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Posted by Halcyon+On+On on Jan-09-2008 03:17:

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Originally posted by trewqy
The biggest problem with the world is people like you think the only way to solve this problem is eradicating the religion itself.

You dont fight fire with fire.

The biggest problem in the world is people who still cling to some idiot notion that humanity will ever truly learn from its violations and that it has the full capacity to change its ways, despite what an almost Sisyphean, recurring history indicates time and time again. These people espouse things such as peace and reform, but also exhibit a very underdeveloped mindset when it comes to understanding the truths of human nature, similtaenously refusing with passive ignorance to change themselves or redirect their thoughts to far more worthy pursuits. These people are many and they are strong in their self-assured collective back-patting and they also never cease to let you know their willingness in assimilating your particular beliefs to agree with popular notions of dispassionate awareness. I wish I could say these people were only Xtians, but their hegemony has spread too far, too fast, and it seeks to uproot a relatively "disjointed" view in complete disregard for its very dogma of forgiveness and compassion.

It's a good thing some of us are not fools to the notion that there is a single, "big" problem with the world. We might just become idiots enough to attempt to fix it, and then pride ourselves upon this ephemeral "achievement".

Posted by Teh Jim on Jan-09-2008 03:34:

quote:
Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
The biggest problem in the world is people

Yes. For example, when I used to work in retail I'd get the store ready for the day, clean the shelves and the floor, get the till ready with the right change etc etc.

Then fucking people come in and fuck with my shit.

Remove all people, remove the problem.

Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Jan-09-2008 03:35:

quote:
Originally posted by Teh Jim
Yes. For example, when I used to work in retail I'd get the store ready for the day, clean the shelves and the floor, get the till ready with the right change etc etc.

Then fucking people come in and fuck with my shit.

Remove all people, remove the problem.

jimmy, did you watch the vids? they're fucking hilarious.

Posted by Zild on Jan-09-2008 03:47:

quote:
Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
The biggest problem in the world is people who still cling to some idiot notion that humanity will ever truly learn from its violations and that it has the full capacity to change its ways, despite what an almost Sisyphean, recurring history indicates time and time again. These people espouse things such as peace and reform, but also exhibit a very underdeveloped mindset when it comes to understanding the truths of human nature, similtaenously refusing with passive ignorance to change themselves or redirect their thoughts to far more worthy pursuits. These people are many and they are strong in their self-assured collective back-patting and they also never cease to let you know their willingness in assimilating your particular beliefs to agree with popular notions of dispassionate awareness. I wish I could say these people were only Xtians, but their hegemony has spread too far, too fast, and it seeks to uproot a relatively "disjointed" view in complete disregard for its very dogma of forgiveness and compassion.

It's a good thing some of us are not fools to the notion that there is a single, "big" problem with the world. We might just become idiots enough to attempt to fix it, and then pride ourselves upon this ephemeral "achievement".

Fuck yea thats why I embrace warfare because it is really an art, and people will always be killing other people.

Posted by Intellekshual on Jan-09-2008 03:59:

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Originally posted by hooknife
Say what you must but Islam is the worlds biggest problem. Islam sucks!

I'm sure you don't know the first thing about Islam.

Take the time to read the Koran. You may enjoy it. I am certain you will find it surprising.

Posted by Silky Johnson on Jan-09-2008 04:30:

Posted by jupiterone on Jan-09-2008 04:36:

quote:
Originally posted by Enigmatik
I'm sure you don't know the first thing about Islam.

Take the time to read the Koran. You may enjoy it. I am certain you will find it surprising.

I am actually really interested in doing that.

Posted by Teh Jim on Jan-09-2008 04:45:

quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
jimmy, did you watch the vids? they're fucking hilarious.

Proxy says no, will watch @ home though for lawlz

Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Jan-09-2008 04:56:

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Originally posted by jupiterone
I am actually really interested in doing that.

i wouldn't bother unless you found the bible to be a thrilling read. its just as painful to trudge through.

Posted by Darkarbiter on Jan-09-2008 04:58:

quote:
Originally posted by hooknife
Say what you must but Islam is the worlds biggest problem. Islam sucks!

+1

Posted by Halcyon+On+On on Jan-09-2008 04:59:

quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
i wouldn't bother unless you found the bible to be a thrilling read. its just as painful to trudge through.

^

The Thousand And One Nights is a far more interesting read, if you are looking to get a better perspective on the culture.

Posted by jupiterone on Jan-09-2008 05:11:

quote:
Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
^

The Thousand And One Nights is a far more interesting read, if you are looking to get a better perspective on the culture.

Hmmm, sounds interesting. Merci!

Posted by Teh Jim on Jan-09-2008 05:51:

quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
i wouldn't bother unless you found the bible to be a thrilling read. its just as painful to trudge through.

If I want to see that much killing, mayhem and scandal I'll just watch the news.

Posted by UmmiE on Jan-09-2008 06:17:

Islam is not just the guy who blows himself up and tapes videos saying he is doing some sort of jihad,or the dood that tells others to come and kill all the non believers.......It also consists of those regulars and average joes that just go about their lives paying taxes and working 40 hours a week,going to school,having a good time friends and family,people who watch movies at cineplex,people who listen to music and go clubbing and do all the other things that people from several other religions do......

Now how do we decide which is the proper Islam ?..........Is it fair to paint everyone with the same color?

Posted by Darkarbiter on Jan-09-2008 06:26:

quote:
Originally posted by UmmiE
Islam is not just the guy who blows himself up and tapes videos saying he is doing some sort of jihad,or the dood that tells others to come and kill all the non believers.......It also consists of those regulars and average joes that just go about their lives paying taxes and working 40 hours a week,going to school,having a good time friends and family,people who watch movies at cineplex,people who listen to music and go clubbing and do all the other things that people from several other religions do......

Now how do we decide which is the proper Islam ?..........Is it fair to paint everyone with the same color?

Does it matter? The point is it has more bad people then other religions... and not by chance but because of the religion itself.

Posted by UmmiE on Jan-09-2008 06:28:

quote:
Originally posted by Darkarbiter
Does it matter? The point is it has more bad people then other religions... and not by chance but because of the religion itself.

Interesting.........Where do you get your stats from?

Posted by jonSun on Jan-09-2008 06:33:

Posted by Sushipunk on Jan-09-2008 06:43:

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Originally posted by jonSun
I thought Christianity was in the lead?

That's what I thought too....

Darkarbiter, did you just pull that out of your arse?

Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Jan-09-2008 06:43:

i'd like to point out that in my rantings concerning religion, i do not include buddhism in that rant. i know next to nothing about buddhism, mostly because it minds its own business and doesn't seem to cause anybody any strife. ive only ever seen it "fight" for just causes.

Posted by Intellekshual on Jan-09-2008 07:29:

quote:
Originally posted by Darkarbiter
Does it matter? The point is it has more bad people then other religions... and not by chance but because of the religion itself.

So you are making some kinda point about an entire religion based on, what, a few hundred morons that made a mess in the name of Allah?.. that's so short-sighted.

Based on a sample of that size...one could state that all Christians are just as bad...(because I'm sure, if I felt so inclined and wanted to take the time) that I could go to any Christian book store, and find books that said almost the same crap about Jews, from a Christian point of view.

I mean, it hasn't been that long since Christians took it for granted that "the Jews killed Christ..", and, historically, there has always been a certain amount of bias between Jews and Christians.

Even today, as much hate and violence is committed by Christians, who are convinced that they are acting the way God wants them to.

Posted by Darkarbiter on Jan-09-2008 07:53:

quote:
Originally posted by Enigmatik

So you are making some kinda point about an entire religion based on, what, a few hundred morons that made a mess in the name of Allah?.. that's so short-sighted.

Based on a sample of that size...one could state that all Christians are just as bad...(because I'm sure, if I felt so inclined and wanted to take the time) that I could go to any Christian book store, and find books that said almost the same crap about Jews, from a Christian point of view.

I mean, it hasn't been that long since Christians took it for granted that "the Jews killed Christ..", and, historically, there has always been a certain amount of bias between Jews and Christians.

Even today, as much hate and violence is committed by Christians, who are convinced that they are acting the way God wants them to.

Jesus didn't marry a 9 year old. My point was there are teachings in the Kuran that lend towards violence.

Posted by jupiterone on Jan-09-2008 07:55:

quote:
Originally posted by Darkarbiter
My point was there are teachings in the Kuran that lend towards violence.

And the Bible has none?

Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Jan-09-2008 07:59:

quote:
Originally posted by jupiterone
And the Bible has none?

yeah, exactly. you're way off if you think either is inherently worse than the other.

Posted by Halcyon+On+On on Jan-09-2008 08:01:

quote:
Originally posted by Darkarbiter
Jesus didn't marry a 9 year old. My point was there are teachings in the Kuran that lend towards violence.

Everything, Everything, lends itself towards 'violence' in some way. Perhaps the misgivings of our current consideration of what 'humanity' is [and is not] do not effectively encompass all of what violence and consumption imply to our beings, but consideration takes far longer than a mere moment of ignorant discourse.

If a pamphlet were distributed to people saying 'kill a stranger' and some people took this to heart, would you seek to blame the pamphlets, the people who distributed the pamphlet or the people who actually went out and killed others because a mere pamphlet urged them to? I know there is far more to it than that, considering the complexity of human behavioural conditioning and the subsequent incrimination of unjustified propagandists, but there comes a point when human beings must be considered responsible for their own actions, despite what they have been told to think. If you cannot effectively hold people to this, you have failed to consider human individuality of thought, if such a thing exists, and you are no better at all than those who seek to control by amassing the response of any given flock.

Posted by Zild on Jan-09-2008 10:59:

We killed all the real jews in the Holocaust. All the ones around now are pretty much Ashkenazic jews who are Europeans who converted to judaism for social/economical reasons.

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