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I wasn't talking about the media representations of drug-abuse (like the herald sun's articles on kryal etc), i was talking about my personal experiences, and my friend's experiences with the drug-crowds at events-- i think the media presentation of the situation is bullshit, but i think it is a bit fucked-- it's true that alcohol can be just as bad, or worse than some party drugs (e, speed, weed etc), but these weren't the drugs i was talking about anyway: i'm talking about the growing use of the harder drugs that are making crowds violent etc (G & ice in particular)

I think people are going too far with the whole getting munted.

I used to do way too much shit, and it just makes you angry and sleazy after a while. At least with alcohol, you can quite easily be within your limits. With uncontrolled substances, you often can get more than you thought you would.

I (now) think meth is a terrible drug, and I'll never go near it or anyone on it again.

Pills I think are fine maybe once every few months (twice a year probably), and only ever one or two (not 5+). I dunno if we have seen the full effect of what pills may do to us later in life, so maybe its better to play it safe......

I have to say that even though I'm fairly young iv seen a lot for my age and as much as I would love to support the culture that says f*ck to the media and drugs aren't all that bad (a room full of people who have done a pill or two is much more fun than a room full of angry drunks lol).
I find that its so much easier for people to become lost and overshoot their limits with illegal drugs compared to alcohol.

And with the whole alcohol has much more reported incidents than drugs, I accept that it is a fair and true statement but I would be interested to see what happens if all these drugs that are currently illegal where as readily available as a VB?

If you can't party without drugs or excessive amounts of alcohol, and enjoy it, then I'd be asking why.

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Originally posted by T-Soma I have to say that even though I'm fairly young iv seen a lot for my age and as much as I would love to support the culture that says f*ck to the media and drugs aren't all that bad (a room full of people who have done a pill or two is much more fun than a room full of angry drunks lol). I find that its so much easier for people to become lost and overshoot their limits with illegal drugs compared to alcohol. And with the whole alcohol has much more reported incidents than drugs, I accept that it is a fair and true statement but I would be interested to see what happens if all these drugs that are currently illegal where as readily available as a VB?

again, i was more talking about not pills, but the increasing use of harder drugs at events--

i agree with you tho, but not my issue...

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Originally posted by T-Soma And with the whole alcohol has much more reported incidents than drugs, I accept that it is a fair and true statement but I would be interested to see what happens if all these drugs that are currently illegal where as readily available as a VB?

in holland there is little to no difference in the number of incidents related to shroom/pot use compared with australia

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Originally posted by eRRaTiK If you can't party without drugs or excessive amounts of alcohol, and enjoy it, then I'd be asking why.

Can confirm.

Watch what you say guys, Herald Sun reporters could be frisking this site right now for their next article!

This thread is relevant and interesting:

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...04&forumid=1&s=

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN right. so coz you cousin vinny smoked a few too many bowls (and couldn't handle it) we should outlaw it? i could point to just as many responsible users of pot, so its really not a proper argument. hell, there are people that should never touch any substance, period. i could point you in the direction of people that had bad experiences with aspirin.

through my dad i know countless Lawyers, Doctors, Psychiatrists, Engineers who smoke weed regularly and are perfectly functioning members of society. 9 out of 10 scientists agree Alcohol and Tobacco are the two most dangerous drugs in the world

my mum works at concord hospital, the amount of people she has to look after that have had their esophaguses cut out and their stomachs stitched up to their throat so that they can only eat pre chewed mush for the rest of their life because theyve had too many ciggies is disgusting (just one of many cancers this hard drug causes). these selfish ******s are putting billions of dollars of stress on the public health system (much more than the tax revenues for cigs collect) hooked up to life support so that they linger on with zero quality of life when the plug should be pullled and ciggertes made illegal.

i realise you can make the argument about pot smokers with cancer aswell but weed isnt full of the chemicals that ciggeretees have (and consequently the repurcussions on the body arent anywhere near as bad) and ive met quite a few dim witted stoners in my time but never have they smoked the equivalent of a pack a day

ps. not condoning hard drugs like ice or heroin at all, that shits just as fucked up

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Originally posted by Fpcookie in holland there is little to no difference in the number of incidents related to shroom/pot use compared with australia

I heard they have the lowest drug-usage in the world, and most of the use there is thru the tourists... but yeah, not sure where i got that from

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Originally posted by tathi through my dad i know countless Lawyers, Doctors, Psychiatrists, Engineers who smoke weed regularly and are perfectly functioning members of society. 9 out of 10 scientists agree Alcohol and Tobacco are the two most dangerous drugs in the world

not disagreeing, and since this thread appears to have gone off topic, here's a rant--
it's rly hard to know whether tobacco & alcohol are worse than pills for example because the legal substances have had extensive studies done, incl long-term ones exploring it's effects: no such tests exist for pills: in 20 years we could all drop-dead- could be slowly poisoning us etc...

edit: that was a big edit...
the diffrence is massive with recovery services between the drugs for sure (from care for long-term smokers, as you mentioned, down to drunks who take up hospital beds at nights in emergency just cause they're wasted)
back to festivals tho: with the od's at kryal, who took up the entire hospitals repiratory machines (who the fuck has less than 10 machines?? XD)-- this also caused a large waste of tax-payer money: think they wanted richie from hardware to pay for the bills

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Originally posted by EgosXII it's rly hard to know whether tobacco & alcohol are worse than pills for example because the legal substances have had extensive studies done, incl long-term ones exploring it's effects: no such tests exist for pills: in 20 years we could all drop-dead- could be slowly poisoning us etc...

I'm not going to argue with the lack of extensive studies, duration, etc. however what I don't understand is for the drugs (tobacco/nicotine and alcohol) that we DO HAVE extensive research about why they're still widely available and not classed as highly dangerous to society. It'a definitely not in the best interest of the general public that these things can be bought over the counter anywhere with valid proof of age.

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Originally posted by eRRaTiK I'm not going to argue with the lack of extensive studies, duration, etc. however what I don't understand is for the drugs (tobacco/nicotine and alcohol) that we DO HAVE extensive research about why they're still widely available and not classed as highly dangerous to society. It'a definitely not in the best interest of the general public that these things can be bought over the counter anywhere with valid proof of age.

Regardless of morality, without alcohol and cigs, our economy would literally collapse.

Hence, the goverment is attempting to gradually fade-out cigarette sales over the next two decades, until eventually there are none.

The only problem is that there are still 14 year old dip shits taking it up...

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Originally posted by Beat Blog Hence, the goverment is attempting to gradually fade-out cigarette sales over the next two decades, until eventually there are none.

what planet are you on? that'll never happen.

I love smoking. I miss it so much.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN what planet are you on? that'll never happen.

Why do you say that?

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Originally posted by eRRaTiK I'm not going to argue with the lack of extensive studies, duration, etc. however what I don't understand is for the drugs (tobacco/nicotine and alcohol) that we DO HAVE extensive research about why they're still widely available and not classed as highly dangerous to society. It'a definitely not in the best interest of the general public that these things can be bought over the counter anywhere with valid proof of age.

trying to make illegal anything that has been a big part of society for so long, probably isn't going to go down well...

alcohol isn't that bad for you so long as you're sensible

also pretty much everyone knows the effects of smoking now and education has decreased the number of smokers, and making it illegal might reduce that even further, but there'd still be a large number of people looking for ways to get their fix...

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Originally posted by gumble At least with alcohol, you can quite easily be within your limits. With uncontrolled substances, you often can get more than you thought you would.

some people dont have limits with alcohol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

or even if they do it still makes em scitz it.

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Originally posted by eRRaTiK It'a definitely not in the best interest of the general public that these things can be bought over the counter anywhere with valid proof of age.

if you can say that, then I assume you don't stand for democracy...

the great thing about tobacco is that people have the information/know how bad it is for them, but the choice is still there for them: i quite enjoy a calming smoke every once in a while, or while wasted on pills (double dose of badness ) the best people can do for defense against pills is claim ignorance: i.e: "as far as i know, there are no long-term side-effects"

about the whole banning tobaco thing, i think it'd just be a big step backwards: the use of any form of drug should be run thru some sort of governed body (controlling contents etc (which cigarettes are)), and the people should be made aware of the side-effects, and then let to run wild
i think there would be far fewer OD's, and possibly even less use (even if it's more use, at least it's safer, and bodies would be in place to control consequences) if all drugs were legalized--

but that's just a dream

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Originally posted by MiSSyM some people dont have limits with alcohol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! or even if they do it still makes em scitz it.

I meant that you are served / buy standard drinks, you can be resposnible by knowing how much you are drinking.

You don't often know how strong a drug is before you take it.

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Originally posted by Beat Blog Why do you say that?

australia isnt the kind of country that would ban smoking, that's all. its fairly entrenched in our society, and asides from smokers, there'd still be opposition to a ban from liberals and civil libertarians etc.

the topic is too polarising for any politician to touch it. and i dont know exactly which level of government we're talking about anyway, if its a state's right... well, you get the picture.

it's an unwarranted infringement on the right to be a dickhead what's next? motor vehicles? junk food? stupidity?

if smoking is ever banned in australia, it will be well after we're all dead.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN australia isnt the kind of country that would ban smoking, that's all. its fairly entrenched in our society, and asides from smokers, there'd still be opposition to a ban from liberals and civil libertarians etc. the topic is too polarising for any politician to touch it. and i dont know exactly which level of government we're talking about anyway, if its a state's right... well, you get the picture. it's an unwarranted infringement on the right to be a dickhead what's next? motor vehicles? junk food? stupidity? if smoking is ever banned in australia, it will be well after we're all dead.

I don't kid myself and think it will be made illegal any time soon, but I think it will beaten down to the point til it's about as popular as smoking of tobacco in pipes is these days...almost nonexistent.

my mate and i were so going to bring pipe smoking back in.

i still use a pipe to smoke..... other stuff

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Originally posted by gumble i still use a pipe to smoke..... other stuff

Cock?

yep, im a raging fag.

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