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I saw the movie last night. It's a beautiful movie, mature, honest and genuine.

I love movies about a certain period, a certain place that you don't know too much about. And you go "what the fck people people did that?". It looks so real. I had that same fascination for Gangs of New York (Which suprisingly cast the same lead actor), how i was intrigued by the set and time. Not only entertainement but learning.

Visuals are spectacular, Lewis is spectacular.

BUT, i have to agree with Marcus on that one, the ending is awkward, anti-climatic and almost funny.

No country for old men was a similar movie, with an "oh, it's over?" ending. But felt more complete.

I think the film is a masterpiece until 1927, then things don't hold-up to that build-up. I think Lewis as a wonderful bound with that young actor who plays his son (that was one hell of a good job from that kid), and when he gets old, they don't give time for them to create a good chemistry , makes the ending of that important dad-son relation lacking in emotion. That part is the most important pay off, and it just drops flat. Lewis is great in that scene, but looks like he is talking to a wall.

And the acting at the end is not as strong, unlike other i wasn't really into the Elijah character. I think he doesn't make a very strong nemesis. I really felt the bowling alley ending was almost ridiculous.

But so many good moments in that movie. Lewis just lift this up on his shoulders with a brillant performance. I just loved it when he smacks Elijah like a little girl in the oil. that was great.

Soundtrack sometimes very efficient, sometimes annoying.

Great movie, poor pay-off.

That's very interesting. Everyone i talk to that has seen the film, and this community on movie forums i visit regularly, all seem to agree that the last scene is the absolute best. I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!!! is becoming a regular threat when you want something done hehehe.
1927 was a big leap and feels unexpected but i really can't think of what he would of added more between the years. I believe Anderson did it like that because he's saying what happened between those years is nothing we haven't seen already: H.W. growing up on that farm, learning sign language and connecting with the girl, Daniel just continuing to do his business and Eli going off to tour with his sermon.
The scene with H.W. and Daniel at the end, happens after a long period of time that the two haven't seen each other, and is probably the longest conversation they have since the last time we left them.

Anyway, that's at least how I experienced the ending.
No Country for Old Men however got me pissed the way it ended. If I read the book i'd know it was coming, but i didn't and i had no idea that it was going to end just like that after something Tommy Lee Jones was saying (which sounded a bit boring to begin with). The killer's ending was great but he still did a pretty dumb move which makes me question his smarts.
I'll stop there. hehe.

I'm glad you enjoyed There Will Be Blood, Martin. Did you know that the guy who did the soundtrack is the lead-guitarist in Radiohead?
His first movie-score. Very surprising coz it was such epic music for me.

About the ending: My problem with the ending is not elements or parts missing. Is that I feel the 2 other actors (or characters) didn't deliver the goods. Both Daniel's speeches were great (you were a bastard, a bastard in a basket... (wow)), but I don't find the character of Eli or is older son are strong enough at that point to make those showdowns gold or keep a real tension. It's a one man show.

I agree it's a one man show to an extent, i think the son walked out of there pretty confident in himself. But i see what you mean.

I saw it this week and I have to agree, it's incredible. It's tied right now with "No Country for Old Men" and "The Assassination of Jesse James" as one of my favorite movies.

I agree with the Kubrick comment, especially in the opening 20 minutes when there's no dialog, very Kubrick/2001-esque in that respect.

The ending was probably perfect imo. The whole 1928 segment really tied itself together with his "I'm finished!" comment at the very end. It was a showcase of how empty his life became and I enjoyed the fact that it wasn't wrapped up in a cheesy, Hollywood ending.

Anyway, definitely going to watch it again.

just came back, the ending was purrrfect. Everyone who came after him was because of greed and self-intrest. He wanted no one to succeed especially at his expense.

Elijah had the guts to come back and ask for more, Daniel got back to him for every little thing Elijah put him through and when he started asking him money by pity and mercy, Daniel decided he was not worthy of living.

There's this thing tho that I am confused about, elijah and his twin are one and the same right?

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Originally posted by malek just came back, the ending was purrrfect. Everyone who came after him was because of greed and self-intrest. He wanted no one to succeed especially at his expense. Elijah had the guts to come back and ask for more, Daniel got back to him for every little thing Elijah put him through and when he started asking him money by pity and mercy, Daniel decided he was not worthy of living. There's this thing tho that I am confused about, elijah and his twin are one and the same right?

Paul and Eli are twins in the movie, but portrayed by the same actor.

but its really (on purpose?) unclear... yes he says "i have a twin" but... on many occasions it seems as really it was the same person.

at the end daniel says " i gave paul 10000$ and he is now a prosperous oil man " which imo was a way to get to him by meaning "you could have taken the money i offered you and made your own fortune... but you decided to play tricks".

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Originally posted by malek but its really (on purpose?) unclear... yes he says "i have a twin" but... on many occasions it seems as really it was the same person. at the end daniel says " i gave paul 10000$ and he is now a prosperous oil man " which imo was a way to get to him by meaning "you could have taken the money i offered you and made your own fortune... but you decided to play tricks".

Nah, they really are two different characters in the movie. I think it's just that Paul moved away/didn't live on the Sunday ranch and I assume wanted to get into the oil business too, which is why Daniel makes that comment to Eli at the end.

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from IMDB

In an interview on the National Public Radio program "Fresh Air with Terry Gross," Paul Dano told Gross that he had originally been cast in the much smaller role of Paul Sunday, Eli's brother, and another actor had been cast as Eli. However, after Paul Dano had already started filming his one scene as Paul Sunday, Paul Thomas Anderson decided to replace the actor playing Eli. Anderson then asked Dano to play Eli Sunday (a much bigger role) as well as Paul Sunday, and they decided to change the film to make the brothers identical twins. Anderson asked Dano to play Eli on a Thursday, and filming for the role began four days later, on the next Monday. Daniel Day-Lewis, by contrast, had a whole year to prepare to play Daniel Plainview.

hmmm ok... but it was really ambiguous.


anyone else felt that first slap daniel gave eli when he beat him up?

I also want that soundtrack, the violon was crazy.

the scene where plainview beat down eli was awesome... very powerful

spoiler! Don't watch it if you plan on seeing this movie.

One of the most powerful scene ever :

Another crazy scene:

more youtube!!


this is an ad and has no spoilers:

deleted scene!?!?!?

That's one of my favorite pieces of music in that ad there. Sick stuff.

I believe that IS a deleted scene!! Craziness. Can't wait to own this film on DVD


I d/l-ed the soundtrack but still haven't had the chance to listen through. I'll let you guys know what's there what isn't, if it's worth it etc.

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Originally posted by Mitsutranza I d/l-ed the soundtrack but still haven't had the chance to listen through. I'll let you guys know what's there what isn't, if it's worth it etc.

i downloaded a soundtrack of 11 tracks and my favorite part isn't there

Yeah I got the same one I think. My favorite one isn't there either (which happens to be the one featured in that add with the clicking sounds) but Prospectors Arrive was one I also wanted badly and it's there... beautiful music.
Well I found out that Jonny Greenwood's score wasn't eligible for an Oscar nomination because it isn't entirely original as he took from older classical pieces. This blows of course because the soundtrack is wonderful and is definately worthy of a nomination AT LEAST.

The nominations are in and There Will Be Blood has an impressive 8 nominations!!!!!

Daniel Day-Lewis for Best Actor (Surprise! lol)
Paul Thomas Anderson for Director (Yesssssss)
Cinematography
Art Direction
Film Editing
Best Motion Picture of the Year (Hell Yesss!!!!)
Sound Editing
P.T. Anderson for Best Adapted Screenplay (Yesssss)

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I'm very happy with those nominations, it deserves them. Greenwood got robbed because of that bogus rule and I believe Dano should of been nominated for Supporting Actor. Other than that, this year's Oscars nominations on the whole seem surprisingly fair and just.
I hope the final results don't make me eat those words.

I got a new idea for a thread. ))))

was eli worthy of the oscar for best male supporting role?

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Originally posted by malek was eli worthy of the oscar for best male supporting role?

Ehhh I don't know if he's worthy of the statue itself but he's definitely worthy of recognition. A nomination would of been the highlight of his career and he deserves that.
Bardem deserves the Oscar from the nominees i've seen.

they nominate ellen page for best actress but not dano for supporting... come on oscar

HEY I HAVE A CRAZY THEORY THAT I BELIEVE IS 100% CORRECT.

HEY I HAVE A CRAZY THEORY THAT I BELIEVE IS 100% CORRECT.

Eli and paul are different people.

at the end of the movie it is not actually eli but paul trying to act like eli.

clue 1. he picks up 3 drinks and drinks 2, this is not eli like behavior.

clue 2. the gold chain, obviously not attained on a missionaries salary.

clue 3. eli would never have proclaimed that he was a false prophet.

so when DDL flips out on him about how well paul is doing he is only toying with him by making paul believe that he thinks it's eli all the while daniel knows it's paul .it's twisted i know.

finally since paul has tried to screw him over for the second time, the first being when he walked in the office and would not divulge evidence before he was given money.

and thats why... he got served.

ok i have seen no country for old men yesterday and I feel robbed because there will be blood didn't win best motion picture...

i mean come on... these movies are not even on the same playing field.

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