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Re: EDM clichés - c'mon ppl, start being original!

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Originally posted by aNYthing 9. Sad slow strings. Look, this is club music - not a fucking funeral wake. Take this shit to chaimber, it's trite and it's a major downer. Very few can execute it well - Corsten (with Orbit's help). chances are you most certainly can't. so, stop.

If you didn't have a bridge like that, then how would you get that awesome build up that makes the crowd go crazy?

Re: Re: Re: EDM clichés - c'mon ppl, start being original!

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Originally posted by Subtle No,no,no.. If you like a genre, you WANT to listen to it, and u certainly dont want it polluded. Anyone has the right to criticise things as entertainment,art etc. without having to do better themselves. I think its about freeking time someone said it. 90% of whats coming out now is recycled bullshit, that will be forgotten in 3 months.

+1. Most modern stuff is fucking shite.

So where is your music? Show us the trance with out those 10 points!

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Originally posted by derail Hmm. One thing that really bugs me, which I've only noticed recently, is that most trance tunes have kick drums in them. What's more, most of the time they're playing a steady 4/4 beat. Seriously, check out some of your favourite trance tunes, a lot of them have this cliche throughout most of the tune! Whenever that kick comes in, I'm always like clap-clap "yayyy, way to be original, mr producer man" clap-clap-clap.

Hahaha

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Originally posted by derail is that most trance tunes have kick drums in them.

like how most cheeseburgers have cheese in them, right?


*High Five*

i love this list.. im gonna make a track with every one of these elements in there :P

well offbeat basses are out, fart basses are out, 16th basses are going to be out soon....what shall we do?

AH I got, just don´t do a bass. Bass sucks anyway

honestly, I think his points are right to some degree. especially the vocal and the harmonic stuff

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Originally posted by Johnny Cache AH I got, just don´t do a bass. Bass sucks anyway

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Originally posted by neonstereo i love this list.. im gonna make a track with every one of these elements in there :P

+1

And then I'll sign it to Warner Bros records... and make sure it's in every single movie released in 2009... get it played in every clothing store at the mall, and get a kenny-g remix to play in your building's elevator.

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Originally posted by 3F05Q thought I'd start a rant about cliché in rock music. 1. Freaking guitar with distortion.. it's been overused for DECADES! Let's get original and start using things like the V-accordion or the glockenspiel. 2. Acoustic drums are getting OLD! The same snare, the same toms, I can't stand it anymore. 3. Intro - verse - chorus - verse - chorus - bridge - chorus - outro. The same old patter over and over. For once I'd like to hear a song with only a bridge. That's it, just a bridge. I think you get my point. If there's only one thing to ask, it's be for some of those hard hitting melodies that give you chills. Haven't heard one of those in a while. Spot on with the fake guitar thing, though.

LMAO!!

I knew I was posting an asinine rantbut many understood what I meant - e.g. It would really be awesome to hear something that blows you away, no?

I know music is formulaic for the most part - but somewhere along the line someone somewhere invented the formula. Someone took it further and perfected it. How's this: name any band before the Beatles that sounded anything like it? Or speaking of Pink Floyd - name any band before OR after them that sounded like it? (not counting former pink floyd members)

So, what you're saying is that originality is overrated, cannot be achieved and must not be strived for?

Pink floyd used guitars, synths, drums, etc. but they didn't follow same old beaten formula - take "Shine on you crazy diamond" - a song that breaks so many "rock" barriers, it's not even funny! At one point it even goes into waltz tempo signature!!!! So, It would be nice to witness it again, IMHO.

There's plenty of acoustic territory left unexplored and I think that someone may stumble on it only if they take the road less traveled.

Oh, and i did clearly state that im a tallentless hack that hasnt produced anything - therefore you can be sure my opinion is unbiased

And now it's time to answer my fan mail:

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Originally posted by T-Soma Did it ever occur to you that some people like to make music for their own enjoyment?

Absolutely! I'm one of those people. I don't bash people, I bash cliches. If you love hearing 303 in your song, by all means - fucking use it. I just reserve the right to listen, not listen, like or not like. and I'm sure it don't fucking matter to anyone, I'm just expressing something I observed. thas all mang.

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Originally posted by Nightshift You're not very smart are you? Every genre has its own cliche stuff. If you don't like it, don't listen to it. Simple as that.

See above. And personal attacks are clear indication of someone who lacks any valid point to substantiate his opinion with. Well done.

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And as you talk your shit and are trying (but failing horribly) to be humorous then i'd love to hear some of the music YOU make...

I work 14 hours a day and I would KILL for some time to make music. I guarantee you that when I do, I will not use any of the elements listed. Deal? Oh, and I never said I was a producer nor a comedian.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Your presence is not required here.

Neither is yours, yet here you are, douchebag.

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Originally posted by [Alpha]Dave One of the dummest posts I've seen in a while.

I try... but I can't possibly compete with such an insightful, clever, and as smart as einstein's cumshot post as yours.

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It seems that you hate allmost everything about EDM, so why bother listening to it?

I love EDM and as someone pointed out, I hate it being diluted with shite. It is because of this love that I chose to speak up. Part of the problem with EDM is listeners like you - the ones who support unoriginal music and cheesy trite shit. Thanks for killing MY FUCKING MUSIC, DOUCHE!

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Or if you think it is so easy to "just be original", let's hear some revolutionary original choons popping out from your studio then? But as someone mentioned earlier, it seems like you're not even in to producing, wich makes your post even more idiotic.

see above about producing. grow up, kid.

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Originally posted by zodiac9 A really useless post that could of been worthwhile if presented in the right way. I've seen these kind of posts on other forums before, they almost always come off bad. Most of the time the poster has no point, as with this post. It's more a self indulgent rant than anything. The way this one is worded doesn't even invite a discussion, it's presented as fact, and closed for discussion.

It IS SELF INDULGENT. Shit music is killing EDM scene. Without natural predators, e.g ppl who may think same as I, the style will be diluted to complete utter rubbish and eventually will die. It's equivalent of letting retards procreate it results in retarded children - much like you and some other brainiacs who didn't bother to read/think and instead proceeded straight to showcasing their "brilliance".

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Originally posted by derail Hmm. One thing that really bugs me, which I've only noticed recently, is that most trance tunes have kick drums in them. What's more, most of the time they're playing a steady 4/4 beat. Seriously, check out some of your favourite trance tunes, a lot of them have this cliche throughout most of the tune! Whenever that kick comes in, I'm always like clap-clap "yayyy, way to be original, mr producer man" clap-clap-clap.

Ah, sarcasm! How refreshing! see my comment above regarding beatles/pink floyd, etc. Originality CAN EXIST even if the instruments are used by everyone. Some can get away with it and some fail. It's ok to step out of the safety zone and do something creative once in a while, something someone hasn't done before. You may be an outcast, a non-conformist but you may also be a trendsetter.

Don't be a trend whore, mmmokay?

discussion is OPEN. feel free to flame, fling poo, whatever.

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Originally posted by aNYthing Some can get away with it and some fail.

Guess which category you belong to.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Guess which category you belong to.

Well, if we take a constants, e.g. fail=you and fact that me + you cannot occupy same space, then using the formula we derive:

you=fail, me=get away with it.

Now, what do I win?

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Originally posted by aNYthing Pink floyd used guitars, synths, drums, etc. but they didn't follow same old beaten formula - take "Shine on you crazy diamond" - a song that breaks so many "rock" barriers, it's not even funny! At one point it even goes into waltz tempo signature!!!! So, It would be nice to witness it again, IMHO. There's plenty of acoustic territory left unexplored and I think that someone may stumble on it only if they take the road less traveled.

Wow? Really? The song "goes into waltz tempo signature!!!!"? Whats a tempo sugnature? Are you trying to say that its in 3/4? Because if you are, you're not saying it very well.
Incidentally, everyone's written stuff in 3/4, I do all the time. Its not at all uncommon or remarkable, nor does it make you revolutionary. Get over Pink Floyd and don't discuss what you don't understand.
And while we're on the topic of cliches, lets talk about "taking the road less travelled". Is it not the most overused cliche in the english language?

Heh, Pink Floyd used time signatures that are a lot more interesting than waltz time.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Heh, Pink Floyd used time signatures that are a lot more interesting than waltz time.

money is in 7/8.

7/8 is more interesting to me than most other time signatures, but right now I'm most interesting in 5/4, 5/8 and 13/whatever signatures, since they seem to be the hardest and therefor the least used.
Jazz uses 7/8 quie a lot from my understanding, so Pink Floyd using it isn't that revolutionary to me, although they use it incredibly well.
I don't really understand why people make such a big deal of time signatures, they sort of just get introduced as your writing the song on a conventional instrument, one of my early songs was accidentally written in 7/8 and changed between that and 3/4 and 4/4 for the chorus and bridge...
I know with trance its a bit different since you need to pick a time signature to start with, but really, there's nothing that revolutionary about odd timings, its a wonder more people don't use them.

you cannot make trance or other "techno" style music work in other time signatures than 4/4.

there are in deed some nice examples for electronic beats in wierd time signature, I would recommend everyone to listen to RADIOHEAD when it come to this. Especially the electronic stuff: Kid A, Amnesiac, the new album, the thom yorke solo album. There are so much wierd tracks.
A good example is "morning bell" on kid a. Wonderfull 5/4 beat.

Most important thing about using those signatures is to know how they are divided up. For example, a 5/4 may work as a 2/4 and 3/4 or the other way around...

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Originally posted by kitphillips Wow? Really? The song "goes into waltz tempo signature!!!!"? Whats a tempo sugnature? Are you trying to say that its in 3/4? Because if you are, you're not saying it very well. Incidentally, everyone's written stuff in 3/4, I do all the time. Its not at all uncommon or remarkable, nor does it make you revolutionary. Get over Pink Floyd and don't discuss what you don't understand. And while we're on the topic of cliches, lets talk about "taking the road less travelled". Is it not the most overused cliche in the english language?

You get extra points for noticing a tongue in cheek cliche reference.... But the rest of your post just reeks of major insecurity issues - you might have as well posted a picture of your 3/4 inch cock. Thank you for choosing a more civilized approach to show us that you're a miserable prick.

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Originally posted by Johnny Cache you cannot make trance or other "techno" style music work in other time signatures than 4/4. there are in deed some nice examples for electronic beats in wierd time signature, I would recommend everyone to listen to RADIOHEAD when it come to this. Especially the electronic stuff: Kid A, Amnesiac, the new album, the thom yorke solo album. There are so much wierd tracks. A good example is "morning bell" on kid a. Wonderfull 5/4 beat. Most important thing about using those signatures is to know how they are divided up. For example, a 5/4 may work as a 2/4 and 3/4 or the other way around...

Isn't there some breakbeat in 6/8? I guess it depends on your definition of trance or "techno" styles really. I had some song which sounded like trance but was 3/4 at one stage, maybe you'd have to call it something else though, I don't really pay much attention to genres in general.

In my worthless opinion i think the geezer is a muppet cliche or no cliche music is music and a genre is a genre. I lihe the post on rock music that gets my point across. Next someone will come one saying stop using pcs and macs to make music !!!!

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Originally posted by Johnny Cache you cannot make trance or other "techno" style music work in other time signatures than 4/4.

What about compound time hard trance like Derb - Derb?

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Originally posted by aNYthing Well, if we take a constants, e.g. fail=you and fact that me + you cannot occupy same space, then using the formula we derive: you=fail, me=get away with it. Now, what do I win?

Failures don't earn prizes.

Except in special olympics... which I presume you're very familiar with.

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Originally posted by Nightshift You're not very smart are you?

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Originally posted by aNYthing See above. And personal attacks are clear indication of someone who lacks any valid point to substantiate his opinion with. Well done.

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Originally posted by aNYthing But the rest of your post just reeks of major insecurity issues - you might have as well posted a picture of your 3/4 inch cock. Thank you for choosing a more civilized approach to show us that you're a miserable prick.

Good game. Hypocrite.

For the record at least all of the "miserable pricks" who posted here in reply ACTUALLY produce music instead of complaining about it. If you're not even a producer why are you even posting in the Production Studio thread? Maybe you should learn to comprehend because this thread clearly belongs in the Music Discussion thread.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Your presence is not required here.

+1. agreed.

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