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| Originally posted by basilisk Double no. What a music is and what we call it are two different things. It just so happens that the popular press (with the help of bigshots like Paul Oakenfold) jumped on a new sound that was coming out in 1994 or so, assigned it the name "Goa trance" by association with the beach parties of India, where hippie ex-pats had been melding different styles of music together to achieve entrancing effects for years already. If we had a time machine and could flash back into the past to hear what was played in Goa in the early part of the nineties it would NOT be what we call "Goa trance" today. In fact, it was a composite of different styles, from Sven Vath to Tangerine Dream, mixed in with old stoner rock, emerging electronic styles, and more besides. When you look throughout Usenet groups and other locales for instances of "Goa trance" in the early nineties period, people are referring to a feeling more than a rigidly defined genre of EDM. That came later, when the UK press juxtaposed terminology with actual sounds (as with the Digital Alchemy compilation) and the term thereby entered into common use and mutated from its original meaning. Technically, it's all "psychedelic trance," but psytrance didn't enter into common usage until people began to get fed-up with how the emerging movement was used and then discarded by the upper crust of EDM culture. When label groups like Flying Rhino began to explore new sonic pathways in 1997 and beyond, they retooled their image and disposed of dated associations with Hindu deities, mandalas, fractals, and all the other trappings that signified "Goa trance" in 1995-1996. In some ways this was a quest for legitimacy; the gravy train had rolled to a stop and it was time to pursue some fresh ideas by that time. Psytrance, in 1997-1999, became the de facto neutralized standard descriptor of the kind of music Flying Rhino, TIP, Matsuri, Blue Room, and other important labels were in the business of promoting. In this time there was a distancing from old terminology, but in recent years the tide has turned, and far from being different things, Goa trance and psytrance are now considered to be one and the same--albeit different in the particulars. To put it bluntly, Goa trance is both a style and a time period within psychedelic trance. |
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| Originally posted by noikeee Thanks for the recommendation, I never heard of The Field, gotta try listening to those tracks. I've heard of Kaito, they're more like very melodic chilled stuff - I'm not entirely sure why is that being labelled as "neo-trance". Glitch+trance would have a bit of problem because glitch is often about coming up with weird, broken patterns that come up unexpectedly, while trance is more about an hypnotic, repetitive layering of synths - these are two opposite approaches to music that could clash badly. However, if one could do a glitchy repetitive loop with loads of those micro-clicks, then build a trance track on top of it, that could be awesome. At least that's the idea in my mind. I wouldn't go with blatant harsh arpeggios, despite the fact that they're pretty much glitchy synths, because I usually dislike them. I wish I had any talent at producing and composing music, so I could take these ideas and make something out of it, heh. |
It was interchangeable throughout the nineties to a certain extent... namely that the vast increase of psychedelic trance listeners were typically brought in by the popularization of "Goa trance," which accounts for how strongly favoured the term was in 1995-1997. Afterwards the tide turns and many listeners began to leave it aside for reasons I mentioned (reclaiming artistic identity, dissociation from marketing hype, not wishing to be boxed in, etc.).
I don't think anything like a critical consensus existed prior to 1994/1995... in 1993, for instance, what do you suppose listeners called Juno Reactor's Transmissions? This is, of course, a defining moment in psychedelic trance, but at the time listeners were calling it "techno" or "trance" or even "ambient techno."
Of course, when you take a trip back to 1994 you find all sorts of amusing rubbish. Case in point:
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| Trance iz being done to death, I'm tired of hearing Leary samplez, McKenna samplez, tribal chantz that sound way too much like Deep Forest and such shite. Mozt of it iz just plain boring...and almost all of it getz praize, even the bad stuff like Juno Reactor. |
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| Originally posted by PETRAN Also i don't think that one needs to know a lot of music theory in order to create an EDM tune (especially one which would contain the word "glitch" in it!). I would say that "technical/engineering" aspects about how synths and music software (like "Cubase" or "logic") work are more important. "Not knowing a lot about music" could be an excuse really!(the real one being "im too lazy to learn the stuff that i need in order to create music"). So, why not buy (download lol) some music software (i would say to start with "reason" which is rather user-friendly), learn a few basic stuff in the net about music theory and provide us with some fantastic "glitch trance" tunes? |
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| Originally posted by basilisk It was interchangeable throughout the nineties to a certain extent... namely that the vast increase of psychedelic trance listeners were typically brought in by the popularization of "Goa trance," which accounts for how strongly favoured the term was in 1995-1997. Afterwards the tide turns and many listeners began to leave it aside for reasons I mentioned (reclaiming artistic identity, dissociation from marketing hype, not wishing to be boxed in, etc.). I don't think anything like a critical consensus existed prior to 1994/1995... in 1993, for instance, what do you suppose listeners called Juno Reactor's Transmissions? This is, of course, a defining moment in psychedelic trance, but at the time listeners were calling it "techno" or "trance" or even "ambient techno." Of course, when you take a trip back to 1994 you find all sorts of amusing rubbish. Case in point: To prove my point, check this out: http://groups.google.com/groups/sea...12&as_maxy=1995 There are only SIX mentions of "psychedelic trance" on Usenet prior to 1996. After that? Hundreds. And of those six? "Pain Emission," an industrial group, two ambient techno compilations, something about magic, a review of Mazzy Star in "Rational Alternative Digital Cyberzine," and one reference to Pink Floyd. "Psytrance" doesn't match a single post. So there we go. |
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| Originally posted by PETRAN i insist that there is not ACTUAL difference when both of them were used (be it 94 or 95) and that both terms referred to the same music/musicians/parties/symbols etc. |
That's the idea.
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| Originally posted by sljiva Goa has been around from 1993, psy from 1998 |
WTF people are you talking about here? Seems like you just waited for someone to say something doubtful so that you can pop up your e-penis and start to show off with your knowledge.
So to clarify the situation: Darkarbiter said "Psytrance has only been around since 1998 approx" (obviously reffering to less melodic and non-indian influenced sound of psychedelic trance) on which PETRAN replied "psytrance has been arround from 1993 or something..." (which is true (although I prefer the term psychedelic trance), but not true in this context, since it would mean that the sound Darkarbiter was talking about (for example let's say the sound of TIP.World or Flying Rhino since 1999) has been around since 1993 (which is simply not true). So basilisk (and others who felt the strong urge to fix the damage I've done with my post), maybe you should've read what was posted before me.
Or, you know, maybe some of us know what we're talking about 
Darkarbiter: Twisted as the first psytrance album--does this claim hold? What about Transmissions, or Eat Static's Abduction for that matter? Both were released in 1993. I think you might have a fight on your hands were you to argue that Twisted has little to do with Goa trance, and likewise, that it somehow preludes X-Dream's Radio (which undoubtedly marks the end of the classic era of Goa trance).
and not to mention that The Infinity Project released a good load of psytrance way before 98.
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