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Originally posted by DJ Shibby In my opinion, all opium products should be legalized with formal education necessary to purchase and use in the privacy of your own home. It makes no sense that 90% of overdose deaths are actually caused by NSAIDS (tylenol, aspirin, etc) which are often lumped into painkiller pills. Don't get me wrong, opiates are dangerous: about as dangerous as alcohol. But suppression and black marketeering is obviously not the solution.

im sure a lot of us agree, but we're really talking about realistic solutions to the current problems in afghanistan

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN im sure a lot of us agree, but we're really talking about realistic solutions to the current problems in afghanistan

Well I guess that I'm just here to remind us all of the overall goal of getting our shit together.

I don't like a world drugged up on alcohol and SSRI anti-depressants...

Nor do I like how patients in pain are limited by pharmaceutical and social shortcomings.

not sure if this has been said because i dont ahve time to read the thread

but isn�t Tasmania the biggest producer of Opium in the world?
stop being so greedy PKC you six fingered fuck!

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Originally posted by tathi not sure if this has been said because i dont ahve time to read the thread but isn�t Tasmania the biggest producer of Opium in the world? stop being so greedy PKC you six fingered fuck!

No. Afghanistan produces over 90% of the world's opium

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Originally posted by tathi not sure if this has been said because i dont ahve time to read the thread but isn�t Tasmania the biggest producer of Opium in the world? stop being so greedy PKC you six fingered fuck!

hahahaha, yeah we do grow an awful lot of poppies. how the hell did you know that you dodgy fuck?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN hahahaha, yeah we do grow an awful lot of poppies. how the hell did you know that you dodgy fuck?

ahaha

nice

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN hahahaha, yeah we do grow an awful lot of poppies. how the hell did you know that you dodgy fuck?

haha the tasmanians cant keep it a secret from everyone. but imagine if our governent let Afghanistan have a tenth of the share of what we make from your poppy fields, it will never happen but its an interesting hypothetical

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Originally posted by George Smiley You have to completely forget about cocaine production, that has nothing to do with Afghan production of opium. It's a completely different situation. This thread was about the stability of Afghanistan, and how their economy (and the livelihoods of its population) is dependent on the production of a commodity NATO forces would like to decrease. This option allows for production to continue but also to achieve the aims of NATO countries in removing the product from their domestic markets (and along with it some of the social ills it causes - not that that would be a solution in itself by any means) Please try and understand the concept of farming subsidies in this...

Cocain and Heroine production are very similar.

Both countries are developmentaly challenged, over run with local war lords, in the middle of a civil war, exporting large amounts of a recreational drug to fund weapons purchases, and thier farmers are growing the most profitable crop they can.

If you're going to propose a solution to a problem you need to consider similar cases while tailoring to best solve the problem in question.

The goal of buying up opium will increase the amount grown. The farmers will grow all they can to make sure the NATO subsidies are used up and then will grow more to meet the demand of the addicts around the world.

The product is not removed from any market because there is still a demand for it.

Try thinking of another example, like AIDS drugs. If I tried to buy all the AIDS drugs in the world the producers would just make more and more until I ran out of money and then they would keep producing to sell to legitimate customers.

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Originally posted by atbell Cocain and Heroine production are very similar. Both countries...

This solution is unique to Afgnaistan because that's where we're fighting a war! FORGET ABOUT COLOMBIA! This isn't a solution to solve the heroine problem, it is a solution to solve the Afghan security problem, of which opium production plays a role

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The goal of buying up opium will increase the amount grown. The farmers will grow all they can to make sure the NATO subsidies are used up and then will grow more to meet the demand of the addicts around the world. The product is not removed from any market because there is still a demand for it. Try thinking of another example, like AIDS drugs. If I tried to buy all the AIDS drugs in the world the producers would just make more and more until I ran out of money and then they would keep producing to sell to legitimate customers.

You can't grown an infinite amount of any kind of crop. If somebody buys all of the crop it is possible to grow, they physically won't be able to grow any more, will they? You're trying to apply the most basic common denominator economic theory into an extremely complex social issue. You are completely ignoring the motive for farmers growing opium and instead concentrating on the demand side. It is not the farmers that are able to make huge profits from opium production, they just make an normal wage. Your theory might work for the drug barons but then they would have to deal with NATO if this played out as I have described. Not to mention the fact that Afghan society is extremely religious and opium production can easily be portrayed as going against that belief.

You're also ignoring history with your desire to throw your weight behind simple economic theories. The Taliban were hugely successful in greatly reducing the amount of opium grown. Between 2000 (when they began to crack down) and the invasion in 2001 (which sadly had the result of taking away the Talibans control of the opium trade), production went down by almost 100%. So history proves this can be done

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