will gravity cease to exist? If not then surely matter would eventually be pulled together resulting in new stars etc?

If the expansion of space continues indefinitely, the universe will eventually be "pulled apart."

As far as stars go, nuclear fusion continues only until stars make iron, which is when the fusion process stops and the star dies. There is a very large but still limited amount of fusible (lighter than iron) elements in the universe.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles No. At the basic level, heat is created by particles interacting in different ways. Gravity can be part of that, but there are also the nuclear and electromagnetic forces. If the expansion of space continues indefinitely, the universe will eventually be "pulled apart." As far as stars go, nuclear fusion continues only until stars make iron, which is when the fusion process stops and the star dies. There is a very large but still limited amount of fusible (lighter than iron) elements in the universe.

Very interesting, I may read up on some of this stuff, any recommendations?

If humans could manipulate gravity better in space (NASA wtf are you doing get to fucking work)

We could design solar systems...what i've always dreamed of was a section of space within an artifical "gravity bubble" and fill the bubble with Atmosphereic gas from Earth...we could potentially float around in space and breath...

Cause gravity is really the only thing keeping the Atmosphere with us...

and we seem to understand it enough to start designing this shit

Orrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, Create Ring world.

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Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7 Explain?

Water, food, oxygen, etc. They all have problems, it's not just one "ultimate" that fucks us over. Though I guess that was the point of st3nc's post. I never fair too well nor do I have much of an interest in these types of discussions, so I'll just back out now.

what fucks me over is my need to stick my dick in a warm vagina all the time...

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Originally posted by st3nc You could also get into the specifics with Chemistry...and think about all the differnt complex Chemicals, hormones, vitamins, and elements that we need... if we could design a Meal Pill...or somethin that gave us the PERFECT combo...it would also help reduce inefficency..thus prolonging our bodies and our Lives

This kind of thing might help, but ultimately the same reality that led to the amazing achievements of evolution (namely, imperfect reproduction, i.e. mutation) is what gets us in the end. Cells accumulate lots of junk and things go haywire, regardless of the quality of diet.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles This kind of thing might help, but ultimately the same reality that led to the amazing achievements of evolution (namely, imperfect reproduction, i.e. mutation) is what gets us in the end. Cells accumulate lots of junk and things go haywire, regardless of the quality of diet.

Yes, true.

Thus the Anomie of Life gets us again.

But if humans are truely searching for immortality...we need to take it one step at a time...streeeeetching out our lives.

LOL at Jennypies distraction...(her avatar)

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Originally posted by st3nc But if humans are truely searching for immortality...we need to take it one step at a time...streeeeetching out our lives.

Of course.

I think the big jump will come with the transfer of minds to digital media (and lots of people still dispute whether that's even possible). But even when you're a robot or some kind of software on a giant computer, fully "repairable," it seems like there are fundamental limits to how long you can stretch out your life. Which was kind of the point of this thread.

Another troublesome limit might just be traveling from one galaxy to another in search of new energy. Galaxies are really far apart, and there's almost nothing at all in between them; the closest one to us is about 25,000 light years away, a damn long trip to make when there's no way to refuel in the middle of the journey. And since the universe is expanding, galaxies are only getting further and further apart as we speak.

We will Birth A.I. eventually....i firmly believe that...

It will happen once we figure ourselves out. We just need to build 1 outlet for A.I., and control its ability to procreate, so that it must rely on us...

Then hopefully it can interact with us...and work with us to create more...

I read a BUNCH of Orson Scott Card, he uses alot of the same concepts... I find this some of the most facinating subject to talk about. Just because the shitty inefficent systems that humans have made, make living in this Age very frustrating.

Then again a person of my status is given VERY limited responsiblities...

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Originally posted by st3nc We just need to build 1 outlet for A.I., and control its ability to procreate, so that it must rely on us...

Well, that brings to mind another problem. Once you have beings that are (in principle) always "repairable," you run into a massive problem of overpopulation. The more people you have, the more energy your civilization will require. If there are fundamental limits on the amount of usable energy in the universe, more reproduction ultimately means a shorter life for your civilization. So if you're a "repairable" person, what do you do? Ban people from reproducing in the interest of prolonging your own lifespan?

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Well, that brings to mind another problem. Once you have beings that are (in principle) always "repairable," you run into a massive problem of overpopulation. The more people you have, the more energy your civilization will require. If there are fundamental limits on the amount of usable energy in the universe, more reproduction ultimately means a shorter life for your civilization. So if you're a "repairable" person, what do you do? Ban people from reproducing in the interest of prolonging your own lifespan?

Indeed, a good point...

I assume we are gonna start throwing satelittes around the Sun, as well as other Stars...equipped with high-tek solar plates...

Hopefuly someone can figure out a way to concentrate this energy, so that it travels to us faster that the speed of light...

Maybe using disorder, and how energy is always trying to go towards disorder...to trap the energy and beam it to locations...

We are just stuck with "speed of light" shit nowadays...weak sauce

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Originally posted by Lira I'm going to uni and I'm going to make him one when I come back

Thanks for the hat.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I don't think so. Conservation of energy is one of the most fundamental principles of physics. If it were found to be untrue, then all kinds of crazy things might be possible (perpetual motion, for example).

For the record, the conservation of energy is violated in some cases.

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To sum it up, yes, conservation of energy can be violated, but nature makes sure it is always within the limits of uncertainty. In other words, the energy must be returned, and the books set straight pretty quickly. But, the fact that it can be violated is important, and although it can never be observed directly, it does have important consequences.

http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae605.cfm

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=50539

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Originally posted by Lira Can't there be some sort of unconscious life? That would make consciousness irrelevant

What do you mean by unconscious life ? You are getting into the nuances of what is considered to be living or dead. By consciousness, I imply the property that creates this distinction. The most obvious example of this property is us, the humans. Surely we are conscious.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I don't think so. The assumptions I listed seem to apply to anything with a body. But maybe you want to say that consciousness can exist without any physical substrate whatsoever. My reply would be: evidence?

Even so, my point is that we must determine in quantitative terms what creates this distinction between dead and alive. Can we do that ? If we can't, then we also cannot answer a question that seeks to relate known physical energy with a yet unknown physical quantity.

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