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Originally posted by EvilTree If the cops can't be bothered to follow the law, why should i?

exactly...

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Originally posted by Invasionmix This is a good bust for the police, but for the Canadian Judicial system to bend the law saying that it's OK to perform an illegal search is quite frightening. I'm indifferent about this decision... Letting a guy go along with 35 keys of coke vs the judges bending the law... hmmm.....

who gives a shit...im all for the courts allowing illegal searches and evidence if it brings idiots to justice. this guy belong in jail for 10-20 years for having that much coke on him, u know hes a dealer...hes a piece of shit, a waste in our society, so throw him in jail and throw away the key.

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Originally posted by EvilTree If the cops can't be bothered to follow the law, why should i?

b/c sometimes police have to break the law in order to bring someone to justice that deserves to be in jail that may otherwise legally get away.

and i support police who have good intentions and break the law to do so...i dont support assholes commiting a crime and justifying it b/c a cop does it with good intentions.

just b/c they do it, doesnt justify u to do it as well. they did it to bring a coke dealer to justice, ur doing it for ur own personal gain and greed, nothing more.

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Originally posted by AustralianGQ this guy belong in jail for 10-20 years for having that much coke on him, u know hes a dealer...

who are you to judge him? are you God?
what if it was for personal use?

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Originally posted by AustralianGQ who gives a shit...im all for the courts allowing illegal searches and evidence if it brings idiots to justice. this guy belong in jail for 10-20 years for having that much coke on him, u know hes a dealer...hes a piece of shit, a waste in our society, so throw him in jail and throw away the key.

So what if you arent doing anything wrong and the cops come in and illegally search your house, ripping things apart, pointing guns in your family's faces etc? Would you not give a shit then?? Search warrants exist for a reason. It's to prevent malicious activity by those who are meant to serve us. Remember that cops are human too, and they are corruptable just as we all are. This is why we need to maintain rules under the charter (which is a flawed document in itself but its all we have right now) in our society for everyone including the police themselves. A country where the police have absolute power is not a country i want to live in. My family came to this country precisely to get away from that kind of society.

absolute power corrupts absolutely

by all records, police states aren't very pleasant places to live in

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Originally posted by chinamon who are you to judge him? are you God? what if it was for personal use?

it would be for me

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced it would be for me

hello friend! lol.

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Originally posted by EvilTree absolute power corrupts absolutely by all records, police states aren't very pleasant places to live in

And the more that people accept this behaviour, the worse it will get.

Sometimes i really fear for our great country because due to selfishness, it doesnt seem that people really care about principles that are designed to ensure our society operates as it should.

People are too focused on whats in it for them in the short term. Policies like illegal search will come back and bite you even if "you arent doing anything wrong." Eventually the laws will change so that you are doing something wrong. Or, if there are no judicial laws, it may be hard to prove that you are innocent even when you are. After all, if police arent forced to follow the law, they can do anything they please while you are still contrained to the laws placed on you in the judicial system. Hardly seems fair does it?

Also, there is a funny thing about laws.... often they are designed to force you to do something wrong such as artificial speed limits and parking restrictions. Of course this happens not for "your safety" but to make money. What if this carries over into other more serious aspects of governmental law? (which it has but thats another jerry springer show)

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Originally posted by chinamon who are you to judge him? are you God? what if it was for personal use?

are u really that stupid and ignorant?

hey im just going with the flow...everyone else judges everyone on this site, so im doing it too. no one should have coke on them in the first place.

coke is illegal, personal use or not.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 So what if you arent doing anything wrong and the cops come in and illegally search your house, ripping things apart, pointing guns in your family's faces etc? Would you not give a shit then?? Search warrants exist for a reason. It's to prevent malicious activity by those who are meant to serve us. Remember that cops are human too, and they are corruptable just as we all are. This is why we need to maintain rules under the charter (which is a flawed document in itself but its all we have right now) in our society for everyone including the police themselves. A country where the police have absolute power is not a country i want to live in. My family came to this country precisely to get away from that kind of society.

thats a different scenario then the one in this news article. im tryna say that the cops were justified in what they did to this idiot with that much coke on him.

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the court said throwing out reliable evidence because of Charter violations must be balanced against public concerns about escalating gun violence.

This sounds like the "proportionality test" that is built into the charter to ensure that any limitation of the charter is proportional to the harm caused to society by not limiting the charter. I studied a few cases on this in uni in the context of degrading pornography and a few other aspects (lol I can only remember the porn one ). I don't think this decision can be made at the Appeals Court level but rather at the Supreme Court, where you have a wider scope of opinion with a much larger knowledge base.

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Originally posted by AustralianGQ thats a different scenario then the one in this news article. im tryna say that the cops were justified in what they did to this idiot with that much coke on him.

But if the cops dont have laws to follow wouldnt they be able to argue that they are always justified based on "the security of greater society?" Cops and politicians already use the guise of safety and well being to promote their own agendas. We definately do not need more of this.

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Originally posted by AustralianGQ thats a different scenario then the one in this news article. im tryna say that the cops were justified in what they did to this idiot with that much coke on him.

But if the cops dont have laws to follow wouldnt they be able to argue that they are always justified based on "the security of greater society?" Cops and politicians already use the guise of safety and well being to promote their own personal agendas. We definately do not need more of this.

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Originally posted by fayraree This sounds like the "proportionality test" that is built into the charter to ensure that any limitation of the charter is proportional to the harm caused to society by not limiting the charter. I studied a few cases on this in uni in the context of degrading pornography and a few other aspects (lol I can only remember the porn one ). I don't think this decision can be made at the Appeals Court level but rather at the Supreme Court, where you have a wider scope of opinion with a much larger knowledge base.

And this is why our charter is deeply flawed. Basically the charter is the law unless someone feels it shouldnt be the law. Which is why we have so many double standards here in Canada

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Originally posted by Jayx1 And this is why our charter is deeply flawed. Basically the charter is the law unless someone feels it shouldnt be the law. Which is why we have so many double standards here in Canada

Every law is the law until someone feels it shouldn't be. We call her Bev. McLaughlin.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 And this is why our charter is deeply flawed. Basically the charter is the law unless someone feels it shouldnt be the law. Which is why we have so many double standards here in Canada

This why I love our legal system and have 100% faith in it, as I know Canadian values at large will be upheld, regardless of what the law is. If law is inconsistent, it will be corrected due to this test. This is why I feel safe raising my children here.

...and once my views are inconsistent with Canadian views, I'll move outta here.

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Originally posted by AustralianGQ are u really that stupid and ignorant? hey im just going with the flow...everyone else judges everyone on this site, so im doing it too. no one should have coke on them in the first place. coke is illegal, personal use or not.

What kind of world are you living in my friend?

I don't know what its really like "down under", I've heard crazy shit like the toilet flushes the opposite direction and other nonsense, I've never been so I can't tell you for sure...

...but one thing I can tell you for sure is that there is no way coke is illegal in Australlia.

Coke is one of the most recognizable names on the planet, and the people who market it are not idiots. You expect me to believe they would leave an entire continent of their sales plan? I don't care how many people you have to bribe, you make it happen if you're the worlds largest softdrink distributer and an entire continent (there are only 7 for god's sake)wants to make your product illegal.

I refuse to believe that coke is illegal in Australlia, nor is it here, so I think a retraction of your comment would be welcomed at any time, and i know I'm not just speaking for myself here.

And as for personal use...who are you to decide what someone's personal use should be?
When I was a kid I used to drink a big gulp a day. Sure it was excessive, but I was my own boss, I made my own decisions, like it or not.

What happened in the long run? Sure I had a belly and didn't date girls for a little while, but now I rarely touch the sweet stuff.

Regulating softdrinks is not the way to go, in Canada or Australlia. Maybe China, but certainly not here, and that is a fact!

I refuse to listen to any more nonsense. Judging someone for their coke-habit is just plain lame.

^ lol

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Originally posted by AustralianGQ im tryna say that the cops were justified in what they did to this idiot with that much coke on him.

wtf is a "tryna" ? a cross between a dinosaur and a vagina i'm guessing...

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Originally posted by fayraree This why I love our legal system and have 100% faith in it, as I know Canadian values at large will be upheld, regardless of what the law is. If law is inconsistent, it will be corrected due to this test. This is why I feel safe raising my children here. ...and once my views are inconsistent with Canadian views, I'll move outta here.

So you are comfortable with UNELECTED judges making new laws? Im sure not!

One person's opinion against a government of ELECTED representatives who represent the people is not my definition of freedom and democracy and the will of the people.

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Originally posted by shanny What kind of world are you living in my friend? I don't know what its really like "down under", I've heard crazy shit like the toilet flushes the opposite direction and other nonsense, I've never been so I can't tell you for sure... ...but one thing I can tell you for sure is that there is no way coke is illegal in Australlia. Coke is one of the most recognizable names on the planet, and the people who market it are not idiots. You expect me to believe they would leave an entire continent of their sales plan? I don't care how many people you have to bribe, you make it happen if you're the worlds largest softdrink distributer and an entire continent (there are only 7 for god's sake)wants to make your product illegal. I refuse to believe that coke is illegal in Australlia, nor is it here, so I think a retraction of your comment would be welcomed at any time, and i know I'm not just speaking for myself here. And as for personal use...who are you to decide what someone's personal use should be? When I was a kid I used to drink a big gulp a day. Sure it was excessive, but I was my own boss, I made my own decisions, like it or not. What happened in the long run? Sure I had a belly and didn't date girls for a little while, but now I rarely touch the sweet stuff. Regulating softdrinks is not the way to go, in Canada or Australlia. Maybe China, but certainly not here, and that is a fact! I refuse to listen to any more nonsense. Judging someone for their coke-habit is just plain lame.

I think pretty soon they are going to ban sprite as the name is offensive to those who are short and fairy like in nature. LOL

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Originally posted by Jayx1 So you are comfortable with UNELECTED judges making new laws? Im sure not! One person's opinion against a government of ELECTED representatives who represent the people is not my definition of freedom and democracy and the will of the people.

personally, i think it's good enough check and balance against politicians making stupid decisions

as long as the judges aren't arbitrary and politically neutral.

I don't want judges to be politicized either

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Originally posted by EvilTree personally, i think it's good enough check and balance against politicians making stupid decisions as long as the judges aren't arbitrary and politically neutral. I don't want judges to be politicized either

Then why have elected politicians at all if what they enact into law isnt recognized? Let's just appoint judges and forgo elections. Perhaps we could rename them from judges to chairmen. After all, the canadian flag is red!

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Then why have elected politicians at all if what they enact into law isnt recognized? Let's just appoint judges and forgo elections. Perhaps we could rename them from judges to chairmen. After all, the canadian flag is red!

because politicians do dumb things and judges are there to prevent that stuff.

c'mon jay. you're all about protecting rights of the minority, right?

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