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Posted by Jono404 on Feb-11-2008 14:49:

Generally, focus on making a killer 16/32 bar loop or whatever, then build the rest of the track around that. That's the way I do it anyway


Posted by Meat187 on Feb-11-2008 15:39:

quote:
Originally posted by AustralianGQ
i would agree, but alot of electronic songs with lyrics are very well written and poetic i find


Yeah, especially those by Scooter!

Oh, and this thread needs at least two more things:
1) The Tiesto video.
2) The Sean-Tyas-Choon-Program-Pic.


Posted by GoSpeedGo! on Feb-11-2008 15:45:

quote:
Originally posted by Meat187
1) The Tiesto video.
2) The Sean-Tyas-Choon-Program-Pic.


3) The I-Love-Minimal-VST-Pic


Posted by Alex on Feb-11-2008 15:48:

Hey Chadi, you're a tard.


- Everyone


Posted by nefardec on Feb-11-2008 16:33:

quote:
Originally posted by chadi
Well, a lot of the so called minimal, electro and "tech-house" artists nowadays have it made. All they have to do is get on fruity loops, make a bunch of dings, dangs, bleeps bloops and burps (it doesn't really matter where the song is going) and some moron out there is going to like it.

At least it's a good way to make some extra cash if you need it.



easily one of the most idiotic things i've read in some time.


isn't that joke old by now?


Posted by Meat187 on Feb-11-2008 16:47:

Oh, and like I've already said elsewhere, Minimal is made by dropping a cat on the keyboard.


Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Feb-11-2008 17:03:

Why does everybody slate minimal? Have you people actually listened to much of it?


Posted by Alex on Feb-11-2008 17:26:

quote:
Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Why does everybody slate minimal? Have you people actually listened to much of it?


Highly unlikely that any of them have at home, and even less likely they've gone to see a "minimal" DJ or rather a DJ that plays minimal t00nz.

Also, if it's so easy to make minimal (this is to you Chadi and the rest of you that SERIOUSLY think its super easy) lets see the record deal and "all the cash", then we'll talk.


Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Feb-11-2008 17:30:

That's what kills me about people who say minimal is "easy." If you actually listen to it closely, there's quite a bit of engineering that goes into all the little "bleeps" and "pings" and other little sounds. I'm sure there are people out there cashing in on the "minimal trend" with crap productions, but that happens in any genre...


Posted by Mr.Mystery on Feb-11-2008 17:37:

quote:
Originally posted by Alex
Also, if it's so easy to make minimal (this is to you Chadi and the rest of you that SERIOUSLY think its super easy) lets see the record deal and "all the cash", then we'll talk.

Yeah, that argument has worked so well before.


Posted by Alex on Feb-11-2008 17:39:

quote:
Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
That's what kills me about people who say minimal is "easy." If you actually listen to it closely, there's quite a bit of engineering that goes into all the little "bleeps" and "pings" and other little sounds. I'm sure there are people out there cashing in on the "minimal trend" with crap productions, but that happens in any genre...


Exactly.

The fact that Chadi mentioned Tech House and Electro House too is quite funny, since Tech House can range from more proggy to more electroish-dirty to very deep and SUPER mnmlz/techy.

So I suppose prog, deep house, mnmlz and techno are super easy to produce also. t0t4lly l0g1c4lz kekeke.


Posted by iammesol on Feb-11-2008 17:41:

Sucks that n00bs always reply to these threads first.


Posted by Alex on Feb-11-2008 17:43:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
Yeah, that argument has worked so well before.


?

I think it's a justified one.

I mean, it could be the guy's personal preference that he does not like minimal or tech house or electro house, and that's fine, that doesn't make what he listens to any harder to create though.

And it isn't the same as him saying "this tune sucks" and me saying "well if it sucks so much lets see you do better". It's him saying that an entire form of music is super easy to make and takes no skill, therefore I'd like to see him prove to me that even HE, someone who has no love for minimal, can produce a chart topping mnml-bomb (firecracker LOLOLOLOLOL-CATS) that can make him rich.


Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Feb-11-2008 17:45:

Another thing is that it isn't exactly the height of production difficulty to make a trance track and get signed: the proof appears on digital download sites daily.

As with any genre, it's hard to make good tracks, and most music that gets released, at any time and in any genre, isn't really that good.


Posted by Mr.Mystery on Feb-11-2008 17:50:

quote:
Originally posted by Alex

And it isn't the same as him saying "this tune sucks" and me saying "well if it sucks so much lets see you do better".

How is it not?


Posted by Alex on Feb-11-2008 17:51:

quote:
Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Another thing is that it isn't exactly the height of production difficulty to make a trance track and get signed: the proof appears on digital download sites daily.

As with any genre, it's hard to make good tracks, and most music that gets released, at any time and in any genre, isn't really that good.


Ya exactly, which is why finding tunes is still a challenge for DJs nowadays, just in a different way.

Instead of hitting the pavement looking for the best piece of wax out there, you have to sift through endless piles of shit on Beatport/Juno/Phonica/Trackitdown/DjDownloads (etc), to get to the good stuff.


Posted by SYSTEM-J on Feb-11-2008 17:52:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
Yeah, that argument has worked so well before.


To be fair, in this case it's probably relevant.


Posted by Alex on Feb-11-2008 17:55:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
How is it not?


Because if I asked him to produce a better track than one he claimed sucked, then how would I compare the two? It's subjective.

What isn't subjective is saying that an entire genre of EDM is easier to make than another.


Posted by Mr.Mystery on Feb-11-2008 18:01:

quote:
Originally posted by Alex
Because if I asked him to produce a better track than one he claimed sucked, then how would I compare the two? It's subjective.

What isn't subjective is saying that an entire genre of EDM is easier to make than another.

I'd say it's the same thing, the spectrum is just broader. I'm not agreeing with him either, I just think this is all a bit pointless.











Yeah, I'm one to talk...


Posted by Alex on Feb-11-2008 18:12:

Hahaha.


Posted by isoterra on Feb-11-2008 18:38:

quote:
Originally posted by nefardec
easily one of the most idiotic things i've read in some time.


although arguably no more idiotic than this:

quote:

get high.

reflect on how life is great while high.

come down.

search for sunrise.

kick, snare roll, breakdown, build up, rinse repeat

/trance


Posted by jupiterone on Feb-11-2008 19:01:

quote:
Originally posted by isoterra
although arguably no more idiotic than this:


thats kind of the process to everything though


Posted by wolftickets on Feb-12-2008 02:26:

A couple trance tunes with unusual structures

Trouser Enthusiasts - Sweet Release
intro - breakdown - chorus - verse - chorus - verse - chorus - breakdown 2 - interlude - chorus - outro

Talla 2xlc - Shine
intro - climax - breakdown - buildup - climax - breakdown - intro - buildup - climax - outro


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