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Originally posted by RJT Are we really going to equate all pleasures?

Well, it's a perfectly understandable response just to say, "No, because pleasure derived directly from causing pain or death in others is always illegitimate." That's how I tend to feel.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Yeah, I share the same instinctive feeling. But think about it this way: Nobody needs to eat meat to survive. Strictly speaking, the animal deaths caused by the habits of people eating meat are just as unnecessary as those caused by people who torture animals for kicks. Ultimately both groups are causing deaths or pain to animals for the sake of their own personal pleasure, not out of any strict necessity. The only difference is that in the case of the sadist the pleasure comes directly from the pain or death of the animal, while in the case of the meat-eater the pleasure comes from the tastiness of the resulting carcass. But is this difference really all that relevant? Either way, the animal is dying unnecessarily so that humans can add some pleasure to their lives.

Given that we don't need meat to survive, fact is that today the livelihood of millions depends on the meat industry and hence on the slaughter of the animals. So killing animals for food is better off than killing them for sick pleasure.

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Originally posted by tubularbills not really killing, but same idea at least. www.milksucks.com

I think PETA is a plague. In fact, I think the whole obsession of counting and over analyzing the foods you eat to death is a plague. I don't need PETA to tell me what I should and should not eat.

Hell, I don't even want a magazine or article written by some supposed doctor to tell me what I should and should not eat. You only live once so why not indulge in all the dead animals and raped cows you can?!

If I do end up caring about my health to a more serious measure where I want to build healthy bones, muscles and improve my cell growth and repair I'll pick up a quality book and do some research.

omg...

my shenanigans are lighthearted... and fun...

but damn!

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Originally posted by Omega_M Given that we don't need meat to survive, fact is that today the livelihood of millions depends on the meat industry and hence on the slaughter of the animals. So killing animals for food is better off than killing them for sick pleasure.

I was at a conference last year where someone gave a speech that was essentially an argument for exactly what you are saying - effectively that the reason we eat meat is to help support ourselves (something roughly along those lines).

The problem for most environment types is going to be one of the massive environmental implications the meat industry has for the planet - so they'll see any activity supporting it as in fundamental opposition to what they're trying to accomplish. Frankly, I don't really disagree with them - because as far as impact is concerned, the meat industry/industrial agriculture in general is destroying the planet.

Bump because I don't want this thread to die solely because TA broke for a while.

Animals have feelings. One thing is to kill them instantly (because they won't feel pain) and another thing is to torture them (because it's obviously immoral to put them through agony).

D'oh...

I once tortured a squirrel by swearing to him on my still-living mother's grave that I had Hollywood connections and could thus get him a lucrative spot in a Geico commercial. After about a month of jerking his chain, I told him the awful truth - that like the rest of the other squirrels he'd have to gather nuts to feed his family, there was no Hollywood connection. He went home that afternoon and murdered his entire family.


True story.

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Originally posted by Zoso I once tortured a squirrel by swearing to him on my still-living mother's grave that I had Hollywood connections and could thus get him a lucrative spot in a Geico commercial. After about a month of jerking his chain, I told him the awful truth - that like the rest of the other squirrels he'd have to gather nuts to feed his family, there was no Hollywood connection. He went home that afternoon and murdered his entire family. True story.

This thread just got REAL.

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Originally posted by Direct torcher

lol.

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Originally posted by Ygrene This thread just got REAL.

Hey, I'm cerial. What can I say?

why is it okay to kill plants and not animals.....carrots have feelings too.

i would like someone to explain to me why the eating of animals by humans is any different to animals eating animals.

i think the original question is flawed, you can't equate the need for sustenance with the "need" for torture.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i think the original question is flawed, you can't equate the need for sustenance with the "need" for torture.

But you can survive on plants. Nobody needs meat, except in cases when no adequate plant sources are around (a situation that is rare to nonexistent in first world countries).

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles But you can survive on plants. Nobody needs meat, except in cases when no adequate plant sources are around (a situation that is rare to nonexistent in first world countries).

Survival and health are two different things. I could survive on Laffy Taffy and Sprite for quite some time, too.

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Originally posted by Frenchie No. We kill to eat, we don't torture to eat. I don't care if animals are slaughtered to be eaten. I do , however, care if someone just tortures for lol purposes. When an animal gets killed for food, I would hope it doesn't get tortured , if it does then I don't want to know about it.

i agree with u....i think we as humans should be like any other creature on earth and eat meat, i dont see that being wrong, but lets kill animals in the most humane way possible...torture is wrong whether its on a animal or human...we need to be moral and respectful and not savages...

I dont feel bad for eating animals because its not like if we all chose NOT to eat them, they would all band together and build schools and libraries and contribute mass amounts of new found discoveries to us and our culture. Animals are stupid, and if we didnt eat them they would merely overpopulate anyway, which would present a whole new set of problems. Plus most animals would eat us humans too, if they could actually think and strategize. Think the lions feel bad after eating the clueless woodswalker not bothering anything? Hell if they had a choice they would ask for seconds. Now finish your steak.

Oh and I'm not big on torturing animals. Either kill them and eat em or let em be. Thats quite the contrast in choices, I agree.

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Originally posted by jupiterone They are obviously two totally different things. What I hate though is the latest upbringing that killing animals for food is cruel. People have been doing it since the beginning of man. I know this one girl who won't eat or drink dairy products because she believes 'dairy is rape' and 'meat is murder'. So she forces herself to take vitamin complex for the nutrition she lacks from not eating meat or dairy products. People are really ridiculous.

MMmmm, multivitamin. That's fucking hilarious.

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Originally posted by Zoso I once tortured a squirrel by swearing to him on my still-living mother's grave that I had Hollywood connections and could thus get him a lucrative spot in a Geico commercial. After about a month of jerking his chain, I told him the awful truth - that like the rest of the other squirrels he'd have to gather nuts to feed his family, there was no Hollywood connection. He went home that afternoon and murdered his entire family. True story.

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Originally posted by AustralianGQ i agree with u....i think we as humans should be like any other creature on earth and eat meat, i dont see that being wrong, but lets kill animals in the most humane way possible...torture is wrong whether its on a animal or human...we need to be moral and respectful and not savages...

There are issues more pertinent than the welfare of animals: human welfare.

Not everybody in the world is fed, has shelter, a doctor, parents, a healthy body, and animal activists seriously want to "make a difference" in this world? *Sigh*


Let's take care of the human race first before we go racing off to find tortured ameobas and pine needles that need cuddling.

If you're sitting around in your parents basement, eating a family sized pack of lays, listening to Marilyn Manson, wearing the same underwear for 2 weeks, watching re-runs of Star Track, torturing an innocent feeder mouse; chances are your opinion on the matter..doesn't matter.

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Originally posted by wotyzoid If you're sitting around in your parents basement, eating a family sized pack of lays, listening to Marilyn Manson, wearing the same underwear for 2 weeks, watching re-runs of Star Track, torturing an innocent feeder mouse; chances are your opinion on the matter..doesn't matter.

there goes your chance...

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Originally posted by wotyzoid Star Track

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