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Originally posted by epdarks Some of the sickest home setups in the "post your setup" thread are rocking the 301s...

that doesn't make them sound any better.

Do you have any personal experience with the 301s? If so please speak up.

I remember a seasoned DJ in our forum discussing the 301s as perfect monitors. Sorry I cannot remember the nick.

I have heard the 301s and they are pretty solid little units. Very loud.

The status quo on this forum is professional studio monitors, I get that... I'm just suggesting an cheaper alternative.

I'm not sure what makes him say that. Honestly, they could sound freaking pristine and they're still unsuitable for a bedroom DJ setup.



The midbass and tweeter don't even radiate on the same plane... so it's impossible to direct the speaker at you. The whole direct/reflected concept is completely different than what you want for a DJ setup. If you were really doing things properly, you'd put sound dampening material on the walls to REDUCE reflections... not buy speakers designed to reflect off the walls.

The concept is great... if you are not too close to the speaker and want to hear a "full room" sound... not what you want for mixing.

Bose also doesn't provide ANY frequency response data. 98% of speakers that lack frequency response data have twisted response across the frequency band. This is confirmed at http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue17/bose301.htm

The typical consumer audio nightmare...

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They have a prominent, artificially sweetened midrange that is undeniably appealing on vocals, jazz, and acoustic strings. The problem lies in how Bose achieved those characteristics�they rolled off the highs, goosed the upper midbass, and engineered the high-frequency driver enclosures for wide dispersion rather than phase coherence and imaging.

Yeah, I figured that was the eventual fate of the thread...

That said, 99% of listeners or DJs cannot relate to what you posted (I'm one of them).

Again, I'm offering the guy some options. I don't have the technical knowledge to attempt to make a counter argument, so I won't try. I've fallen in love with my $50 setup... I couldn't be happier... just trying to pass the love along. I thought for once we could have a "speaker" conversation, as the word is now unholy on this forum, but alas, the "monitors" dominate the thread.

I'm going to guess 60% of the people here understand acoustics

Seriously though, if you can be happy with a $50 setup, more power to you! I wish my taste in sound was that inexpensive

Even if the guy had the technical knowledge to retort he wouldn't because there is nothing anyone can say to defend Bose.

I love my beater setup which is a Bob Carver 1.5t running an old pair of Sansui 12" cabs, but buying that setup on the used market will set you back at least $600. Amazingly loud PA setup with great sound quality, but still they don't hold a candle to midrange studio monitors for bedroom use. They stay in the closet most of the time. And the amp leaks DC voltage intermittently when not under a musical load, so that's annoying.

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Originally posted by epdarks Do you have any personal experience with the 301s? If so please speak up. I remember a seasoned DJ in our forum discussing the 301s as perfect monitors. Sorry I cannot remember the nick. I have heard the 301s and they are pretty solid little units. Very loud. The status quo on this forum is professional studio monitors, I get that... I'm just suggesting an cheaper alternative.

yes.

they aren't.

volume doesn't determine quality. In this case, anything but. Bose gears all their equipment towards more defined mids, because they're designed for movies & vocals. People hear loud voices & overdone low bass & think it sounds good, because it's loud. They're cheaply made, and even though the company puts 100% of its 'profit' into R&D, it's R&D for home theater simulation--not studio use. Even as a home theater set-up, their units blow unless you have a 10x10 room with carpet, and have never heard anything else.

Those 301s aren't necessarily cheap. You can put in another hundred bucks or so and get yourself some pretty damn good monitors, even at regular retail outlets.

I don't own a pair of 301s, and I'm sure you guys are right, they are prob garbage. I'm fully aware of the rest of the Bose lineup and how nonsense they are.

The whole 5 inch monitor thing just doesn't appeal to me. There's no warmth in the sound (intended that way I know). No bass. I mean, where's the fun? Knowing you have a flat range? Knowing you paid huge money for speakers that are fit for Eric Prydz' production studio? Knowing you are one of few elite audiophiles? I'm not convinced... I just don't see a need for these things in every single home setup, as this forum suggests every time this thread pops up.

I don't know what you're listening to but I think my RP5s have plenty of bass. Maybe a little too much. I can hear them on the other side of my house and I've got like 4000 sqft.

I love my pair of Tapco S8. They're like Mackie HR824s at 1/2 the price

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Originally posted by epdarks The whole 5 inch monitor thing just doesn't appeal to me. There's no warmth in the sound (intended that way I know).

Depends on the music. Most well-produced dance music sounds pretty sweet on flat speakers... especially a nice vinyl cut

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No bass.

Rule one of a quality audio setup: expect bass? get a sub. high pass your mains. everything is happier and cleaner.

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I mean, where's the fun?

Hearing what your doing on the decks without coloring, with responsive clarity? that's fun to me.

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Knowing you are one of few elite audiophiles?

"elite audiophiles" generally go with tube gear and colored speakers that accentuate the type of music they listen to, etc. Audiophile and pro audio are very different worlds, to be honest. Honestly I laugh so hard at audiophiles it hurts... buncha flamers.

Ok, you win, happy?

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Originally posted by MERiDiAN5i2 Rule one of a quality audio setup: expect bass? get a sub. high pass your mains. everything is happier and cleaner.

How do you high pass your mains exactly?

Usually a crossover... but some monitors, powered speakers, and even some amplifiers have a high pass filter built into them. Some powered subs will also take a full-range input, and feed a high-passed line level signal to the mains.

All depends on your gear

Let's get down to the nitty gritty.

First up.
As correctly stated, Audiophile speakers and professional studio reference monitors are not the same thing.

Second.
Monitors ideally used for DJing and professional studio monitors are not the same thing.

Why? A DJ does not need the same level of flat response as a Producer. I'm not saying the speakers shouldn't be good, on the contrary it is nice to have good sound.
Studio reference monitors on the other hand are not designed to sound nice but to sound flat, i.e. there is no colouration in the sound meaning that they don't favour bass, high end or midrange. It is supposed to be an accurate depiction of the actual sound. This however can get tiring for the ears and you will find that if you do a two hour set you may overcompensate with lots of high and as your ability to hear this over longer periods of time will suffer.

The amount of money you would actually have to spend to get a good pair of Studio monitors is considerably larger than you need to fork out for DJ monitors.

Alesis Active monitors are more than enough for use with DJing, some people wont like them, and if you are a producer then they are way to Hi Fi but just for DJing they are fine.

Remember, as a DJ you are not doing a mixdown, you are just mixing and they are two very different skills.

You can have all the finest gear in your bedroom but remember that all gets turned upside down in a club environment. As long as you have a set of speakers that you like the sound of withing your price range then that is all that matters.

Also remember this, any Sound Engineer will tell you that people will percieve speakers differently and there is no definate answer as to what is the best or the worst.

As I have said in the monitoring thread, the best thing you can do is to bring a CD with you to a shop with tracks that you know well and know how they should sound and then listen on various sets of speakers. Make that decision yours and ignore the clap trap about getting studio reference monitors unless you also want to make music.

And remember, never base your decision on anything someone tells you in an internet forum.

cheers
Nem

Anyone using Klipsch Promedia 2.1 for bedroom DJ sessions?

These have 200 watts total, 130 watt subwoofer. I know they're not anywhere near what a lot of people want, but for me they might be worthwhile for practice and the occasional small party, or at least they'd be good on my computer for checking out music from BeatPort etc. I have 15" PA speaks but they're overkill and actually don't give much bass at low sound levels.

Store in my area is blowing them out at $100 so they're probably being discontinued (they came out 8 years ago!), but most online reviews are good. Alternative is monitors for a lot more cash.

http://www.klipsch.com/products/det...omedia-2-1.aspx
http://www.audaud.com/audaud/MAY01/...quip2MAY01.html

I'm using Alesis M1 Active 520 Monitors at the moment.

Anyone else use them? pretty good and they are suitable for bedroom use :-)



�128 inc VAT for the pair, not bad!

Got the Tapco S8's and they fucking rock! Everyone should get them!

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