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Originally posted by Clovis Sounds like a good time...

lol and what would this thread be without a dose of clovis's sarcasm?

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Originally posted by bucke lol and what would this thread be without a dose of clovis's sarcasm?

Not a tiesto thread on TA, thats for sure.

Despite all of the negatives I mentioned, I still had a great time. I was lucky to score a spot two rows away from tiesto. If I was any further back, I'm sure I would have been miserable. Yeah it was so packed that it was impossible to dance, but there was more of a concert vibe anyway. You need to keep in mind that combining Tiesto and NYE would always result in an insane event. I heard that that TAO has the same problem...

By the way, other than youtube and the giant website, does anyone have any cool pics or vids they'd like to post?

regardless of all that went on...i still had a blast....but i guess im a tiesto junkie.....seen him over 20 times around the world...

cool pic i took of Sanchez's stage:

1. VIP was a complete waste of money. Got in just before 10PM and the line was already 30 min for a drink.

And the bartenders were just letting people cut who would tip them. So in the end of it, open bar means....drinks go to those that want to pay for them. Why would they not post a security guard to handle that?

2. Tiesto was Horrible! Same old anthems mixed with a bit of progressive avery few track. One of the few guys that will get away playing the same crap for the rest of his career. Never moving forward.

3. The sound and production was much better in the roger sanchez room. There was no bass and to much treble in tiesto's tent. And the sound from the 3rd tent was going directly into the back end of the tiesto tent creating a slap sound that was just stupid. I spent most of my night in sanchez's tent and waiting in line

4. def not worth 175. for a vip ticket, for the biggest Dj in the world on the biggest party night all year, i would expect much better.

5. However i still had a blast with all my friends being out and them not having high expectations and thinking that was the best night of their lives. Fun seeing all those people have a blast liek that

Great sanchez pic!

Some thoughts on the event.

- Tiesto was predictably rubbish, playing "the hits" rather than new material. Robbie Rivera's set was also an orgy of boredom. The nearly hour long stoppage by the fire marshal merely underscored the farce in the main tent.

- Roger Sanchez was absolutely sublime. Brilliant stuff. The atmosphere in his tent was the way it ought to be. Great sound quality and great track selection and virtually no muppets in tent number 2.

- The price of admission for VIP proved to be far too much. Next time the promoters might consider a few better and less costly DJs for what they probably paid Tiesto.

- The drink lines were another issue. Next time they should put those in a heated tent since people had to wait out long lines in the cold in order to get a drink; often watching people jump to the front because they previously bribed the bartenders with massive tips.

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....often watching people jump to the front because they previously bribed the bartenders with massive tips.

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And the bartenders were just letting people cut who would tip them.

Well kids, that's kinda how that works. As a former bartender and bar manager I can tell you that $2.13/h doesn't pay the rent. And I'll even go so far as to tell you that if you're not tipping good luck getting another drink......

Look at it this way -- If some other guy was gonna give you $5 to wash his car and I was gonna give you $100, who's car would you wash?

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Originally posted by midwestdancer Well kids, that's kinda how that works. As a former bartender and bar manager I can tell you that $2.13/h doesn't pay the rent. And I'll even go so far as to tell you that if you're not tipping good luck getting another drink...... Look at it this way -- If some other guy was gonna give you $5 to wash his car and I was gonna give you $100, who's car would you wash?

that is a pretty stupid philosophy.

The bartender may get a $20 tip from the few he let come up and get drinks, but the entire line that was fed up watching him do it just stiffed him. doesnt make much sense if you are trying to make money

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Originally posted by midwestdancer Well kids, that's kinda how that works. As a former bartender and bar manager I can tell you that $2.13/h doesn't pay the rent. And I'll even go so far as to tell you that if you're not tipping good luck getting another drink...... Look at it this way -- If some other guy was gonna give you $5 to wash his car and I was gonna give you $100, who's car would you wash?

so basically you're say people wasted their money with vip?

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Originally posted by HotDogWater so basically you're say people wasted their money with vip?

i estimated that between the free drinks + water and 10 minute wait to get in the VIP entrance, it was probably breakeven on the $80 cost over GA tix.

at Giant Village this summer probably came out ahead on the drinks part

hey does anyone know where I can find the pics for this event? I saw about 4-5 photographers in the main room the whole night and the only one I found pics from was the one who upped their pics to the Giant website but I can't save them because they are on a flash thing and I want to save a few! Please let me know where I can find the pics. I checked pubdisrict and didn't see any there either!

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Originally posted by midwestdancer Well kids, that's kinda how that works. As a former bartender and bar manager I can tell you that $2.13/h doesn't pay the rent. And I'll even go so far as to tell you that if you're not tipping good luck getting another drink...... Look at it this way -- If some other guy was gonna give you $5 to wash his car and I was gonna give you $100, who's car would you wash?

Growing up in LA and in the US, I have a tipping mentality where we feel obligated to tip.

But it's funny, when you go to Europe and places like Spain the bartenders and taxi drivers don't expect or feel like a tip is obligatory. They feel like they should get a tip only if they went above and beyond their call of duty.

I would tip em anyways.

I got to Giant Maximus around 9ish. There were no lines at the bar, but an hour later it was a hell no. The bathroom line was pretty long, but the security looked the other way if you wanted to go behind the Andy Gump luxury restroom truck. =)

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Originally posted by HotDogWater so basically you're say people wasted their money with vip?

I'd say it was more like everyone's extra money spent for VIP was flushed down the world's fastest toilet like one-ply tissue from the 99 cent only store without a plunger in site and with all the plumbers on strike, but everyone has their own interpretation...

An explanation, apology and some kind of way to make it up is in order, but I have a giant hunch that it may never come...

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Originally posted by midwestdancer Well kids, that's kinda how that works. As a former bartender and bar manager I can tell you that $2.13/h doesn't pay the rent. And I'll even go so far as to tell you that if you're not tipping good luck getting another drink...... Look at it this way -- If some other guy was gonna give you $5 to wash his car and I was gonna give you $100, who's car would you wash?

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Originally posted by djjoshuaallen that is a pretty stupid philosophy. The bartender may get a $20 tip from the few he let come up and get drinks, but the entire line that was fed up watching him do it just stiffed him. doesnt make much sense if you are trying to make money

Thing is thats the way it works.

From the small things like tipping, to the major things that the lobbyist pull out of there ass to get bills passed or denied.

Sad, but thats the way the world is. "Money makes the world go round" right?

On that note, i wont lie i was one of the people that was pulling 5/10's out every time i got drinks. There was no way i was going to wait in line.

I think the only line i waited in was the porta potty behind roger sanchez tent, i think i waited like 5 mins to use it. The good thing about that was that i spoke to Cedric Gervais most the time i waited

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Originally posted by Nerologic Thing is thats the way it works. From the small things like tipping, to the major things that the lobbyist pull out of there ass to get bills passed or denied. Sad, but thats the way the world is. "Money makes the world go round" right?

I think the point was that by letting people cut in line, he was costing himself a lot of tips from people who got cut in front of.

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Originally posted by Hypersky Some thoughts on the event. - Tiesto was predictably rubbish, playing "the hits" rather than new material. Robbie Rivera's set was also an orgy of boredom. The nearly hour long stoppage by the fire marshal merely underscored the farce in the main tent. - Roger Sanchez was absolutely sublime. Brilliant stuff. The atmosphere in his tent was the way it ought to be. Great sound quality and great track selection and virtually no muppets in tent number 2.

By going on reputation and club owners I know that he's played for, Sanchez is very particular about his setup, especially the sound quality of the PA system. It also makes sense they would try harder with the quality for him, as tiesto plays coarse big room trance and sanchez is a lot more refined.

Roger Sanchez blew the roof off his tent That place was going off. Had a lot of fun in there

The event was horrible just horrible. I will absofuckinglutely never ever go to another event organized by these morons.

SIX DOLLAR BOTTLED WATER?! REALLY?!

ROUND OF DRINKS WAS SIXTY FUCKING DOLLARS!

TIESTO PLAYED FOR 45 MINUTES THEN WAS CUT OFF?! WTF ARE THESE CLOWNS FUCKING SMOKING?!

Worst new years ever. Tiesto pwn's and I am still a fan, but let's be real this event was total shit.

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Originally posted by knowname SIX DOLLAR BOTTLED WATER?! REALLY?!

Actually cheaper than last year.

Giant Village and last year's Giant Maximus were both much better organized. Probably not much they could've done about the Fire Marshal. No excuse for overselling VIP and the way overpriced water though.

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Originally posted by Nerologic Thing is thats the way it works. From the small things like tipping, to the major things that the lobbyist pull out of there ass to get bills passed or denied. Sad, but thats the way the world is. "Money makes the world go round" right? On that note, i wont lie i was one of the people that was pulling 5/10's out every time i got drinks. There was no way i was going to wait in line. I think the only line i waited in was the porta potty behind roger sanchez tent, i think i waited like 5 mins to use it. The good thing about that was that i spoke to Cedric Gervais most the time i waited

Are employers/bar owners in Cali allowed to include expected tips in an employees salary? I know some bartenders in Cali who make BANK because they are lucky enough to make over the Cali (or SF City) minimum wage and then get big tips on top of it. Not sure what the laws here are, but I'm curious!

I always tip accordingly at bars. Simple drinks, simple tips. Complex drinks, complex tips. Take care of me, you get taken care of in return. I remember when me and friend years back hit up a bar in SF 3-5 nights a week and before we pretty much stopped going there, we could drink $70-$100/night EACH (oh the good ole days) and on some nights our cards would just be handed back to us, and on others we'd be charged like $12 ($10 was the min charge for a card there). We just made sure to take care of the tips, lol. Stopped going there because two of the three cool bartenders left (for better jobs) and the other only worked like once every two weeks and never knew when!

Anyhow, in other countries you are right. And in some other coutries (ie. Japan), tipping is culturally rude (many take it as you trying to give them money to work harder next time). Still think the weirdest thing in Japan is how you don't leave a place with your glass (beer) empty...always leave with the glass full!

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Originally posted by knowname The event was horrible just horrible. I will absofuckinglutely never ever go to another event organized by these morons. SIX DOLLAR BOTTLED WATER?! REALLY?! ROUND OF DRINKS WAS SIXTY FUCKING DOLLARS! TIESTO PLAYED FOR 45 MINUTES THEN WAS CUT OFF?! WTF ARE THESE CLOWNS FUCKING SMOKING?! Worst new years ever. Tiesto pwn's and I am still a fan, but let's be real this event was total shit.

well correct me if i'm wrong but didn't Tiesto still play around a total of 3.5 hours? i thought the 'break' was around 20 minutes and then he played the rest of the nite....

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Originally posted by Cool1g well correct me if i'm wrong but didn't Tiesto still play around a total of 3.5 hours? i thought the 'break' was around 20 minutes and then he played the rest of the nite....

This thread is getting old!!!

Time to look to the rest of 2008

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Originally posted by DaveT Are employers/bar owners in Cali allowed to include expected tips in an employees salary? I know some bartenders in Cali who make BANK because they are lucky enough to make over the Cali (or SF City) minimum wage and then get big tips on top of it. Not sure what the laws here are, but I'm curious!

California state law does not allow 'tip credit'. Minimum wage is $8/hr as of 1/1/2008.

http://www.dol.gov/esa/programs/whd....htm#California

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