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Posted by crazedonee on Feb-21-2010 00:29:

i heard so much about nexus too when i tried it i was very disapointed when i found out it was just a rompler like a few years ago .

I like synths where you can create your own sounds like absynth or V- station.

if you want to create your own sounds id stick with vanguard.

maybe try reaktor.

Posted by tehlord on Feb-21-2010 00:31:

quote:
Originally posted by vikernes
Just to clarify; Nexus is not only a rompler. It's a also a fullblown synth, but they chose to hide the tweaking part, because well... they make much more money selling expansions that way

So it's a rompler then

quote:
Originally posted by vikernes

Instead, the cutoff does nothing on most patches

Unless you switch the filter on

Posted by atxbigballer1 on Feb-21-2010 04:53:

I have and use both!

Posted by KilldaDJ on Feb-21-2010 09:19:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ KaRiM NeT
you can't compare Oranges with Weed.

LOL

Posted by Nightshift on Feb-21-2010 09:33:

quote:
Originally posted by KilldaDJ
LOL

+1

Posted by vikernes on Feb-21-2010 11:01:

quote:
Originally posted by tehlord Unless you switch the filter on

If the sound was already sampled with a closed filter, what would switching on another filter do einstein?

Posted by tehlord on Feb-21-2010 12:50:

quote:
Originally posted by vikernes
If the sound was already sampled with a closed filter, what would switching on another filter do einstein?

Ooohhh you're right.

I feel SOOoo silly now.

Posted by IceColdWater on Feb-21-2010 13:43:

Think of Nexus as a Trance-In-A-Box , basically most of the sounds that you need to make that trance sound can be found in Nexus and it's expansions. Nexus is a rompler , which means it loads sounds from it's ROM. You can't manipulate the sound to a great extent , but only do simple stuff like ENV mods or filter cutoffs.
But that also mean your gonna sound like everyone else who uses Nexus. Thank god there are producers who don't do that , or else we are gonna go like "Hey didn't I head that epic lead somewhere?"

Vanguard , on the other hand is a construction kit , which means the bricks are laid there for your hands to get dirty on. Vanguard is a Subtractive Synth(It's still a Synth) , so any sound that is produced from the init patch can be morphed to anything that does not exceed the power of Vanguard. But of course , Vanguard still has presets. Think of it as calling the contractor because you don't know how to lay the bricks!

That's all.

Posted by adi_hanson on Feb-21-2010 16:11:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
Its not about the synth, its about the time you're willing to invest to discover its true potential.
Vanguard at first sounded like an overlysynthetic piece of crap to me. But after 2 years of using this synth (among many others) I can guarantee you it deserves a position in your line up for softsynths. Remember, the simpler the sound the more flexible its application.

Exactly.

I love vanguard.It does sound very metallic but with much tweaks you can get some really good stuff out of it.Nexus I can say is more difficult to use as you cant push the envelope like vanguard.

Posted by Prototrance on Feb-21-2010 22:57:

Vanguard = great for plinky plonky plucky stuff.
I've used Nexus once at a mates house, didn't like the lack of control - but I didn't spend too long on it so it's probably not a fair review. But it did have some very nice trancy sounds.

My concern with Nexus is everyone and his dog has it, couple this with limited editing and everone sounds the same. Now, I know many many people have Vanguard too, but I don't use the presets so hopefully avoid sounding too similar to other artists - as far is possible. I cringe when I hear a well known preset on a track, there is a really obvious Vanguard one on Simon Patterson 'Us', he even left the LFO modulation on it which is the real signature of the preset.

Posted by DJ Robby Rox on Feb-21-2010 23:54:

I love how people claim you can't be original with Nexus. Makes me wonder if they ever used the synth.
Creativity isn't anchored soley to the amount of parameters a synth has, in fact, creativity is an infinite representation of the mind upon whatever tool is used to explore it.
If you use Nexus, creativity is being limited by your mind, not the synth, so stop blaming the synth because it doesn't have enough parameters thats preposterous.

"I'm more creative then you because my synth has more knobs" uhhh no you're not, you're just an idiot.
Remember, creativity is determined by the mind not the number of knobs you can twist. Thats def called scarcity thinking, "I can't be creative because I don't have 5000 parameters", how about "I can't be creative because I'm not creative". Sounds a lot more accurate to me.

Posted by KilldaDJ on Feb-22-2010 06:49:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
"I'm more creative then you because my synth has more knobs" uhhh no you're not, you're just an idiot.
Remember, creativity is determined by the mind not the number of knobs you can twist.

Posted by cryophonik on Feb-22-2010 08:41:

Yeah, let's have a bitchfest about Nexus! Nobody's ever done that. It sucks, it's a rompler and romplers suck, you'll sound like everybody else and it sucks, Tiesto uses Nexus and he sucks....blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah...

....and then let's do it all again next week, shall we?

In Vanguard news, here is Mike's (reFX) most recent response regarding Vanguard 2 over on the reFX forums:

quote:
Sadly it's taking way longer than expected (as always). We're currently finalizing the alpha (still no GUI). Release is planned for summer.

Posted by tehlord on Feb-22-2010 09:49:

quote:
Originally posted by cryophonik
Yeah, let's have a bitchfest about Nexus! Nobody's ever done that. It sucks, it's a rompler and romplers suck, you'll sound like everybody else and it sucks, Tiesto uses Nexus and he sucks....blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah...

....and then let's do it all again next week, shall we?

In Vanguard news, here is Mike's (reFX) most recent response regarding Vanguard 2 over on the reFX forums:

I thought the quote was going to be :-

'Yes, Vanguard 2 WILL also be a r0Mpl3R'

Posted by TranceLover007 on Feb-22-2010 16:15:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
Creativity isn't anchored soley to the amount of parameters a synth has, in fact, creativity is an infinite representation of the mind upon whatever tool is used to explore it.

I have to admit that this statement make a lot of sense - agree.
Use what you need to use to feel comfortable in creating your music.
You mind should be the limit not your program - if this is the case than you are all right. This is only IMO.

Cheers

Posted by Zak McKracken on Feb-22-2010 17:35:

so nexus=virus now?

Posted by Morvan on Feb-22-2010 18:26:

Posted by Prototrance on Feb-22-2010 22:14:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
I love how people claim you can't be original with Nexus. Makes me wonder if they ever used the synth.
Creativity isn't anchored soley to the amount of parameters a synth has, in fact, creativity is an infinite representation of the mind upon whatever tool is used to explore it.
If you use Nexus, creativity is being limited by your mind, not the synth, so stop blaming the synth because it doesn't have enough parameters thats preposterous.

"I'm more creative then you because my synth has more knobs" uhhh no you're not, you're just an idiot.
Remember, creativity is determined by the mind not the number of knobs you can twist. Thats def called scarcity thinking, "I can't be creative because I don't have 5000 parameters", how about "I can't be creative because I'm not creative". Sounds a lot more accurate to me.

I take it most of this was aimed at my post? If not, I apologise now.

I think what you say is true to a point. But I fail to see why more opportunity for sound generation & modulation can in anyway not allow for more creativity.

If what you said was absolutely true we wouldn't need any synths beyond an old school one Osc monophonic synth because our innate creativity would do the work for us.

To bring us back on track, anyone can sound like anyone else if they just use presets, as Nexus is a Rompler/synth I believe it is more limited in it's potential for original sound creation than a pure synth used to create your own patches.

Just my opinion, play nice

Posted by Eric J on Feb-22-2010 22:28:

ut some of the stuff on Trax and DJAX Upbeats

quote:
Originally posted by Prototrance
If what you said was absolutely true we wouldn't need any synths beyond an old school one Osc monophonic synth because our innate creativity would do the work for us.

Really, you don't need anything more than this. This music started with a couple of guys and a 303, a 808/909 and crappy Radio Shack mixer. That's ALL it was back in the Chicago/Detroit days. Check out some of the stuff that came out on labels like Trax or DJAX Upbeats. A beat and an acid line was all you needed to move the dance floor.

Modern production standards may have changed over the years, but the need to do more with less is what is at the heart of this music. Always has been.

Posted by RichieV on Feb-23-2010 02:09:

honestly don't understand how anyone could find Nexus useful. I'm actually surprised that so many of you publicly admit to using it. If you use Nexus, you are a hack or extremely lazy.

Posted by kitphillips on Feb-23-2010 03:15:

Re: ut some of the stuff on Trax and DJAX Upbeats

^^^
This.

quote:
Originally posted by Eric J
Really, you don't need anything more than this. This music started with a couple of guys and a 303, a 808/909 and crappy Radio Shack mixer. That's ALL it was back in the Chicago/Detroit days. Check out some of the stuff that came out on labels like Trax or DJAX Upbeats. A beat and an acid line was all you needed to move the dance floor.

Modern production standards may have changed over the years, but the need to do more with less is what is at the heart of this music. Always has been.

Yeah, and thats great, but if you wan't more tonal colours for your palette, then you need better synths. I think people want to hear more than just straight acid house these days, a whole set of it would probably make me run screaming. Even in those days, acid house was usually played with a bit of other stuff thrown in like old disco edits and stuff.

Posted by Eric J on Feb-23-2010 03:56:

Re: Re: ut some of the stuff on Trax and DJAX Upbeats

quote:
Originally posted by kitphillips
^^^
This.

Yeah, and thats great, but if you wan't more tonal colours for your palette, then you need better synths. I think people want to hear more than just straight acid house these days, a whole set of it would probably make me run screaming. Even in those days, acid house was usually played with a bit of other stuff thrown in like old disco edits and stuff.

The point I was addressing was that people can and do make creative music with just 1 oscillator monophonic synthesizers. Korg Polysix is one example of a one oscillator synth that has a very wide palate.

And while the acid house type stuff may not be your cup of tea, there is plenty of that type of stuff going on in other genres that's rocking clubs all over the world.

Posted by kitphillips on Feb-23-2010 04:24:

No no, the old acid house stuff is precisely my cup of tea. But I still hold that theres no excuse for releasing poorly featured synths in this day and age, and I still maintain that they are limiting to creativity, and useful only for new producers who feel threatened by a real synth.

What I was saying was that no producer is going to want to spend all day every day making acid house. Its nice to have some variety. And for that you need versatile synths.

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