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Posted by Dr. DAS on Jan-03-2008 18:44:

quote:
Originally posted by EvilTree
to white people, brown people all look the same?


If it 'aint white, it 'aint right!


Posted by rabbitjoker on Jan-03-2008 19:16:

quote:
Originally posted by MarkT
my question is why the journalist refers to the entertainment district at all.


I used to live at 168 Simcoe Street and trust me - it IS the entertainment district.

Furthermore - having lived at the corner of Richmond and Simcoe for two years - it gots pretty wacky late at night when the only people walking the streets are drunk & high (and in Chicago).

We often had randoms walking into our condo building and starting trouble - to the point where on Fridays and Saturdays we had to hire an extra security official to patrol the building (one at desk + one on patrol).

I'm surprised that something like this didn't happen earlier.


Posted by StereoPrincess on Jan-03-2008 19:48:

I think what Mark is trying to say is that it wasn't a club, it was an apartment building. So saying rape in clubland is a bit misleading. rape in apartment building is much worse in my opinion.


Posted by StereoPrincess on Jan-04-2008 17:28:

They caught the two guys that did this in Brampton.


On Thursday, January 3, 2008, members of the Sex Crimes Unit arrested two men for the Sexual Assault. Both men were located in Brampton.



Gursimran Singh Sandhu, 22, charged with:
1) Sexual assault causing bodily harm,
2) Forcible confinement

Gurnishan Dhillon, 20, was charged with:
1) Sexual assault causing bodily harm


Posted by MarkT on Jan-04-2008 18:42:

excellent.

damn 905'ers...always ruining "clubland" in one way or another. (sorry, couldn't resist).

sex crimes are one of the few areas where I advocate for severe punishment/retribution sentencing simply for the sake of punishment/retribution.

there is no defense at all for this type of crime. with a bar fight, there could be provocation...fraud/theft, some sort of financial desperation...whatever...you know what I mean.

There is little that can justify or mitigate a violent sexual assault and I imagine that it's devastating for most victims.


Posted by Jayx1 on Jan-04-2008 21:39:

quote:
Originally posted by activate
140 Simcoe St is the corner of Richmond and Simcoe. It's a condo, but it's right in the club district.


Sounds like a a sexual assault in condo-land to me.

Wait a minute. Thats pretty well all of toronto in the next few years.


Posted by Dr Satan on Jan-04-2008 21:57:

quote:
Originally posted by EvilTree
like I said many times, the primary purpose of media is to make money


and brainwash the masses.


About this story... it says she was led to the corner by the 2 men... so i assume she knew them briefly or they were talking to each other previously for her to follow them into the corner... in that case... she should consider herself lucky all they did was cup a feel... i guess she figured they were just going to make out


Posted by MarkT on Jan-05-2008 01:42:

^^^ no details yet, I guess...but they were charged with the more serious "sexual assault causing bodily harm" and not simply "sexual assualt".

i'm guessing it was more than groping her in a corner and then leaving.


Posted by ShadoWolf on Jan-29-2008 02:41:

http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_....html?id=264952

quote:


National Post
Saturday, January 26, 2008

Club district no party for fed-up residents

Downtown T.O.
Zosia Bielski, National Post Published: Saturday, January 26, 2008

Friday night in Toronto's Entertainment District: Under the floodlights and closed-circuit cameras that now watch over the troubled neighbourhood, a mounted police officer gallops down an alley, dispatched to yet another brawl.

Officers cluster at nearly every corner, patiently enduring the blustering machismo and insults of boozed-up young men. "F---the popo," one yells.

Along Pearl Street, three teens bellow "We're VIP," as one grabs at his crotch. On Peter Street, a driver with Goodfellas limo service politely asks a group of girls staggering into his car if they need vomit bags.

He grimaces when they decline the bags. Such is the controlled chaos of clubland circa January, 2008. At its peak, 67,000 revellers choke its streets and narrow laneways, with just 60 officers deployed to manage them. With 87 nightclubs jammed between Queen, Wellington, Spadina and Simcoe streets, it is the most densely saturated club district in North America. But by many accounts, these are the final days of clubland -- at least as many thousands of drunk teens have known it.

Condominiums are sprouting up across the neighbourhood, including Ivan Reitman's Festival Tower at the corner of King and John streets and another residence being built on the lot where the Joker nightclub once stood.

Residents are increasingly fed up -- and vocal -- as powerful stereo systems, brawls and gunshots routinely shake them from sleep. Police overtime is reportedly set to balloon to close to $2-million in the district this year, and local councillor Adam Vaughan has made it his mission to make club owners pay a portion.

Mr. Vaughan has declared war on club owners, and last month successfully prodded the Alcohol and Gaming Commission of Ontario into joining a working group that will try to increase safety in the area.

''We're about to turn a corner, but it hasn't turned that corner yet,'' Mr. Vaughan says.

''It's been a crescendo of problems. The hope is it's peaked and we're about to get a handle on the situation. New development is taking care of some of the clubs -- new condos, property owners, residents, other businesses in the area, all these groups pushing for us to get a handle on the situation, and not wipe out the club industry but just make it safe for everybody, including the people going to the clubs.''

On the other hand, many revellers have grown tired of being corralled by police horses and told to shove off, especially after dropping thousands of dollars on VIP booths and bottle service.

"People don't like the hassle of police walking around telling you to get off the road," says Jeko Riapov, 23, a Scarborough construction business owner who says many local twentysomethings have abandoned the area in favour of a new district growing on King Street west of Spadina Avenue.

By all appearances, the original Entertainment District is a still a much sought-after weekend destination.

Last Sunday at 2:30 a.m., Richmond Street West was lit up like rush hour, lined with cabs, chartered buses and limos; the latter mostly ferrying teens in from the surrounding Greater Toronto Area, proving cheaper than cabs.

Police patrolling the neighbourhood say limos are creating two new problems: Fights are now erupting between groups of teens who line the sidewalks waiting for their limos at the end of the night. Police are also investigating limo drivers who are letting liquor flow in their cars, the result being teens who descend on the bars already drunk.

It is just one of myriad challenges facing officers in the area. Last year, police tallied at least 171 assaults and robberies, as well as two fatal shootings and one fatal stabbing.

This month, two Brampton men were charged with sexual assault causing bodily harm after a woman was violently attacked in the elevator of a Simcoe Street condo tower. Last April, a man was stabbed five times outside the DNA Lounge on Adelaide Street West. Two months later, three people and a police officer were stabbed after a fight broke out in a nearby parking lot.

Every weekend, 52 Division fills its 20 cells, sometimes overflowing to 55 Division. The men will remain locked up for at least four hours, or until they sober up.

"They'll go non-stop like they're out of their minds for two or three hours. We get teenagers to young adults to professionals," says Staff Sergeant Shaun Narine of 52 Division.

By many police accounts, the revellers are getting nastier. The bullpen, a bleak concrete room in the bowels of 52 Division, now routinely fills up with women: "cat fights" are a growing problem, says Sergeant Ed Lamch of the division's primary response unit.

He also says some party-goers have taken to attacking police horses, which now wear face shields.

Knives are an increasing concern, although only a handful of clubs have installed metal detectors, despite a recent bylaw amendment requiring all clubs to install detectors or equip staff with security wands.

On this Saturday night, Staff Sgt. Narine helps co-ordinate approximately 60 officers, including a bicycle crew and a nine-horse mounted unit. The first trouble spot is in the Duncan and Pearl streets area, where pubgoers start fanning out on to the streets earlier than clubbers just before last call.

Five men holler and lurch in the middle of the road. Nearby, a girl slides limply to the ground outside Grace O'Malley's.

"There's a few drunks wobbling around," radios Staff Sgt. Narine, requesting officers to the corner. Within minutes, six officers and two horses appear on the scene, quickly outnumbering the teens, who disperse.

Twenty-five minutes later, down a narrow laneway between industrial Victorian buildings, the mood tenses up. Outside This is London, Charles Khabouth's plush nightclub, a well-dressed man has been ejected for rowdiness: "I work hard! I have a $1,000 tab in there!" the man yells at a bouncer. His friend spits profanity at the same employee, who eventually responds by clocking him in the side of the head.

Feet away, four teens abandon a car they have parked haphazardly outside the club: Staff Sgt. Narine suspects the driver was drunk and surprised by the four officers who appeared on horseback in the laneway.

But his concern mounts as he recalls Jan. 9, when a similar scene ended with the driver fetching a handgun from his car, then threatening a bouncer. He later finds one of the teens trying to jump into a teenage girl's limo as she screams for police.

"On some nights, it's relatively quiet and the number of police can do the job with no problem. On other nights it is crazy and the police struggle to keep up," says Wayne Scott, chairman of the King-Spadina Residents Association. The group wants club owners to help pay for enforcement and clean up through a business licence fee.

"Our neighbourhood is trashed by people who have no vested interest in the community," says Mr. Scott, who is unsettled about the prospect of another club district taking hold west of Spadina. "We are trying to make sure that doesn't develop the same kind of character that the Entertainment District did."

Mr. Riapov, 23, says King Street West is gaining popularity because it is precisely everything the Entertainment District is not: "There's no trouble in the clubs, the category's older, there's no traffic."

He and his friends now opt instead for such posh lounges as Century Room and Cheval on King Street West, as well as Musik at Exhibition Place.

"That's where the big money gets spent," says Mr. Riapov, whose party will often spend close to $4,000 on a night out. He does not go out unless he receives bottle service, which he usually arranges with a club owner the day before.

On weekends, a 26-ounce bottle of vodka can cost up to $260, and depending on the number of bottles ordered, a waitress will sit with patrons and mix their drinks in a private booth.

The reality of an even larger, more dispersed club district divided by Spadina Avenue is not an option welcomed by police, who worry that it could be much more difficult to patrol.

"We could use our resources for something else than the Friday, Saturday night drain," Staff Sgt. Narine says.

A nearly naked bridal party stumbles by, going coatless to save money and time on coat check. Even on the coldest nights, young women can be seen shivering down the dark alleys, often in broken heels.

"Now you see why I don't want my kids coming down here," Staff Sgt. Narine says.

Copyright � 2007 CanWest Interactive, a division of CanWest MediaWorks Publications, Inc.. All rights reserved.


Posted by Dr. DAS on Jan-29-2008 13:39:

Fuck you, Adam Vaughn. Fuck. You.


Posted by Jayx1 on Jan-29-2008 15:31:

Funny how they make Muzik out be the a solution. And guess who the landlord is for Muzik? None other than the city of Toronto!!

My guess is that the city wants it's condo money and will offer their own clubs as a solution.

And fattie is "unsettled" about a new district forming. Well ive been in that area. Those arent clubs, they are lounges/bars. All i can say about them is zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


Its too bad that no one heeded my warning 5 years ago when miller was first elected, when i saw this unfolding


Posted by The Highroller on Jan-29-2008 15:45:

Wow, that article was bullshit, boardering on absolutely ridiculous. "Residents being tired of being woken up by gunshots"? Talk about sensationalist journalism.

They don't want a highly dense club district, but they also don't want a dispersed club district. What's the solution then? No more clubs?

I like how the author trashes the club district, and then bigs up King St. where people are spending $4000 bar tabs. What about the younger/less wealthy population?

Toronto is an affluent city with lots of highly skilled workers. Young professionals like cities that are fun. I know that when I graduate from university, if the unlikely event happens that all the anti-clubbing politicians get their way, I'm definitely moving out of the city.


Posted by Jayx1 on Jan-29-2008 22:31:

Its not so unlikey.

And as i said. Politicians want you to go to muzik so they can profit from the rent. They want the clubs where you can drop $4Gs. Why? Because they go there all the time with their friends.

As I say about Circa. It's Mayor Miller's and Adam Vaughan's new trendy art gallery in waiting.


Posted by _EuG_ on Jan-30-2008 02:51:

Time to bring back the rave scene


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