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Originally posted by thesauce23 lol.. I meant "things are as they are" when i said "it is what it is " referring to your comment about me being straightforward..why sugar coat anything or add/take away from things as they really are? theres no point

but do u think that most other americans would agree with u on the ego/treating ppl like shit explanation you stated to blame for these incidents?

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Originally posted by afterhrsgurl but do u think that most other americans would agree with u on the ego/treating ppl like shit explanation you stated to blame for these incidents?

i dont know if they would b/c i can only speak for myself.. but look at whats in front of you.. most, if not all of these incidents have occured where the gunman was "disturbed" or "an outcast" or was "bullied"..and most of them are young too- under 25 to say the least... how many star athletes or popular people people do u hear about going nuts?

this kid wrote "i've been a piece of shit all my life.. now i'll be famous"... low self-esteem, confidence

besides its a matter of opinion.. for example, some people in the south(ern) states still don't consider blacks as equals.. there goes the ego thing again.

i see...but i think it also might have to do with the life style/ environment ppl live in

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Originally posted by Minhaj HHAHHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHHHA THATS THE GUNMAN? he looks like a emo kunt.

most of them do/are

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Originally posted by afterhrsgurl i see...but i think it also might have to do with the life style/ environment ppl live in

im not too sure about that... see before high school, i lived on the west side of chicago or the inner city and most of the people were 40% blacks,40% hispanics and 20% everybody else mainly white tho. and although it was a more dangerous place to live, being the inner city and where gang activity is as normal as G-ing out at Zone, i found the mentality there was more "dont fuck with anyone and they wont fuck with you"....

then for high school i moved to the suburbs where 70% was white, 30 % was everybody else. and there i found more people were segregated into categories such as the jocks, the "essais", the loners and such... the attitude there was " you're either in or your not"- somewhat like a popularity contest and i found that the suburbs was actually meaner than the inner city..

so based on my experiences, even tho the west side was more dangerous, i was more comfortable there because i knew if i fucked aournd, i'd be dealt with... in the suburbs all you had to do was be popular and life was a breeze.


besides, how many inner city kids you hear about goin on killing sprees?

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Originally posted by thesauce23 im not too sure about that... see before high school, i lived on the west side of chicago or the inner city and most of the people were 40% blacks,40% hispanics and 20% everybody else mainly white tho. and although it was a more dangerous place to live, being the inner city and where gang activity is as normal as G-ing out at Zone, i found the mentality there was more "dont fuck with anyone and they wont fuck with you".... then for high school i moved to the suburbs where 70% was white, 30 % was everybody else. and there i found more people were segregated into categories such as the jocks, the "essais", the loners and such... the attitude there was " you're either in or your not"- somewhat like a popularity contest and i found that the suburbs was actually meaner than the inner city.. so based on my experiences, even tho the west side was more dangerous, i was more comfortable there because i knew if i fucked aournd, i'd be dealt with... in the suburbs all you had to do was be popular and life was a breeze. besides, how many inner city kids you hear about goin on killing sprees?

that's what i meant by having to do with the individual's life style, environment..like you said....you're more likely to have a suburban emo shoot up a school than some inner city kid

lol

I haven't read thru all this but some of those posts are

Inner cities are far more dangerous, shootings are perhaps for different motives but in terms of safety and frequency, there's no comparison.

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Originally posted by Spin Laden lol I haven't read thru all this but some of those posts are Inner cities are far more dangerous, shootings are perhaps for different motives but in terms of safety and frequency, there's no comparison.

ummm we are not discussing the fact that inner cities are far more dangerous...duuuuuh...obviously they are.that's beside the point..but if u look at particular types of shootings that happen where kids randomly go on a shooting rampage, such as at schools and malls in this case and then committing suicide in the end, suburban kids are more likely to do that...inner city crime is a whole other topic (and yes we know that they occur more frequently)so next time read thru all this first

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Originally posted by afterhrsgurl that's what i meant by having to do with the individual's life style, environment..like you said....you're more likely to have a suburban emo shoot up a school than some inner city kid

ahh yea i gotcha. yup. and it relates to what i was saying about that ego thing.

Guns don't kill people.

Americans with guns kill people.

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Originally posted by catinthehat Guns don't kill people. Stupid mother******s with guns kill people.

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Originally posted by catinthehat Naturally, one of the most critical factor's in one's psychological stability.

no but it's defiantly a sign of someone who hasn't been out of their basement in a while.

/didn't read the article

the thread title reads "8 or more gunman killed in mall" , who would've thought that many gunman would be there at the same time!

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Originally posted by phlog the thread title reads "8 or more gunman killed in mall" , who would've thought that many gunman would be there at the same time!

never underestimate the power of American gun nuts in a militia

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Originally posted by afterhrsgurl well if you look at the amount of shootings that happened they are still waay more common in the states than in all the other contries you mentioned combined

probably because they have a larger population base to begin with for starters?

the mass shootings are the result of rants against society, with actions facilitated by many variables: cultural, technological, bullying, marginalization, gun accessibility, mass media exposure to violence, etc.

With the media coverage of these incidents, particularly the internet which allows these murderers to become deeply inspired in absolute privacy, you will probably see more of these atrocities in the future.

The 1989 Montreal massacre (probably one of the worse ones imo) didn't occur when the internet was as prevalent as today. However, and not surprisingly, America is one of the most wired nations in the world. But that's just one of the variables, keep that in mind.

Kids are more marginalized and isolated in western society than in others as well. This is due, imo, to techological factors, as well as social ones. There is a social disconnect within families and communities for sure due to technology (among other factors). Personally, I'm sick of having to email, text, and facebook ppl in my own city even.

It makes you shake your head. That said, the US is still much safer than many countries in the middle east, south america, africa, etc. More than anything else these are copycat incidences.

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Originally posted by phlog the thread title reads "8 or more gunman killed in mall" , who would've thought that many gunman would be there at the same time!

um u might want to read the title over again.. it says "8 + gunman man killed in mall"

that "+" sign means "plus" not "or more".. atleast thats what i was told

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Originally posted by Spin Laden the mass shootings are the result of rants against society, with actions facilitated by many variables: cultural, technological, bullying, marginalization, gun accessibility, mass media exposure to violence, etc. With the media coverage of these incidents, particularly the internet which allows these murderers to become deeply inspired in absolute privacy, you will probably see more of these atrocities in the future. The 1989 Montreal massacre (probably one of the worse ones imo) didn't occur when the internet was as prevalent as today. However, and not surprisingly, America is one of the most wired nations in the world. But that's just one of the variables, keep that in mind. Kids are more marginalized and isolated in western society than in others as well. This is due, imo, to techological factors, as well as social ones. There is a social disconnect within families and communities for sure due to technology (among other factors). Personally, I'm sick of having to email, text, and facebook ppl in my own city even. It makes you shake your head. That said, the US is still much safer than many countries in the middle east, south america, africa, etc. More than anything else these are copycat incidences.

+1

Leading to many individuals who are totally falling into these cracks of the social system, becomming completely unaware, and living their lives in a haze of self-loathing.

In some ways, I want to be angry at this guy, and at his utter stupidity, but the more and more of these that you hear about, you begin to wonder. What worries me is that in the last few years there seems to be a spreading mentality amongst Canadian youth with very similar social problems as exhibited by their US siblings. IMO, it may not be as bad, but we seem to be heading that way ourselves. As people have mentioned, Montreal did have a few of these massacres allready.

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Originally posted by thesauce23 um u might want to read the title over again.. it says "8 + gunman man killed in mall" that "+" sign means "plus" not "or more".. atleast thats what i was told

You missed his point. The title of the thread implies that at least 8 gunmen were killed in a mall, not that a gunman killed at least 8 people in a mall.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur You missed his point. The title of the thread implies that at least 8 gunmen were killed in a mall, not that a gunman killed at least 8 people in a mall.

how does it do that? read it over.. "8 + gunman killed in mall.." 8 plus the gunman.. not 8 plus gunmen.. i know what u mean but clearly the title does not imply that

I think its time to start treating this whole "emo" thing as a condition and start prescribing some MDMA.

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Originally posted by Spin Laden more marginalized and isolated in western society than in others as well. This is due, imo, to techological factors, as well as social ones. There is a social disconnect within families and communities for sure due to technology (among other factors). Personally, I'm sick of having to email, text, and facebook ppl in my own city even.

that's a good point

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur You missed his point. The title of the thread implies that at least 8 gunmen were killed in a mall, not that a gunman killed at least 8 people in a mall.

ummm...wrong...the title doesn't imply that at all..lol

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Originally posted by Lightshow I think its time to start treating this whole "emo" thing as a condition and start prescribing some MDMA.

hahaha i dunno about that...when they start coming down it might trigger them to get even more out of control

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Originally posted by Spin Laden There is a social disconnect within families and communities for sure due to technology (among other factors). Personally, I'm sick of having to email, text, and facebook ppl in my own city even.

The only thing I can see technology disconnecting us from is our natural world. I fail to see how it's broken down our human network of communication, I think that's total bullshit. I'm closer to my friends/family because of technology.

Fuck take this msgboard for example, technology has brought us together not apart.

I think all emo's should be given a shot at love with Tila, what do you guys think?

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Originally posted by Spin Laden I think all emo's should be given a shot at love with Tila, what do you guys think?

the show wont last long cause the first guy/girl to get eliminated will shoot everyone else from rage and depression because of rejection

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Originally posted by jon jon The only thing I can see technology disconnecting us from is our natural world. I fail to see how it's broken down our human network of communication, I think that's total bullshit. I'm closer to my friends/family because of technology. Fuck take this msgboard for example, technology has brought us together not apart.

Some cynics would say it has brought us closer to each other, but at the cost of being less in touch with those who do not share the same interests. They've been supplanted, many will say.

You are one of the fortunate ones technology has benefitted positively. But for every feel-good useage of technology, there is the flip side, where it is becoming increasingly difficult to come into real contact with people. Face-to-face is being heavily replaced/supplemented with token texts, emails, electronic communication if you will. It's not the same thing.

Critics argue that humans are spending too much time in isolation, watching tv, surfing the net, playing computer games rather than spending time with one another in their homes, communities and beyond. Heck, it's even contributing to North American obesity rates. We could debate this endlessly...

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