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Originally posted by ams.rld More people is not a good thing haven't you ever been to a really large poor country like India or Pakistan or China? You need a good education and than you will be lucky to earning a hundred dollars a month. My father works for Reliance in Jamnagar, India. All the people who work in the refinery are chemical engineers even at the little jobs like control room. here in the states the control room people are high school educated. And than they have at least a team of engineers telling them what buttons to push. The average wage for a chemical engineer is 4-500 dollars but still that isn't even reality. Plus you would think gas is cheap but it isn't and the cars aren't cheap either. Oh, and the construction workers are as young as ten and they work six days a week from sunrise to sundown. They only get out early on sundays and that is it. More people equals more problems regardless of how wealthy a nation's GDP is.

what are you talking about? India's high population has been beneficial for their country and the U.S. China has also proven that due to such a high level of population, their GDP is relatively higher than India's and gradually increasing every year. In addition, the U.S is also outsourcing most of the I.T work to places like India and China and most of the people that work in such companies have great english skills and learn new tasks easily. You should read "The World is Flat" by Thomas L. Friedman.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Once you have enough food to feed everybody (which is certainly a problem for some places), more kids = bigger labor force = more inventions and more robust industries. Education is certainly part of it, too, since you need a skilled labor force to progress, not just a bunch of illiterate farmers. The real problem is that too many countries are bogged down with tons of regulations and oppressive rule by dictators. Human initiative needs breathing room to flourish, and the rulers of many poor countries prefer to suffocate their own citizens for personal gain. Pretty much every country has something that other countries want, whether it's cheap labor or raw resources or whatever. If people are allowed to make consensual trades with whomever they please, they eventually find ways to prosper once they get past the "starvation" threshold.

education as in "school education" is just part of the education i am talking about. sexual education, financial stability education are all problems in third world countries. you think poverty would be solved if you took a bunch of professors and thought poeple math and science?

opressive rule of dictatorship is not a problem for that many countires, and actually the countries work hand in hand with organizations to eradicate the problem.

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Originally posted by nchs09 education as in "school education" is just part of the education i am talking about. sexual education, financial stability education are all problems in third world countries. you think poverty would be solved if you took a bunch of professors and thought poeple math and science? opressive rule of dictatorship is not a problem for that many countires, and actually the countries work hand in hand with organizations to eradicate the problem.

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Originally posted by diggerz you want an opinion? give me a source.

Source for what? You can get the figures on fertility and immigration lots of different places. Try United Nations websites or CIA Factbook.

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Originally posted by diggerz

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Originally posted by nchs09 opressive rule of dictatorship is not a problem for that many countires

You have to be joking. Look at the past fifty years of African and Latin American history for examples...

Even in cases where dictatorships haven't ruled, corruption has been so rampant in the Third World as to make democracy effectively non-existent in most places.

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Originally posted by diggerz what are you talking about? India's high population has been beneficial for their country and the U.S. China has also proven that due to such a high level of population, their GDP is relatively higher than India's and gradually increasing every year. In addition, the U.S is also outsourcing most of the I.T work to places like India and China and most of the people that work in such companies, have great english skills and learn new tasks easily. You should read "The World is Flat" by Thomas L. Friedman.

What I am talking about is that there will be fewer opportunities for many people. I am talking about the blue collar workforce. Many of them are poor and if we reach a large population expect them to live in poverty. You can't just read a book you have to go and experience it firsthand. You missed out that even if they are in I.T. or engineers they are not earning a lot of money but the prices are still high for such things as a car. Even if the model is of poor quality. It is hard to live in a nation where there is so much competition and few opportunities, regardless of who is outsourcing or anything.

Sports = Competition

Humans = Competetive

Always.

did i miss something? where does sports come into this discussion

not all humans are competitive.

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Originally posted by eRRaTiK did i miss something? where does sports come into this discussion not all humans are competitive.

read the post above mine...

and if your not competetive...your not trying...YOU SUCK!

People that work together achieve more than those that fight each other.

(YOU SUCK!)

One mistake is to look at the number of jobs like a pile of marbles that can be taken up one by one until there are none left for anybody. The truth is that people create jobs all the time. There are few cases where every last market niche has been tapped. But in order to find new market niches, you need economic freedom, which many people in poor countries don't really have.

A "job" is just doing something that somebody wants done and is willing to pay you for.

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Originally posted by st3nc read the post above mine... and if your not competitive...your not trying...YOU SUCK!

Wrong. You don't have to be against each other to try hard. Each at his own pace to reach his own goal in his own amount of time.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Once you have enough food to feed everybody (which is certainly a problem for some places), more kids = bigger labor force = more inventions and more robust industries.

The problem is how much capital poor nations have. It doesn't matter the size of the labor force, it's how the capital is distributed to each worker, and poor nations are lacking in capital. Read about the economic ramifications of over-population and low capital. It's one of the prime reasons poor nations have such a hard time with economic growth.

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Originally posted by Frenchie Wrong. You don't have to be against each other to try hard. Each at his own pace to reach his own goal in his own amount of time.

TRUTH

but still

aaaahahahhahahaah n00bs ITT

It's all about your goals homie

uh oh

were's the REF when we need em

Re: Why aren't Europeans having more kids?

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles

yey for romania !!!


we're on top again.

my favorite sport is:

11 V 11...

because its expensive and derails the western european career path, and most people are educated|



(which doesnt solve the labor problem, but i agree with the former)

diggerz is an idiot, so do not argue with him...it only delays the inevitable|

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Originally posted by OurManFlint The problem is how much capital poor nations have. It doesn't matter the size of the labor force, it's how the capital is distributed to each worker, and poor nations are lacking in capital.

This is where the dreaded specter of "foreign investment" comes in.

you should see the 'women' (see: girls) having kids now. stupid breeding whores are leading us to mass stupidity.

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Originally posted by Ian you should see the 'women' (see: girls) having kids now. stupid breeding whores are leading us to mass stupidity.

and amazing sexuality...

uh oh

once again

Basically, kids are expensive little bastards to raise properly without state assistance and to be honest, it's pretty rough as a couple to survive on one income and who wants to have them in childcare (very expensive) all the time up until they're school age. Overall and I don't mean to complain, but it's very hard in the workforce to have that time off to do it all.

Not really taking shots here, but the results of bad parenting with a single parent or both parents struggling financially (it creates a stressful environment), the consequences of unwanted children and how they end up growing up in the world.
There's only so much we can do to mitigate most of those things, but for anyone who's educated, honest and hard working, we just simply want them to be happy, spend time with them and hope they end up in the world knowing they got the best chance we could give them and where loved as the circumstances dictated.
If that's not available
The kids don't eventuate.

I grew up unwanted to a working professional and at the time, single mother. Most of my early years was spent being desperately unhappy for all sorts of reasons as a result and it took a bit to get a come to terms with. While I think I turned out alright and comparatively successful in life, it's not something I think I could willingly inflict on my own child if there was an alternative.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles This is where the dreaded specter of "foreign investment" comes in.

But it's not as if foreign investment is a lock in. It really depends on many risks that the investors are willing to take. It's a little more complex than nation has babies, nation gets foriegn investment, nation good.

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