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Originally posted by Shad0wmaster My theory about this: girls like music with words, guys are more into rhythm. (It's not a rule, of course, it's just what I've noticed.) Anyone with me?

Pretty much. The vast, vast majority of girls that I've met, including my girlfriend, don't like wordless music. I find that guys tend to be much more receptive than girls to music without lyrics and generally concentrate on other things (like instrumental melodies, timbre, or rhythm).

I've met a few girls who like classical music, but I don't think I've met any who like wordless electronic music.

leave wherever you are living!


they exist! and rock!

oddly enough... all the girls i know LOVEEEE drum and bass.... and of course house. whenever we are going somewhere the second i change it from house/dnb they yell at me to put it back.. especially when i put trance on lol
silly girls

I want a chick who likes deebee...

A chick who plays Magic and likes any EDM? Priceless

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Originally posted by Dojomaster26 I want a chick who likes deebee... A chick who plays Magic and likes any EDM? Priceless

You're pushing into super uglies territory there. You're on your own with that boat.

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Originally posted by Zild You're pushing into super uglies territory there. You're on your own with that boat.

exactly what i was thinking. i seem them at university all the time... unless you put 0% of attraction into looks, your screwed hahah

Re: DJ n00b diary: I finally got in the groove of mixing

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Originally posted by FromAbove Hey, so the past few days, before Valentines, I was stressing out trying to make a love mix sound good, and it always came out like shit. I didn't understand how to smoothly mix one track to another. Until today. I made a playlist of 10 progressive house tracks. I discovered that the best way to introduce a new track on top of a playing one is by starting the next track with the bass killed until the current track drops into the outro kick stage, if that makes sense. And all the while have an 8 beat loop of the next track playing until that outro of the current, open the bass, and then wait for the new track to go into the "first stage" of its "journey" and then kill the first song's bass. This allows the first song to then be under the new one, and since there is no bass, only the high parts make noise and you can fade it out gradually as the new song gets going. It always sounds good, unless the hi-hats get in the way. I also discovered to lower the treble if needed. All basic shit, I know. It's why I referred to myself as n00b.

you wanna know what really sucks? is that just when you think your mix sounds good, it's actually still crap!!!

lol

now let me explain myself...

when the 'day' came that i thought my mixing was ok...it really wasnt. you know how i figured it out? about 6 months later i went back and listened to those old mixes and they were total crap compared to how much better my mixing had become.

sometimes u dont really know the quality of your mixing until a more experienced dj listens to it.

now maybe you're happy with they way they sound, and maybe you dont need someone else to justify the quality of your mix. if you're happy with it, then rock on!

but when i play live whether it be on internet radio or at club/party and an audience, i like to know that my mix is decent & people arent laughing behind my back.....or at least i like to recognize when a transition goes bad.

it's kinda sad when u see a dj and he thinks he's all good, but he actually sucks...but hey, he's enjoying himself right? & thats probably what's more important (as long as you're not the one paying for the set )

...and NO, my mixing isnt perfect...hopefully you can say at least it's "OK"

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Originally posted by Shad0wmaster My theory about this: girls like music with words, guys are more into rhythm. (It's not a rule, of course, it's just what I've noticed.) Anyone with me?

I would agree with this. All the girls that I know that say they love House music, (Read: Bob Sinclair + ATB) love the stuff with vocals, I've spun at a couple of there parties and I rarely play anything that is purely instrumental because they can't "dance" to it.

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Originally posted by DJ Z lol now let me explain myself... when the 'day' came that i thought my mixing was ok...it really wasnt. you know how i figured it out? about 6 months later i went back and listened to those old mixes and they were total crap compared to how much better my mixing had become. sometimes u dont really know the quality of your mixing until a more experienced dj listens to it. now maybe you're happy with they way they sound, and maybe you dont need someone else to justify the quality of your mix. if you're happy with it, then rock on! but when i play live whether it be on internet radio or at club/party and an audience, i like to know that my mix is decent & people arent laughing behind my back.....or at least i like to recognize when a transition goes bad. it's kinda sad when u see a dj and he thinks he's all good, but he actually sucks...but hey, he's enjoying himself right? & thats probably what's more important (as long as you're not the one paying for the set )

I know exactly what you mean

I thought I had beatmatching down, but listening to mixes from a year ago, compared to mixes made in the last month, it sounds like two different DJs!

And no, I don't mind chicks that aren't babes. But if they can have a conversation with me, and have some brains...

With DJ Z on all he said...


On the girls thing, I have found that you can't really generalise too much, as quite a few of the clubs I play do have a core crowd of females who will definately come out for a reputable DJ.

It's the age old thing though, Women are from Venus, Men are from Mars... We (Assuming that the majority of posters are male) men tend to view creativity differently and tend to have a need to understand and practice things and ultimately show off how clever we are. Women can sit back and enjoy things in a different way and don't usually have the same compulsive need to be so into something. You are always going to have exceptions though.

That said, my wife is heavily into Techno (Liberator, Dave the Drummer etc) and anything that isn't Trance or House as she sees both as boring, but she likes Tech Trance. She hates vocal house most of all, but loves anything with really nasty bass and a furious tempo.

She loves music, but when I introduced her to Marco V she asked me afterwards "Who was that little bald guy that you wanted me to meet?" Yet she loves Marco Vs music and can pick it out in a flash... go figure.

If you are having trouble finding women who like 'good' dance music though you are probably in the wrong clubs because there is a massive female following in club land.

Let us not forget that we are DJs and are probably some of the most obsessed individuals in the business and can't judge a persons musical interests based on our own.

cheers
Nem

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Originally posted by Zild You guys need to meet higher quality women. Hell even this girl who works in my lab and is pretty cute asked me what kind of DJ I was. I told her electronic, and she said 'Like what? house? trance?" So yeah go find yourself some better women.

MARRY HER! NOW!

Most of the girls who come to our EDM parties are into Benassi, ATB, David Guetta, and, like, oh my god Tiesto and Armin Van Buuren, he's soooooo gooooooooood

fucking state of trance crowd.

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Originally posted by Stu Cox Haha at least it's a start. We had Dave Pearce playing at our uni a couple of years ago and afterwards loads of girls were on the union messageboard saying "I like dance music, but the music he was playing was awful with no melody and you couldn't dance to it, I didn't know any of the songs". He just played his usual load of seriously cheesy chart trance, old skool and all the bog standard classics like Insomnia etc - my Mum would probably have known just about everything he played and she hates dance music.

At the second to last party I tried playing a bunch of progressive but very danceable house... the room was half-empty, so I put on some PVD and people stampeded from upstairs. Later I was told the stuff I played was "too hardcore" even though we advertise the events as ELECTRONIC DANCE MUSIC, PROGRESSIVE, TRANCE, HOUSE.

So I said, fack it, I'll sell out, and played ASOT trance at the last party, complete with vocals from Jan Johnston, Big Sky, and a bunch of other AVB-style stuff... and yet in the end even my mate, who is into trance a lot (although is known to be fond of Tiesto and Van Booring himself), said that there wasn't enough vocals.

What the fack is up with these people... I feel like I'm 'selling out' and am not being taken seriously if I take semi-cheesy requests and if I don't, I feel like an uptight asshole DJ with a half-empty room. I need to find the middle ground.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I've met a few girls who like classical music, but I don't think I've met any who like wordless electronic music.

My ex used to listen to my PVD and Oakey mp3-CDs with livesets that I would forget in her car. She also listened to Proton radio, which is pretty progressive, in her dorm room especially when she did homework. In fact, couple of times I had told her to switch the damn thing off because the minimal stuff they were playing was messing with my mind. She had a way of tuning it out though and it was more of a background noise for her, although she did have a taste in tracks. When I listen, I'm like "nice bass, sucky transition, nice tune, blah blah"
Then again, she is in love with Rammstein and just got a degree in computer science, which is not very typical of women.



Women like vocals and such melodic stuff because they're into emotions and feelings. Guys like more abstract stuff.

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Originally posted by whiskers MARRY HER! NOW!

I'm trying to!

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Originally posted by whiskers Most of the girls who come to our EDM parties are into Benassi, ATB, David Guetta, and, like, oh my god Tiesto and Armin Van Buuren, he's

you can't forget the "oh you like trance? i LOVE trance, that bob sinclar 'world hold on' song is my favorite!" girls.

For me the most important thing is that I emotionally connect with an individual or a piece of music. A lot of it has to do with how we or women are exposed to music. My girlfriend was classically trained and v introverted. I started playing trance, mainly vocal, in the kitchen when I was cooking. After a couple of days she started moving her hips to the music and then dancing. She felt so liberated and surprised herself at the way she could 'let go'. But with me she feels safe to do so and the music gives her confidence. She might think twice in a public venue. I noticed a lot of guys saying that their girlfriends were v receptive. I think that we are receptive, more so, when we are more emotionally connected to someone or something. I actually listen to a piece of music and then go out and see what effect it has on those around me. Music changes us, and how we relate to one another. this fascinates me as I am always looking for ways to improve the emotional connectivity with others. Ive made a lot of friends this way.
Where women are concerned and having spent most of my working life with women, they seem to need more a deeper relationship that most men are willing to provide. It seems to me that they want depth, but dont get that. They want conversation, intelligent response and many men, not all by any means, just cant be bothered. So women often just give up and become what they think they are expected to be, until someone comes along and takes a genuine interest in what they think and feel.Often that doesnt happen.
This is only my experience and I post it for what its worth.

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Originally posted by JD8180 you can't forget the "oh you like trance? i LOVE trance, that bob sinclar 'world hold on' song is my favorite!" girls.

"trance" is a MAJOR improvement on "techno"

techno techno techno

/like the "ch" in "chinese"

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Originally posted by Purpose Unknown For me the most important thing is that I emotionally connect with an individual or a piece of music. A lot of it has to do with how we or women are exposed to music. My girlfriend was classically trained and v introverted. I started playing trance, mainly vocal, in the kitchen when I was cooking. After a couple of days she started moving her hips to the music and then dancing. She felt so liberated and surprised herself at the way she could 'let go'. But with me she feels safe to do so and the music gives her confidence. She might think twice in a public venue. I noticed a lot of guys saying that their girlfriends were v receptive. I think that we are receptive, more so, when we are more emotionally connected to someone or something. I actually listen to a piece of music and then go out and see what effect it has on those around me. Music changes us, and how we relate to one another. this fascinates me as I am always looking for ways to improve the emotional connectivity with others. Ive made a lot of friends this way.

Unfortunately, most of the women I know these days are quite past that 'liberation' thing you speak of (unless they're from an all-girls school, then it's a whole different game). They're all about getting down and dancing, and believe me, I come from a computer science background where we have absolutely no contact with the cream of the crop, so these are the more down-to-earth (in terms of liberation) women I see.

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Originally posted by Purpose Unknown Where women are concerned and having spent most of my working life with women, they seem to need more a deeper relationship that most men are willing to provide. It seems to me that they want depth, but dont get that. They want conversation, intelligent response and many men, not all by any means, just cant be bothered. So women often just give up and become what they think they are expected to be, until someone comes along and takes a genuine interest in what they think and feel.Often that doesnt happen. This is only my experience and I post it for what its worth.

So they want depth, but in being social? And when it comes to music, depth is not involved?
I don't mean to drive this thread offroad (as if it didn't happen already) and turn it into a men vs. women thread, but what you're saying seems to be one-sided - at men's expense. Don't get me wrong, I am a bitter man, but you come off a little negative towards men by saying that (even if some) men can't be bothered to provide conversation and intelligent response. I don't see what this has to do with liking EDM.

Point taken. I guess im just reflecting what seems to be a big gripe against a certain kind of male by the majority of females ive been in contact with. On the other hand its not a one way give...men have their preferences too. I do have to say though, without any negativity on my part, that I can see what women are getting at.
Depth is involved where music is concerned, but I think you have point about background etc. I also had to spend a lot of time really getting to know women beyond the public face they presented, so im being a bit unfair I think. I lived in Rome for many years where the whole boy/girl thing was so much more gentle and cultured.A lot of the parties I go to here and events are still dominated by the macho male thing which really annoys me.
Anyway what does this have to do with liking EDM? Simply, its all interelated for me, but that is my philosophical bias Thanks for your response. It made me think.

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 If you are having trouble finding women who like 'good' dance music though you are probably in the wrong clubs because there is a massive female following in club land.

Eh, maybe in Europe.

Ever been to America?

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Originally posted by Hand Signal X Eh, maybe in Europe. Ever been to America?

There are women who like dance music in the US too.

And yes I have been to America. Admittedly never DJayed there but I know that women in the US like dance music too. You guys are just looking for love in all the wrong places he he.

Cheers
Nem

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 You guys are just looking for love in all the wrong places

you got that right

sorry, being a little emo today, my ex-girlfriend is a cheating slut as i just found out last night

i'm a little drunk and stoned too, to boot

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 That said, my wife is heavily into Techno

W T G !!!!!!!!!!!!

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You guys are just looking for love in all the wrong places he he.

I agree totally, but would add that with skill and maturity comes the ability to find the right thing even in the wrong place. A good musician can make music within the limitations he is given.

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Originally posted by Purpose Unknown I agree totally, but would add that with skill and maturity comes the ability to find the right thing even in the wrong place. A good musician can make music within the limitations he is given.

point in case: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=J-JHmOYnnFU

thanks, CDM

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