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Originally posted by Gauss It is in human's nature to eat meat. Humans are omnivores.

Yea. But actually our teeth are becoming more and more like teeth of herbivores. Species evolve/change.

why is it not okay to kill animals for food but its okay to kill fruits and vegetables? Seriously, I don't get it.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced why is it not okay to kill animals for food but its okay to kill fruits and vegetables? Seriously, I don't get it.

How many lettuce plants had to die for your stupid salad?

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Originally posted by l�cid yay for hippiecrits and trendvironmentalism.

You are just terrific. I needed a break, and that pretty much just hit the spot.

i have a problem with respecting vegefuckyoucallem, because I find their beliefs to be so far from mine, and from what I have seen/read/experienced of what goes on in the nature.

I am therefore going to try to rebutle these 14 reasons to become a Vegetarian that I found on Google.

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Avoiding meat is one of the best and simplest ways to cut down your fat consumption. Modern farm animals are deliberately fattened up to increase profits. Eating fatty meat increases your chances of having a heart attack or developing cancer.

Its just a matter of self control. When you're full, PUT THE FORK DOWN, FATTY!! (i also don't like fat people, I think its a part of a minor eating disorder. Either that or I'm the Fat Guy Strangler)

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There are millions of cases of food poisoning recorded every year. The vast majority are caused by eating meat.

Check expiration date before you eat it, dumbass!

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Meat contains absolutely nothing - no proteins, vitamins or minerals - that the human body cannot obtain perfectly happily from a vegetarian diet.

Oh I see what you're trying to do there. Using you're fancy words and grammar to make it look like the meat doesnt contain anything at all. I can see Americans falling for that one, but I'm not falling for that one.

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African countries - where millions are starving to death - export grain to the developed world so that animals can be fattened for our dining tables.

Well, no wonder they're starving when they ship off all their food to another continent.
"Here you go, a bead necklace and a Mickey Mouse-pen in exchange for your crop the 20 next years."

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'Meat' can include the tail, head, feet, rectum and spinal cord of an animal.

And it tastes gooooood! What papa don't know, doesn't hurt him. Its still food.

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A sausage can contain ground up intestines. How can anyone be sure that the intestines are empty when they are ground up? Do you really want to eat the content of a pig's intestines?

Well first of all, sausages are usually filled pig's intestines, and they are thoroughly cleaned before they are used. Anyways, to answer the question; Why not?

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If we eat the plants we grow instead of feeding them to animals, the world's food shortage will disappear virtually overnight. Remember that 100 acres of land will produce enough beef for 20 people but enough wheat to feed 240 people.

But what are the animals supposed to eat then?

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Every day, tens of millions of one-day-old male chicks are killed because they will not be able to lay eggs. There are no rules about how this mass slaughter takes place. Some are crushed or suffocated to death. Many are used for fertiliser or fed to other animals.

And I thought you treehugging hippies were pro-Recycling.. Confusszzzed

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Animals who die for your dinner table die alone, in terror, in sadness and in pain. The killing is merciless and inhumane.

Yes. Just like God/Nature/Whatever intended it. Do lions kill hyenas just because they see them as a threat? No. Male lions have a hatred so deep that they will risk their own lifes just to kill a lonely hyena. Do they do it swift and humane/lionesque? No. They kill them by letting them bleed to death (after a while breaking their neck). Weird thing is that they bite the neck usually until the body goes cold, and the hyena has been dead for a long time. It's a brutal world. Deal with it.

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It's must easier to become (and stay) slim if you are a vegetarian.

Of course it is easier to lose weight I'f you arent getting the nutrition the body needs. And again i refer to my patented PUT-THE-FORK-DOWN-plan, soon available on cassettes on all gas stations everywhere.

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If you eat meat, you are consuming hormones that were fed to the animals. No one knows what effect those hormones will have on your health. In some parts of the world, as many as one on four hamburgers contain growth hormones that were originally given to cattle.

So I save money on steroids then. Oh nooeees!!!

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he following diseases are commoner among meat eaters: anaemia, appendicitis, arthritis, breast cancer, cancer of the colon, cancer of the prostrate, constipation, diabetes, gallstones, gout, high blood pressure, indigestion, obesity, piles, strokes and varicose veins. Lifelong vegetarians visit hospital 22% less often than meat eaters and for shorter stays. Vegetarians have a 20% lower blood cholestrol level than meat eaters and this reduces heart attack and cancer risks considerably.

Well, I'd rather eat what I want and live 10 less years than what I wouldve, If I'd eaten twigs and grass.

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Some farmers use tranquillisers to keep animals calm. Other routinely use antibiotics to starve off infection. When you eat meat you are eating those drugs. In America, 55% of all antibiotics are fed to animals and the percentage of staphylococci infections resistant to penicillin went up from 14% in 1960 to 91% in 1988.

Anybody can take two facts, about seperate issues, and smack them next to eachother making it look like they are somehow related. "During WWII many Jews were sent to concentration camps, still many jews seem to have trouble concentrating if the air humidity is not high enough."

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In a lifetime, the average meat eater will consumer 36 pigs, 36 sheep and 750 chickens and turkeys. Do you want that much carnage on your conscience?

The more, the merrier.

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Animals which are a year old are often far more rational - and capable of logical thought - than six week old babies. Pigs and sheep are far more intelligent than small children. Eating dead animals is barbaric

Are you fucking kidding me? That is the dumbest thing I have ever read.

If you don't eat meat simply because you don't like it, thats something I can respect though. I see no reason for eating something you don't like.

Oh and yeah, I'm also for treating animals better, and I enjoy whatyoucallem, err.. you know hamburgers that are allowed to walk around freely and stuff, it only sucks that its way more expensive. At least here in Norway.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi i have a problem with respecting vegefuckyoucallem, because I find their beliefs to be so far from mine, and from what I have seen/read/experienced of what goes on in the nature.

What if I don't eat nor care?

I'm not going to waste my time replying to every little thing that is wrong/misinformed/etc. about alfi's post - so I'll just say that it's pretty funny that he took the the time to write all that drivel that effectively just says:

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Originally posted by dj_alfi I am a fucking closed minded idiot who doesn't have half a clue what he's talking about who's trying to come off as intelligent on the internet but failing miserably.

Though I have to imagine there aren't many people who didn't already know this.

Either way, I mock your intelligence. You make the worst of Americans look like Nobel Laureates.

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Originally posted by Lira Tell that to my body! I'd streak for Chicken McNuggets

Tough luck mate.

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Originally posted by Jeremy H Yea. But actually our teeth are becoming more and more like teeth of herbivores. Species evolve/change.

Yeah, but evolution is a process that takes thousands/millions of years.
Right now people are still omnivores and that won't change for a very long time.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi Oh I see what you're trying to do there. Using you're fancy words and grammar to make it look like the meat doesnt contain anything at all. I can see Americans falling for that one, but I'm not falling for that one.

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*deep breath*

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i dont get how someone else eats affects your life

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Originally posted by barbina i dont get how someone else eats affects your life

Holy shit - we may have a late entry for "Dumbest Post in Thread."

Look out Alfi, barbina is hot on your heels.

I honestly don't get how that is the dumbest post in the thread. He's complaining about vegetarians, yet it doesn't affect his daily life at all. I think it's a very valid point.

Whatever.

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Originally posted by barbina I honestly don't get how that is the dumbest post in the thread. He's complaining about vegetarians, yet it doesn't affect his daily life at all. I think it's a very valid point. Whatever.

You said:

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Originally posted by barbina i dont get how someone else eats affects your life

I don't care who you're saying it to, it's a fucking idiotic thing to say and anyone who had half a clue would be embarrassed to utter such nonsense the moment it left their mouth.

Because cows use too much water. Which happens to affect us all.

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Originally posted by Clovis Because cows use too much water. Which happens to affect us all.

They also poop. A lot.

Which is maybe surprisingly a much bigger problem than it sounds.

Tip of the iceberg, etc.

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Originally posted by RJT They also poop. A lot. Which is maybe surprisingly a much bigger problem than it sounds. Tip of the iceberg, etc.

All in all, we waste way too much resources on beef. yet I still ate at Jack In The Box today. Fail.

I don't care either way. But I will say this. One of my managers is a vegetarian and she gets sick more than anyone else I know.

Just throwing that out there.

edit // You also ate McD's on Thursday

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Originally posted by bas I don't care either way. But I will say this. One of my managers is a vegetarian and she gets sick more than anyone else I know. Just throwing that out there. edit // You also ate McD's on Thursday

Your manager should stop sleeping around imo.

I hope to GOD she's not sleeping around

I've also never met a fatter vegetarian in all my life, it must be glandular.

I could write an essay right now about the havoc the beef industry reaps on the environment, about how cruel and disgusting factory farming is, and how industrial agriculture is ruining the majority of the farmland we have - but at the end of the day I'm no angel either.

There are times when I eat cheap food because it's convenient, and there is little to no chance I ever give up eating meat completely - but it doesn't bother me that people look at that as hypocrisy because at the very least I'm making some effort, which is far more than most people can say.

The vegan/vegetarian arguments more often than not bother the piss out of me because they more often than not seem to be about as deep as a shot glass - but there are far more good arguments in favor of us changing the way we get the food we eat that could have unbelievable implications for the future of our planet. Unfortunately, it still requires people to change (though ever so slightly) the way in which they feed themselves - and most people are either too ignorant or in denial to care.

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Originally posted by RJT I could write an essay right now about the havoc the beef industry reaps on the environment, about how cruel and disgusting factory farming is, and how industrial agriculture is ruining the majority of the farmland we have - but at the end of the day I'm no angel either. There are times when I eat cheap food because it's convenient, and there is little to no chance I ever give up eating meat completely - but it doesn't bother me that people look at that as hypocrisy because at the very least I'm making some effort, which is far more than most people can say. The vegan/vegetarian arguments more often than not bother the piss out of me because they more often than not seem to be about as deep as a shot glass - but there are far more good arguments in favor of us changing the way we get the food we eat that could have unbelievable implications for the future of our planet. Unfortunately, it still requires people to change (though ever so slightly) the way in which they feed themselves - and most people are either too ignorant or in denial to care.

If everyone just started to subsist on frosted flakes and Tang, I think the world would be a better place.

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Originally posted by Clovis If everyone just started to subsist on frosted flakes and Tang, I think the world would be a better place.

If I can do it, anyone can.

Also - Frosted Flake =/= Vegan. I don't even think they're necessarily vegetarian.

Pretty sure Tang is though.

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Originally posted by Clovis If everyone just started to subsist on frosted flakes and Poon-Tang, I think the world would be a better place.

fixed for obvious reasons.


I dont think i could ever give up meat, i feel its part of a healthy balanced diet. I will admit though, someitmes i eat more meat just to spite people.

My GF did the veg pledge with PETA for a month after watching that Kentucky Fried Cruelty movie with pam anderson. I downloaded said movie, ordered a bucket of KFC, and watched the movie with my roomates while eating said bucket.


Im not gonna lie, it was delicious.


While i agree factory farming has its negatives, and quality of produce is a major one, I think that it is unavoidable until consumers are prepared to pay alot more for their produce in order to give incentive to farmers to raise their livestock using more conventional methods. At current market price, factory farming is a nessecity to remain profitable and make a living for their families.

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Originally posted by colonelcrisp While i agree factory farming has its negatives, and quality of produce is a major one, I think that it is unavoidable until consumers are prepared to pay alot more for their produce in order to give incentive to farmers to raise their livestock using more conventional methods. At current market price, factory farming is a nessecity to remain profitable and make a living for their families.

That's a myth.

You should read:



Google Books: http://books.google.com/books?id=pl...umbnail#PPP8,M1

It's only necessary because it's what society demands right now, and unless people change their habits/practices, we will "need" factory farming.

That book won't make you stop eating meat, but it might make you think differently about where you get it.

No. I love my meat.

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