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lol. there is something when people who live and breath psytrance says IM and Skazi aren't psytrance

Ill bet Drew is fucking KILLING himself wish he was here in Toronto for this!! HAHA

No doubt.

:))

Ok, first of all, everyone has their own taste in music, and i don't think it's fair that you guys are judging any of the djs!!! If you don't like them, you can simply say it's not your style and go to another freakin party!!
Also, Basilisk and Shankar, you guys should know better! Just because you attend and dj at psy parties in Toronto, doesn't mean you know it all and that you've seen it all! you consider yourself "modern hippies", but you go around bashing other dj's and their music...how would you feel if somebody did that to you?? where's the love.. ??? )))) hheh it's just funny to see you guys being so proud of knowing so much about psy, commenting, and telling other people what's good psy and what's bad, when u still have a lot to learn too!
I've been to psy parties all over man, and to tell you the truth Toronto is on the bottom of my list, and hey thats just my personal choice!!!
Just wanted to say that you guys probably listened to infected and skazi at one point, same as me, but as you get to know the music and the art of it, you learn about other djs that you start favoring more, so it's not nice to trash talk them just because u learned a few more dj names than that!

Anyways, this party should be fun, and to all of you who like psy and who know psy and who would like to get to know it, should come to see Shane Gobi on feb.9th at the Reverb!! and no i'm not a promoter....

peace

if only...

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Originally posted by �Zm�zis if only...

Ahh, no worries....we'll bring him too

Re: :))

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Originally posted by psy goa fan Ok, first of all, everyone has their own taste in music, and i don't think it's fair that you guys are judging any of the djs!!! If you don't like them, you can simply say it's not your style and go to another freakin party!! Also, Basilisk and Shankar, you guys should know better! Just because you attend and dj at psy parties in Toronto, doesn't mean you know it all and that you've seen it all! you consider yourself "modern hippies", but you go around bashing other dj's and their music...how would you feel if somebody did that to you?? where's the love.. ??? )))) hheh it's just funny to see you guys being so proud of knowing so much about psy, commenting, and telling other people what's good psy and what's bad, when u still have a lot to learn too! I've been to psy parties all over man, and to tell you the truth Toronto is on the bottom of my list, and hey thats just my personal choice!!! Just wanted to say that you guys probably listened to infected and skazi at one point, same as me, but as you get to know the music and the art of it, you learn about other djs that you start favoring more, so it's not nice to trash talk them just because u learned a few more dj names than that! Anyways, this party should be fun, and to all of you who like psy and who know psy and who would like to get to know it, should come to see Shane Gobi on feb.9th at the Reverb!! and no i'm not a promoter.... peace

With all due respect, Toronto's scene is fairly new. Every party we see more and more people come, and you know what - they enjoy it quite alot! Who knows, maybe Toronto psy parties will go up on your list with time. Now, with regards to Skazi and IM and Yahel, etc... I appreciate all artists, and yes, IM had a big part in developing psy sounds. However to say that IM and Skazi (especially Skazi and Yahel) is psy trance now, is to say that Metallica is disco. Im not against these artists performing and playing. They should be playing within their own habitat- rock, together with acts like Tool or Nine Inch Nails or Nirvana. That is their niche. But to mislabel their genre of music to trick the mass audience into thinking that they are something they are not is a crime. And you know, if only it was my opinion. The fact of the matter is that I speak on behalf of 70-80% psy scene around the globe that shares the same point of view. And the fact that most of Toronto's psy promoters and attendees think the same, only points out on how evolved and intelligent our scene is here. Skazi has nothing to do with psy Trance. IM used to have to do with psy but no longer the case. Yahel...well, he's not even close to psy. Never really been.

Look, Skazi started out as a basement metal band. It is not a secret. Suddenly they discover psy trance and get this small idea in their monkey brains "hey! We can make some $$$$$! We never succeeded in Metal...we will succeed here by remixing Nirvana tracks (I suggest you contact the record labels to verify if they ever got permission)!" Ok fine, so you climb to your pinnacle of success. Please be humble about it, for god sakes. Please show you are actually putting an effort into your show, and not just jumping around with guitar aimlessly across the stage. Perform! Do what you get paid for! Well, instead, what we see today is a bunch of arrogant rock band members fooling with the minds of the audience who think they get top quality psy trance, while in fact they are getting the most cookie-cut, commercially produced, redundant music on this planet. I mean c'mon, mixing in rap and an occasional pre-looped guitar stabs with overdone psy kicks and selling it as psy-trance? Hell, Britney Spears is more creative!

Like Psy Goa Fan said, if you feel like attending a nice psy party, check out Shane Gobi on Feb 9th, and by all means, I was never against Skazi and IM performing in Toronto, but just so everyone knows - this is not a psy trance event. End of story.

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Shane Gobi

Yea he's sick
but reverb

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They should be playing within their own habitat- rock, together with acts like Tool or Nine Inch Nails or Nirvana. That is their niche. But to mislabel their genre of music to trick the mass audience into thinking that they are something they are not is a crime.

Skazi play buttrock-goa. Rock influenced psy. Which doesnt mean that it is not psy. Ofcourse it has way more from psy than from rock, so i think it is reasonable to call it psy. Like look for example psy and goa are different styles too. But lets say filteria would come and they would call it a psy trance party. I dont think they would be unreasonable...

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speak on behalf of 70-80% psy scene

Thats a bad argument. Thats like saying pvd is not cheesy because 90% of people say he is not cheesy.


PS on topic skazi clip

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Originally posted by �Zm�zis Infected and Skazi own pysch trance...

wow are you serious?

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Originally posted by Shankar Ahh, no worries....we'll bring him too

Just on a side note if anyone is interested there's a good book on the origins and some of the events in Goa leading to the popularity of Psy/Goa Trance:

http://www.amazon.com/Psychedelic-W...99811171&sr=8-1

To deny the important influence of the electric guitar on the birth of Goa Trance is to deny the entire history of the genre. And yeah you're ideas of what Goa and Psy stand for will be pretty rocked after reading this book, I'm almost done it.

ok so we can clarify the last couple of pages Shazi+Yahel play wat kind of music?????.....Psy-trance???....y does Shazi have a guitar??? im guessing hes a live act as well???......wtf?.....

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Originally posted by mahalliner To deny the important influence of the electric guitar on the birth of Goa Trance is to deny the entire history of the genre. And yeah you're ideas of what Goa and Psy stand for will be pretty rocked after reading this book, I'm almost done it.

See, I never disagreed that guitar had influenced Goa trance in a certain way. Of course it did. After all it descended from Psychedelic Rock. Its a so well-known fact, its basically undeniable. However, that rock guitar was utilized in a COMPLETELY different way from the way it is being utilized in nowadays "psy" rock, is also a fact worth agreeing to. Guitar was meant to blend in with depth of a track, in so creating....a harmony of some sort, I'd say. When you had electric guitar, a wide variety of synths and a great deal of percussion, the music became hypnotic and brought a lot of people close enough to the phenomena of "Trance Dance". Today the guitar is DEFINITELY standing out from the harmony of music. In our current example, Skazi, you may notice that guitar is playing perhaps the main role in tracks. It is pre-looped, re-sampled with a bunch of effects layered on top that your ears are ready to pop-out of your head. All is fine and dandy. If only...yes, if only it was as psychedelic (hence the name Psy trance) enough to make the audience get into that true hypnotism that was intended originally with the music. Instead what we see is a bunch of people going to a rock concert to see a "rock band" that is not even loosely associated with psy trance. Neither by music, nor by the behaviour. The only association that is present here is that they (for some strange reason) get labeled as psy-musicians. Overall, psychedelic music needs to be ORGANIC. It needs to have vast amounts of sounds, atmosphere, percussions to make a person listening to it feel hypnotized and relaxed. That is why open air parties are so important. Now compare that description to Skazi's music. Any similar?

Here's a review of his latest album by a leading psy-review website.
Hope that helps to prove my point abit.

http://www.psyreviews.net/index.php...d=322&Itemid=46

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Originally posted by Shankar http://www.psyreviews.net/index.php...d=322&Itemid=46

That was one hell of a review.he said it like the way it is really.and at the end he did gave the album 7/10 lol


p.s. psyreviews rocks

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Overall, psychedelic music needs to be ORGANIC

No it doesnt. Only goa is more or less organic sounding. full on psy and dark psy are not organic at all.

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Originally posted by Vanos No it doesnt. Only goa is more or less organic sounding. full on psy and dark psy are not organic at all.

There's some organic full-on out there. And Dark psy as well.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer That was one hell of a review.he said it like the way it is really.and at the end he did gave the album 7/10 lol p.s. psyreviews rocks

It definitely does!

I'd disagree on Psy needing to be organic. What I'm getting from this discussion is the idea that trance isn't trance anymore. Most of Goa and Psy along with more 'mainstream' trance doesn't really do what it's name suggests it should anymore. Very rarely do I hear a mix, either psy, goa, or from the wider trance genre which just makes me zone out like some of the old stuff does. A build and break-down in less than 5 minutes doesn't do it for me. Sure most tracks in Goa/Psy are still quite a bit longer but Trance in general has radically changed from what it was 10 years ago. Is it still 'Trance'? If the question is does this sound like trance from a decade ago then no it's not 'trance'. Yes Skazi use guitar a little more freely than say IM did/does and certainly a lot more than anyone before in Psy, but to say because it's not Psy puts it outside anything else because I doubt you'd find anyone in the Metal community who'd call it metal. It's cross-over but it's origins in Metal and Psy are very evident. I'm sure you could put these guys up at any metal bar or any EDM club and hear the same debate from either side. Psy for me never induced trance dance, or any real deep state of trance. It always feels/felt too mechanical (that's not to say robotic and rigid) to go into trance the same way Goa makes me. That's just my thoughts, I welcome any disagreements people may/will have.

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Originally posted by Shankar See, I never disagreed that guitar had influenced Goa trance in a certain way. Of course it did. After all it descended from Psychedelic Rock. Its a so well-known fact, its basically undeniable. However, that rock guitar was utilized in a COMPLETELY different way from the way it is being utilized in nowadays "psy" rock, is also a fact worth agreeing to. Guitar was meant to blend in with depth of a track, in so creating....a harmony of some sort, I'd say. When you had electric guitar, a wide variety of synths and a great deal of percussion, the music became hypnotic and brought a lot of people close enough to the phenomena of "Trance Dance". Today the guitar is DEFINITELY standing out from the harmony of music. In our current example, Skazi, you may notice that guitar is playing perhaps the main role in tracks. It is pre-looped, re-sampled with a bunch of effects layered on top that your ears are ready to pop-out of your head. All is fine and dandy. If only...yes, if only it was as psychedelic (hence the name Psy trance) enough to make the audience get into that true hypnotism that was intended originally with the music. Instead what we see is a bunch of people going to a rock concert to see a "rock band" that is not even loosely associated with psy trance. Neither by music, nor by the behaviour. The only association that is present here is that they (for some strange reason) get labeled as psy-musicians. Overall, psychedelic music needs to be ORGANIC. It needs to have vast amounts of sounds, atmosphere, percussions to make a person listening to it feel hypnotized and relaxed. That is why open air parties are so important. Now compare that description to Skazi's music. Any similar? Here's a review of his latest album by a leading psy-review website. Hope that helps to prove my point abit. http://www.psyreviews.net/index.php...d=322&Itemid=46

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Originally posted by mahalliner I'd disagree on Psy needing to be organic. What I'm getting from this discussion is the idea that trance isn't trance anymore. Most of Goa and Psy along with more 'mainstream' trance doesn't really do what it's name suggests it should anymore. Very rarely do I hear a mix, either psy, goa, or from the wider trance genre which just makes me zone out like some of the old stuff does. A build and break-down in less than 5 minutes doesn't do it for me. Sure most tracks in Goa/Psy are still quite a bit longer but Trance in general has radically changed from what it was 10 years ago. Is it still 'Trance'? If the question is does this sound like trance from a decade ago then no it's not 'trance'. Yes Skazi use guitar a little more freely than say IM did/does and certainly a lot more than anyone before in Psy, but to say because it's not Psy puts it outside anything else because I doubt you'd find anyone in the Metal community who'd call it metal. It's cross-over but it's origins in Metal and Psy are very evident. I'm sure you could put these guys up at any metal bar or any EDM club and hear the same debate from either side. Psy for me never induced trance dance, or any real deep state of trance. It always feels/felt too mechanical (that's not to say robotic and rigid) to go into trance the same way Goa makes me. That's just my thoughts, I welcome any disagreements people may/will have.

See, acts like Skazi and IM and Astrix and even Eskimo are not organic. IM been more fitting into the description of real psychedelic music just over a decade ago. No longer the case.

But if you take acts like:

Braincell (http://www.saikosounds.com/english/...?artist_id=6090)
or Tetrameth (http://www.saikosounds.com/english/...?artist_id=5128)
or Shadow FX
(http://www.saikosounds.com/english/...?artist_id=5127)
or even Lemon Slide (http://www.saikosounds.com/english/...?artist_id=9390)

All these artists and more use alot of harmony in their tracks. Listen to the depth that each and every track present here. You can also hear the live instrument elements present here (especially in Lemon Slide). There's definitely mechanic psy music out there. There's lot of it, actually. But there's also quite alot of organic psychedelic music. Unfortunately its the mechanic stuff that gets around much quicker and easily. I suppose you can't call Skazi metal either, but to call him psy is to get all the concept wrong. Juts by having generic psy kick in his tracks doesn't make his tracks psychedelic. I guess you can call his music...Top 40 Dance then.

uh huh.....

uh huh.....

uh huh.....

This thread got so eff'n INTENSE! lol


The new "trance" vs. "prog war"! ...

"psy trance" vs. "NOT psy trance" !!!

Lol, I've seen some much more intense fights than this lately. But yeah it's brutally difficult to build a description or definition of a musical genre then fit different artists into it. Some will always be in several genres while some might more exactly fit the definition of one genre alone.

BTW that whole Prog vs Trance discussion say 6-7 years ago totally fucked me up. I couldn't understand what all the fuss was for so long.

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Originally posted by �Zm�zis Infected and Skazi own pysch trance...

Infected (DJ Set) = psy trance

Infected (Live) = rock trance

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced Infected (DJ Set) = psy trance Infected (Live) = rock trance

If only they'd do more DJ sets. I mean IMs recent stuff (ie Converting Vegetarians, IM the Supervisor, etc) is good but their best work is Classical Mushroom and BP Empire and they never play any of that stuff when they tour (at least not here).

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