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haha they certainly cleaned up their mess fast

US is not on the calendar this year?

nope. US GP has been discontinued.

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Originally posted by Trance Nutter its not, they're heat shield type things the line across the top is a fin, the bottom left is a hole. The shield helps with extracting hot air from the brakes, more efficient than just having an open wheel. Similar to the ones they have on tha back except those just have a narrow centre hole. They atarted using them last year. I think they look incredibly stupid done up to look like the wheel.

+1

I think these wheel cover brake cooler things are fucking retarded. Just allow them to make the brake ducts bigger ffs!! These look like the shitty wheel-covers on some budget rent-a-car.

And re; The US GP - somebody needs to get some money together and host the US GP at Mid-Ohio, Elkhart Lake WI, Road Atlanta or Laguna Seca. These are top quality road courses that would be great for F1 in the US. Laguna will never happen though due to the hippies complaining about the noise. This has already put the MotoGP races there in jeopardy. Mid-Ohio, Elkhart Lake or Road Atlanta would be great. They just need to re-surface the track and add some more run-off space.

The main objector to this might be the ChumpCar series since they wouldn't want to be seen as slower than F1 cars since they bill themselves as the pinnacle of motorsport in the US. Sure, for a US domestic series that logic works - but not against the best of the best. Hell, the F3000 cars are probably quicker.

Ferrari topped testing today, Massa doing qualy-sims and putting a much quicker time than everyone else, and Raikkonen doing long runs and still being slightly quicker than everyone else.

The surprise was the brand new Williams with Rosberg, 3rd quickest overall behind the Ferraris, matching the McLarens on the long runs.

Also surprisingly BMW sucked today, with Heidfeld complaining about balance problems in the car, while Toyota seem to be fucked as well. Red Bull didn't impress neither.

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Originally posted by noikeee Ferrari topped testing today, Massa doing qualy-sims and putting a much quicker time than everyone else

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Originally posted by denys envy i like massa's chances this year.

w00t!

Times today:

Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:11.000 92 *
2. Massa Ferrari (B) 1:11.662 81 *
3. Raikkonen Ferrari (B) 1:11.850 108 *
4. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:12.076 115 *
5. Nakajima Williams-Toyota (B) 1:12.255 93
6. Alonso Renault (B) 1:12.360 111 *
7. Rosberg Williams-Toyota (B) 1:12.493 117 *
8. Webber Red Bull-Renault (B) 1:12.594 87 *
9. Heidfeld BMW-Sauber (B) 1:12.976 51 *
10. Vettel Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:13.015 63
11. Glock Toyota (B) 1:13.129 95 *
12. Kubica BMW-Sauber (B) 1:13.230 121
13. Bourdais Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:13.307 118
14. Sutil Force India-Ferrari (B) 1:13.409 98
15. Trulli Toyota (B) 1:13.547 96 *
16. Barrichello Honda (B) 1:14.588 36 *
17. Kogure Honda (B) 1:16.954 40

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I believe Kova's superlap was on lower fuel and Mac-Ferrari are both about matched, or even with Ferrari quicker. There's some info around that Massa's best lap was at the end of a 9 laps stint, for example. And Ferrari haven't tested their full new aero package yet (altho it's likely many teams will introduce new elements to their cars as well).

Williams confirms they are here for real, close to Mac and Ferrari.

Renault aren't bad and close to the top teams as well.

BMW are fucked. There seems to be some confusion on who drove the 2008 car today, Heidfeld or Kubica, either way the car is a big disappointment.

Red Bull seems coming better a bit now but they haven't really impressed yet.

Honda had an absolute disaster of a first day, the car having lots of problems and being massively slow.

Toyota:

Good time for Sutil in the Force India IMO.

Toro Rosso are doing fine with an updated 2007 car.

Super Aguri aren't testing again and the rumour is they are in serious money trouble. I hope they'll still make it to the grid.

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Originally posted by denys envy w00t!

fancy your chances, the bookies put him 6 to 1 or even a bit higher

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MADRID, Spain -- British Formula One driver Lewis Hamilton suffered racist abuse from Spanish fans during testing at the Montmelo circuit in Barcelona, Spanish media reported on Sunday. Reports in a number of papers said the McLaren driver was booed and insulted whenever he made his way from the team motorhome and into the pits on Saturday. The correspondent from sports daily Marca said that racially charged comments aimed at the black driver were clearly heard and he said that large sections of the crowd was involved. "It is not right the way he is being treated," McLaren test team manager Indy Lall was quoted as saying. Marca said that the circuit director asked for fences to be put up around the McLaren paddock and ordered the removal of banners that had been put up opposite the team's base. Daily La Vanguardia also said the circuit director had reminded fans of their obligations at the venue. "We would like to make a plea to the fans to behave correctly, no type of offensive behavior can be tolerated," circuit director Ramon Pradera was quoted as saying in the newspaper. Hamilton, who finished runner-up in last year's championship, has become a hated figure in Spain because of his rivalry with former McLaren teammate Fernando Alonso, who now drives for Renault. Incidents of racism have plagued Spanish sport, in particular soccer, in recent years.

It's sad some of the Alonso supporters had to stoop this low to show how much.

that is a fucking shame. Alonso needs to make some sort of appeal to his fans

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Originally posted by verndogs It's sad some of the Alonso supporters had to stoop this low to show how much.

Racist ass holes. All because they were too stupid to see that Alanso got beat fair and square.

This coupled with the news papers, and the Spanish Sporting Director making unpleasant comments him self, this seems like a culture more than a few fans.

Strip Spain of at least one GP. If they want to hate on a great driver so much, don't let them watch it.

Ferrari is going to ruin the field this year.

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The world champion�s best lap of 1m30.595s was two seconds faster than the best effort recorded during last year�s race weekend at Sakhir as he completed a full grand prix simulation.

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=41734

And its true!

2007 Bahrain GP Fastest Laps
Friday 1st Practice - Kimi R�ikk�nen Ferrari 1:33.162
Friday 2nd Practice - Kimi R�ikk�nen Ferrari 1:33.527
Saturday Practice - Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:32.543
Qualifying - Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:31.359 (Q2)
Race - Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:34.067 (L 42)

See Ferrari have improved on their race pace by 3.5 seconds, and improved over their qualifying time by a second!

apparently Massa last year during testing in Bahrain had 1.29.XXX

Bahrain times vary too much depending on the weather conditions (like stren said, Massa did a 1:29 in testing, then in the GP the best times were 2 seconds slower). I don't think those are any good for judging whether the new Ferrari is quick or not.

Couple of new cars have been presented, latest the Force India, looks like a bad attempt at putting "bling" into a F1 car. I like the Honda's new look, although testing has proved that car is seriously slow.

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Originally posted by noikeee I like the Honda's new look, although testing has proved that car is seriously slow.

Sweet. I would love to see Toyota and Honda both leave F1 due to such poor performance.

I'd be with you if there'd be new independent teams queuing up to take their place. Since the idea of customer cars died, nobody's willing to spend the massive budget needed to start an F1 team from scratch, to almost certainly spend years as a backmarker. And I'd rather have soulless manufacturers like Honda and Toyota with different cars, than independent teams running more McLarens and Ferraris.

Guys, i'm looking for some advice...

I've been watching F1 on tv since 2003 so a friend and i have decided to attend a GP this year (our first) but don't know which one would be best. I'm in the UK and were looking to stay inside Europe but we don't want to go to the British one.

Im currently in my last year of university, so can only go after i finish. i.e. after June 1st to the following circuits (non-european excluded):

Round 8 - 22nd June - France, Magny-Cours
Round 9 - 6th July - Great Britain, Silverstone
Round 10 - 20th July - Germany, Hockenheim
Round 11 - 3rd August - Hungary, Hungaroring
Round 12 - 24th August - Europe, Valencia
Round 13 - 7th September - Belgium, Spa Francorchamps
Round 14 - 14th September - Italy, Monza

So basically were trying to decide which of the above to go to, but have no idea as watching on tv is probably completely different from actually being there.

Has anyone been to any of the the above? Can you recommend any (and for what reasons)? what factors should we base our decision on?

Thanks for any help.

I'd choose whatever is still available

Spa is pretty economical in terms of price, Monaco and Monza, most expensive

/ so I've heard, never been to a GP though

I've heard the Hungaroring has a cool atmosphere since folks from all the countries around Hungary invade the place, and there's supposedly places from where you can see almost the entire track. Not that it's that much of a big advantage since nothing ever happens at the Hungaboring.

But that's just what I've heard, I have no idea really.

I feel bad for Honda car and team.

Anyways, i never thought Rubinho a great driver.

I'd suggest these three:

Round 10 - 20th July - Germany, Hockenheim
- Awesome track, good racing, high speeds.
- Huge fan turn out, crazy atmosphere.

Round 13 - 7th September - Belgium, Spa Francorchamps
- Amazing track.
- Cool elevation changes.
- Great racing.

Round 14 - 14th September - Italy, Monza
- Tefosi.
- Super high speeds.
- Tefosi.
- Good racing.

belgium because the track is cool and the city itself is bombs.

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Originally posted by Quantized Round 8 - 22nd June - France, Magny-Cours Round 9 - 6th July - Great Britain, Silverstone Round 10 - 20th July - Germany, Hockenheim Round 11 - 3rd August - Hungary, Hungaroring Round 12 - 24th August - Europe, Valencia Round 13 - 7th September - Belgium, Spa Francorchamps Round 14 - 14th September - Italy, Monza

My choices would be:

#1 Spa - legendary track and close to home (for me )
#2 Hockenhiem - Zee Germans know how to party. Track isn't as good as the old layout, but it'll do. I would rather they ran at the 'Ring, but that's next year
#3 Hungary - no particular reason other than I think it would be a fun party, and the compact-ish track layout could let you see more of the race if you got the right spot.
#3 (tie) Spain - see Hungary

I wouldn't bother with Magny Cours - it's in the middle of nowhere and there's no party. If the press and the teams say it's boring as fuck (and they have all the cool access) then it must be boring

Montoya on a wrestling show!!

How far he has fallen.

^ Thanks.

This just made my day. The circle of life between Nascar and wrestling is now complete

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