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Female Dj's don't have to be good as long as they show something.

I said this in another thread about the same subject a while bacK;

I do not think women do as well with abstract music, as in instrumental stuff. They do better with song, and vocal based music.

They are terrific at song witting and singing, but not composing. Looking at producers in pop and in EDM, there is a huge gap in the number of good female producers and male producers.

There's not a single female producer I'd rate very highly, so make of that what you wish. There are however countless female vocalists that are amazing.

I just don't think they're too tuned in to what's ground-breaking, cutting-edge etc. Prog house, hard house and trance aren't the most innovative genres, so I don't see how meaningful this discussion could possibly be.

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Originally posted by Orko I said this in another thread about the same subject a while bacK; I do not think women do as well with abstract music, as in instrumental stuff. They do better with song, and vocal based music. They are terrific at song witting and singing, but not composing. Looking at producers in pop and in EDM, there is a huge gap in the number of good female producers and male producers.

Females like vocals more... so they are probably gonna make vocal stuff more often. If for some reason they are making music they don't like they probably aren't gonna be too good anyway.

here's my two cents about female producers/dj's etc, since there are a couple of types of them, actually, no you have two. you have the ones that tries to get through without using their looks or the fact they are women to get booked etc etc. these women will get heavily critised for being crap dj's/producers and will be rated ugly even if they are attractive just because they don't want to demean their selves by playing the game.

then you have the other type, women who use their looks (even to extreme measures like 'portia surreal' who would never get booked normalwise). these women basicly ruin for the first type, especially clueless bints like portia surreal, and girls who just wave their hair and pout their red lips while the tracks aren't mixed properly or even go together at all etc etc. these women don't really do anything for the progress in a really maledominated business, infact they help the blokes out more than the girls.

when it come to production, there is alot of guys who fuel this aswell by helping 'the pretty girl' with their tracks and this helps to fuel the critism that females can't produce and need someone else to do it for them while they are putting on more makeup etc.

you have people like tatana that runs her own label and built a moderatly good reputation as a dj while all her tracks are produced by someone else (just to name some: reverb, andy prinz, dj spoke)

stop me if i'm wrong, but aren't there less female EDM DJs/Producers period?

Re: Theory why female djs and producers are so horrible...

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Originally posted by Ryunosuke After so many years why are 99% of the female Djs and producers in EDM so awful? They've had more than enough time to make their mark in this genre of music. I have a theory about this and I think it especially applies to EDM production since that requires more skill than Djing. Lets be honest here...there ARE cognitive differences between the sexes especially when it comes to the math and sciences. Why do you think so few women go into computer science or mathematics? Just look at the dearth of women in the computer science, mathematics, and engineering departments at most any univeristy Even the president of Harvard acknowledged this when he said there are innate differences between men and women...and this might be one reason fewer women succeed in science and math careers. This clearly ties into EDM production where great deal of technical/computer skill is required in addition to musical skill.

I dont know in what decade you are currently living (atlanta, georgia = redneck usa, and you never know in what century they are)

but if you look closely at statistics, in the vast majority of developed countries, there are more women than men in medecine, engineering, and other such fields at university level

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Originally posted by Orko I said this in another thread about the same subject a while bacK; I do not think women do as well with abstract music, as in instrumental stuff. They do better with song, and vocal based music. They are terrific at song witting and singing, but not composing. Looking at producers in pop and in EDM, there is a huge gap in the number of good female producers and male producers.

Partially true.

The only person who really made sense in this thread is eletrikal.

Culture > Nature
Culture > Nature
Culture > Nature
Culture > Nature
Culture > Nature

Women, in society, are driven towards girlish attitude, in the "industry" wants them to be divas, pop idols, and such. From a very young age, they are conditionned to certain expectations of their gender, just like men are.

They are not worse at music than men

Culture > Nature
Culture > Nature
Culture > Nature

Biologically, there are no cognitive differences

Culture > Nature
Culture > Nature
Culture > Nature


The conclusion of the original poster. Even though his opinion might reflect a reality of music industry today, the difference between men and women in music is not biological (cognitive), it is cultural.

All in all, you are just plain wrong

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery This is the worst thread I've ever seen.

If I had a dollar (or even better, euro) for every time you've said that...

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Originally posted by josh rising your "theory" is dumb as shit, no offense. most of my favorite producers and DJ's are actually females.

Please, name some.

My current favorite DJ happens to be a female.

There are good female DJs across most EDM genres! Here are just a few across the top of my head:

Trance

Sandra Collins

Breaks

Baby Anne used to be good, but when I saw her it seemed that she was lost in the K-Hole...

good locals: Baby Gurl

House

DJ Heather is one of my favorite Deep House DJs ATM. Bumpy, funky Chicago House... mmmm

Colette is another one to check out from OM Records.

good locals: Miss Valentine (Atlanta)

Hard House

Lisa Lashes almost got me into the genre, with her awesome Summer Bangers mix for Mixmag...

DJ Irene... do I need to say much more?

and I'm sure I'm missing lots of good female DJs in DnB and other styles that I don't know intimately.

While I haven't personally seen a bias against local female DJs, I can why we are having trouble adding more females to the line-ups. I generally consider the EDM community to be open and welcoming to new DJs, but what about the club owners and promoters and their "sex sells" marketing mentality? I bet more potential females DJs are turned away by the go-go/pole dancers, flyers depicting scantily-clad women, and the general "stripper" feel to some shows (we've all seen the college nights with the Wet T-Shirt contests, or the "Sexiest Girl wins $500", or the "Ladies' Night" hooks) than by the other DJs, Producers, and fans.

I don't see this trend changing anytime soon, as the current model is still lucrative for promoters. Maybe we can get some female promoters/club owners to push more "girl-friendly" events...?

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Originally posted by Dojomaster26 Hard House DJ Irene... do I need to say much more?

She's fucking awful

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Originally posted by CleverName Your argument kinda contradicts itself. If women are supposedly worse at math and science, wouldn't it be logical to assume they excel in the arts, social sciences, and communication, and by association, music? If you think EDM is the only genre of music that involves math and technology, you've got a lot of reading to do.

Actually, speaking of reading to do, recent research has shown that proficiency with music is more closely related to proficiency with math than any form of art to speak of. I don't mean to demean women, but if in fact they were by nature worse at math (which I don't believe for a second since my mother's got a BS in CS), then they wouldn't be good at music, either.

But more to the point, women can be just as skilled in making music and doing well in the field as men. The main problem is exactly what eletrikal has stated: women are not encouraged to do well in music, and the subculture of EDM is very intolerant of skilled female producers and DJs, as montana has pointed out.

Maybe cognitive differences play a minor role, but even in that regard, I have to wonder, since I hear the cognitive differences have been shown by some to be developmental as much as they are biological.

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Originally posted by Fibonacci stop me if i'm wrong, but aren't there less female EDM DJs/Producers period?

+1

You can't critique something that doesn't provide enough of a "control" for demographics sake, so to speak. The statistics of this argument leave the original poster without a leg to stand on.

Of course, you could make some pretty ugly arguments out of this connotation... but that's merely senseless hating without enough information.

lmao what a load of bullshit

who even said female producers/djs were bad anyway??

DJ Sammy might not be the best producer, but she's got a really good voice.

There are some really good female producers.... I mean, look at Sasha, FFS.

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Originally posted by l�cid DJ Sammy might not be the best producer, but she's got a really good voice.

lol...dammit, you beat me to the punch, I think.

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Originally posted by l�cid DJ Sammy might not be the best producer, but she's got a really good voice.

MIGHT NOT???

I strongly believe every copy of 'Heaven' in the world should be burned

Stupid thread.

Maybe EDM has a low percentage of women because it's full of dinky twerps who like to bloviate about why having testicles makes a person better at music.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Stupid thread. Maybe EDM has a low percentage of women because it's full of dinky twerps who like to bloviate about why having testicles makes a person better at music.

the productions and sets of dj tatana are so great.
also with dj astrid.
and i'm talking only in trance music...

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Originally posted by TranceArmstrong Ellen Allien's album last year and her Fabric mix this year prove this thread wrong

+1

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles dinky twerps

i lol'd.

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