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Originally posted by Fledz Go tell Maor Levi that his music sounds like it's made by a noob and that he will eventually move to a "better" sequencer

Um, ok.

Maor Levi, your music sounds like its made by a noob. You are the cancer that killed trance. Thanks for contributing to the shitty plastic trance era you piece of shit. Now upgrade your sequencer for fuck sakes.



look at this fruity loops usin guidos default myspace pic, with the headline "Trance Stud!~" right next to it. God damnit. It makes me sick.

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Originally posted by mysticalninja Deadmau5 uses fruityloops.

Ableton for mixdowns, according to the interview he did with imageline some time ago..

Ozgur Can also uses FL Ive heard.

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Originally posted by Fledz That's an atrociously bad analogy. My Albino 3 will sound exactly the same in FL or Live, so that breaks your theory right there.

Did you even read about what i said about aftermarket plugins? I'd like to see someone produce a single with ONLY fruityloops instruments and effects.

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Originally posted by catalystG5 Did you even read about what i said about aftermarket plugins? I'd like to see someone produce a single with ONLY fruityloops instruments and effects.

yeah just like everyone who uses cubase, logic or ableton only uses their internal plugins

fl has got a lot of excellent high quality plugins. i really don't know where this all started, but i'm guessing one guy tryied the 2.x demo and fooled around a bit with the plugins and then told everyone they sucked.

on effect side fl has wonderful good sounding great interface fx such as: love philter, flangus and delay bank. and lots of really light on cpu usage, good quality easy to use smaller plugins like their eqs, delay2 and reverb2.

and what comes to it's own synths, mainly ts404 and 3xosc, sure they aren't comparable to commercial big synths. but they are both really light and produce dry signal when you need one. most synths have bunch of fx internally that's one of the main reasons they sound so good, so naturally you gotta add some effects for these two too.
i personally love 3xosc since it's so easy and light, i use it mostly for fx, percs and expecially for bassline, like 80% of time. and a lot of people have asked me how i do my allende basslines since they sound so good.

and that audio engine thing is just as much crap as that sampler debate there was going a year or two ago. there was some site online that tested few sequencers with same vsti and their samplers and didn't find any difference in audio quality on any of them.
just like that "logic's sampler sound worse than cubase's"-debate, which all started when some dumbass had the filter turned on logic's sampler, these things always start from someone's incompetence.

oh and if someone has used fl studio for 5 years and then tryies logic and fells in love with it, that's great! everyone should use the software they are most comfortable with. but that doesn't mean everyone also agrees that logic is better than flstudio if one guy does. i personally have tested more or less all the sequencers just to see what fits best for me. i used logic for a year and i liked it, but i couldn't get as good sound out of it as i can with flstudio, plus it took a whole lot more time to produce. but that was the 5.x version on pc, if i would switch to mac i would definitely give a logic another chance.

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Originally posted by catalystG5 Did you even read about what i said about aftermarket plugins? I'd like to see someone produce a single with ONLY fruityloops instruments and effects.

It's been done here on these boards, although I can't recall who did it. Sounded perfectly fine.

Personally, I think 3xOsc is one of the best synths out there, especially when it comes to basslines. You have a whole lot of control over oscillators, filters, and especially envelopes, and if you're like me and use external effects for everything anyway, then it works perfectly fine.

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Originally posted by thoughtlessjex It's been done here on these boards, although I can't recall who did it. Sounded perfectly fine. Personally, I think 3xOsc is one of the best synths out there, especially when it comes to basslines. You have a whole lot of control over oscillators, filters, and especially envelopes, and if you're like me and use external effects for everything anyway, then it works perfectly fine.

BEHOLD OUR POWER:


I love this synth for white-noise sweeps and effects, basslines, and I've even gotten lucky with leads every now and then.

unfortunately, fruity loops will always be seen as a beginners software package, until its name/marketing is changed. i have never used it but remember when fruity first appeared it seemed to me like a 'ejay' style software that those who used it always aspired to move onto cubase or logic. now i hear music coming out of it that i would imagine coming from a mega expensive studio. it is capable of more than suitable sound quality from what i have heared. but i know logic will rinse the shit out of the mixdown sound quality.


fruity isnt shit, i avoided it because of the image it once had - which had stuck in my closed minded head. now im glad i avoided it because moving to the equally priced cubase sl2.0 meant im fluent in cubase. it's just looked at as a more professional option from what i hear from the majority.

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Originally posted by richg101 unfortunately, fruity loops will always be seen as a beginners software package, until its name/marketing is changed. i have never used it but remember when fruity first appeared it seemed to me like a 'ejay' style software that those who used it always aspired to move onto cubase or logic. now i hear music coming out of it that i would imagine coming from a mega expensive studio. it is capable of more than suitable sound quality from what i have heared. but i know logic will rinse the shit out of the mixdown sound quality. fruity isnt shit, i avoided it because of the image it once had - which had stuck in my closed minded head. now im glad i avoided it because moving to the equally priced cubase sl2.0 meant im fluent in cubase. it's just looked at as a more professional option from what i hear from the majority.

I believe now its called exclusively FL Studio for that very reason, although they still have some of that fruit image.

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Originally posted by mysticalninja Um, ok. Maor Levi, your music sounds like its made by a noob. You are the cancer that killed trance. Thanks for contributing to the shitty plastic trance era you piece of shit. Now upgrade your sequencer for fuck sakes. look at this fruity loops usin guidos default myspace pic, with the headline "Trance Stud!~" right next to it. God damnit. It makes me sick.

all i can say is...

Hah.

A sequencer is a sequencer is a sequencer

You can't just say one is shit, it just isn't true. The simple fact is that loads of professional tance producers use different sequencers, and you would be hard pushed to tell who uses which.

James Holden & Gerry Cueto amongst others use Buzz. That thing is like the matrix to me. I've used loads of sequencers with lots of different producers doing all sorts of stuff. Most of that has never left my cd wallet. I feel most at home using FL5 in the studio with the virus kc nowadays (that is whenever I actually get time ). I certainly wouldn't be able to tell what tracks I produced in which sequencer if I didn't already know through the experience of making them.

-Luke

ps. Maor ftw

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Originally posted by catalystG5 Did you even read about what i said about aftermarket plugins? I'd like to see someone produce a single with ONLY fruityloops instruments and effects.

Haha...hahahahaha

I guess you never heard of DarkSword on here huh? To prove a point he made a killer tune with just FL instruments and effects just so people like you would eat your words....




Edit: I found it just for you.

DarkSword - ALLFRUIT

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Originally posted by gwrmarines Haha...hahahahaha I guess you never heard of DarkSword on here huh? To prove a point he made a killer tune with just FL instruments and effects just so people like you would eat your words.... Edit: I found it just for you. DarkSword - ALLFRUIT

honestly the synths sound like nintendo synths with reverb and delay on them. and not in a good way... because i usually like video game sounds bleeps n bloops and stuff. bad plastic software sound imo.

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Originally posted by lenieNt Force Its not the program, its the person using it.

+1 I've had plenty of programs "recommended" to me but I can't do shite with it if I don't know how to use it. You're better off sticking with what you're familiar with.
Don't give a kid a car he doesn't know how to drive...he'll be much happier with his bike.

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Originally posted by catalystG5 I'd like to see someone produce a single with ONLY fruityloops instruments and effects.

hmm well I did...actually 2...look me up on beatport.

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Originally posted by catalystG5 Did you even read about what i said about aftermarket plugins? I'd like to see someone produce a single with ONLY fruityloops instruments and effects.

wtf? That's a dumb argument if I ever saw one.

Logic = $500
FL ($150) + Komplete Synths ($400) = $550

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Originally posted by Shara Don't give a kid a car he doesn't know how to drive...he'll be much happier with his bike.

+1200

FL (NOW) is more than capable of making awesome tracks, if you know what you're doing. I haven't been producing for very long and have only been using FL for about 18 months, but i've really taken a liking to it.

I don't think it is right to say 'it sucks' or 'it is shit' or words to that effect just because you may not get on with it. I can do practically everything i have wanted/needed to do with a sequencer, from complex mixer routing, layering, grouping, slicing, sidechaining etc etc. Even using hardware is not too difficult to do in FL.

It will definately take some getting rid of the old 'fruity loops' stigma that is attached but the sooner that happens, the better.

Nuff said

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Originally posted by mysticalninja honestly the synths sound like nintendo synths with reverb and delay on them. and not in a good way... because i usually like video game sounds bleeps n bloops and stuff. bad plastic software sound imo.

Then dance is in big trouble, because this seems to be what is coming out of most "pro" producers' studios these days.

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Originally posted by thoughtlessjex Then dance is in big trouble, because this seems to be what is coming out of most "pro" producers' studios these days.

who the hell do you listen too?

All I know is that an artist named "YOB" produced a stellar track named "Big Bag" in a previous incarnation of FLSTudio...

I've been looking all over for tha track, and I was happy to find it again...

Breakfast produces all his stuff in FL Studio and he has had full support for his productions by Ferry, AVB among others. The Sunlight is also in the running for track of the year on ASOT. It can be done, just gotta know what to do...

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Originally posted by lafond1H Breakfast produces all his stuff in FL Studio and he has had full support for his productions by Ferry, AVB among others. The Sunlight is also in the running for track of the year on ASOT. It can be done, just gotta know what to do...

Well.. breakfast's insane... just listen to The Horizon.

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Originally posted by thoughtlessjex It's been done here on these boards, although I can't recall who did it. Sounded perfectly fine. Personally, I think 3xOsc is one of the best synths out there, especially when it comes to basslines. You have a whole lot of control over oscillators, filters, and especially envelopes, and if you're like me and use external effects for everything anyway, then it works perfectly fine.

That was IDarkSwordI, he also made a part2...

I can't believe you guys are still having those discussions about what software is best and that FL sucks. It doesn't matter. Use what You like, and what works for you, If you're not sure, download all of them and try them and buy the one you're gonna use. Any one who has any sort of knowledge and enough experience in producing tracks, CAN MAKE A QUALITY TRACK in any of the modern sequencers. And that's a fact. Most of You will discover this sooner or later. Some of you guys don't even realize how much power You have in your hands. All the vst instruments, vst effect plugins + hardware synths if you wanna go that way or mix both.. I wish i had that when i started 16 years ago, and i only had a atari with cubase without any of that wicked stuff. There was no audio recording in the sequencer, unless you had pro tools - we used multitrack and sequenced everything in real time. We have it so easy now it's not even funny. Quad core\octo core systems that run countless amount of plugins and vsti synths. Anyone can make music this days using those tools, and get very professional results. So stop bashing one another, and bashing different programs/platforms, and get on with the music making. Like I mentioned before... Once you get enough experience You will look back at a post like this and think how immature you were bashing FL or whatever other software, realizing that YOU can MAKE great tracks in any of todays sequencers. (of course we skip stuff like EJAy here)

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Originally posted by DJDIRTY I can't believe you guys are still having those discussions about what software is best and that FL sucks. It doesn't matter. Use what You like, and what works for you, If you're not sure, download all of them and try them and buy the one you're gonna use. Any one who has any sort of knowledge and enough experience in producing tracks, CAN MAKE A QUALITY TRACK in any of the modern sequencers. And that's a fact. Most of You will discover this sooner or later. Some of you guys don't even realize how much power You have in your hands. All the vst instruments, vst effect plugins + hardware synths if you wanna go that way or mix both.. I wish i had that when i started 16 years ago, and i only had a atari with cubase without any of that wicked stuff. There was no audio recording in the sequencer, unless you had pro tools - we used multitrack and sequenced everything in real time. We have it so easy now it's not even funny. Quad core\octo core systems that run countless amount of plugins and vsti synths. Anyone can make music this days using those tools, and get very professional results. So stop bashing one another, and bashing different programs/platforms, and get on with the music making. Like I mentioned before... Once you get enough experience You will look back at a post like this and think how immature you were bashing FL or whatever other software, realizing that YOU can MAKE great tracks in any of todays sequencers. (of course we skip stuff like EJAy here)

Word. People forget that they can expand their daw into the infinite with dx, vst plugins and so forth, no matter what they use... A sequencer is just a sequencer! Its basic principle is just to arrange ffs!

half the tracks released on Kompakt Records are done by FL Studio. Kaito(Hiroshi Watanabe), who happens 2 be one of my fav artist; did Hundred Million Light Years on FL Studio.

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