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I dont' drink anyway so I could care less if it didn't have it.

A lot of the early techno clubs like The Music Institute didn't serve alcohol, presumably for licensing reasons.

I think a lack of illegal drugs would have a far more dramatic effect:

http://www.chinstroking.com/2008/01/dance-drugs.html

However, in terms of alcohol:

- I think people would neither stay at the club longer or shorter. The lack of alcohol would allow their bodies to last longer, but the lack of drunkenness would make them moody and shorten their attention span.

- Less people would pick up (presumably).

- I think atmosphere would actually be improved vastly.

Personally, I rarely drink to get drunk, usually about once a month. It's only my love for music and heavy athletic background (endurance) than can keep me at clubs til 8am stone cold sober; I think very few people can do this without assistance, whether it's alcohol or drugs. Most people simply get too tired, or too bored.

I don't drink at all...so it wouldn't make a difference for me, plus it saves me a ton of cash.

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Originally posted by ******** If you are just going to get totally thrashed just spend it on 100$ of liqour and stand outside in the end it'll probably be the same effect.

llol

unfortunately it seems the majority of the uk population are of the belief that they dont have the guts to have fun unless they are wasted. i know i have an awsome night at a good party while being sober enough to drive home. but i also know i have a better time when im drinking alternate pints of cider, lager and v+rb.

i think the sad truth is that 99% of the clubbing community would not go if they couldnt get wasted and forget about their shitty day job. you would left with 5 or 6 hardened clubbers who are really there for the music and not the getting wasted.

it was quite nice at the armada night at ade because i think i was the most wankered of everyone in there.

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Originally posted by richg101 unfortunately it seems the majority of the uk population are of the belief that they dont have the guts to have fun unless they are wasted.

I think this is spot-on. And most of the conversation at work is spent about talking who got the most wankered, who pissed where and threw up on who, and how they're gonna do it all again next week. Great.

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Originally posted by ******** The venues need to make money or they can't pay the bills. Fact is clubs often make $$$'s off alchohol.. of course if they arn't bringing in revenue from that it could be other sources, like cover charges.. now if you can get trashed or pay a door price (maybe just if your a guy) what one would you go for?

I would disagree with that at all night event the majority are on drugs and i would say that they dont make massive amounts on the bar only on one bottle of water each which everyone fills up in the toilet they make the most from ticket sales. Clubs make far more by hosting cheese nights when the majority are geting legless.

Best case scenario: You get a club filled with people truly in it for music, like a lot of dry afterhours places, or even some famous former NYC clubs like Arc.

Worse case scenario: You get the techno equivalent of a Hardcore show with all straight-edge dudes, dancing frustratedly alone.

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Originally posted by Dyshein All beer and alcohol seems to do, at least at the clubs I"ve been to, is lead to fratty douchebags mock-raving you on the dance floor (I have not been to a SINGLE club when my raving has not sparked some guy to do the robot to make fun of me).

I don't think alcohol is the reason people mock you...

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Originally posted by ******** The venues need to make money or they can't pay the bills. Fact is clubs often make $$$'s off alchohol.. of course if they arn't bringing in revenue from that it could be other sources, like cover charges.. now if you can get trashed or pay a door price (maybe just if your a guy) what one would you go for? All in all though I won't go into great detail although some things are clearly blatant - fact is booze bring in money - if not that they need to sell something else.. or run a charity location.. The thing is places that have other established stuff, pool halls, games rooms, restauraunts, coffee shops, etc.. still have some revenue. There needs to be some type of commercial traffic or someone with lots of cash that they are willing to throw into the idea for whatever reason. Like the CIA may have interest in throwing raves in Afghanistan.. but really is that all too likely? All kinds of ways to look at it.. but take places in Islamic countries.. they still may have the odd tourist club that has special liqour rules. but hardcore muslims generally don't drink.. but of course drugs were in part invented in the middle east and beer too. Simple fact.. I'd rather have the doors open and sell.. but there is a balance between cover ladies nights, and sales.. or dread say a house dealer, runners or gang, mafioso traffic. The money has to come from somewhere.. although people can run things for cheap or as a hobby.. big clubs as far as I'm aware ARN'T cheap.. if you look at the price of super clubs say in Ibiza.. Florida or New York or California for instance.. or resorts.. the things arn't cheap.. the lighting, and acts etc.. arn't cheap.. that is why they have fairly large ticket prices.. then with .. "superstar dj's" it doesn't make things any cheaper. As for the balance between sales and covers? No idea.. Alchohol of course ain't the thing.. except it creates physical dependance and social conformity ... Like if you head out to raves.. some of them definately made huge on sales of water or other stuff I would think.. while clubs have sorta costly energy drinks.. or beverages.. but balancing the bar, at a profit level to cover staff can be issued.. headliners that can pack the place of course ain't gonna hurt.. of course running a club or deciding on a 0alcohol etc.. is questionable.. I've been to quite a few 0alcohol events (I think) maybe not.. and they played not very different from liscenced events or 19+ zoned events. Of course after a few drinks you arn't thinking the same way personally I like being intoxicated sometimes.. othertimes not, personally I'd rather be intoxicated in a small social group then at a superclub.. it'd just be so damped out, but it would be a treat but if you are paying 100$ for a covercharge you don't want total amnesia unless you are there. If you are just going to get totally thrashed just spend it on 100$ of liqour and stand outside in the end it'll probably be the same effect.

With every new post of yours that I read I get further proof that stupidity, like the universe, has no limits.

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Originally posted by woscar99 With every new post of yours that I read I get further proof that stupidity, like the universe, has no limits.

Give him a break man, he has some good points in there.

And also the Universe IS Finite.

Pro - No More Drinking Crowd not there for the music

And Not having to wait till 4 - 5 am for them to leave to have some room to dance ...

sorry for the double post

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fact is booze bring in money - if not that they need to sell something else..

he hit the most obvious nail on the head

And you still mock

99.9% go out , get drunk , dance to some good EDM , pull and have sex with a fat girl , wake up and leave.

00.1% stand there bored wanting to go home.

could be compared to the veggie vs meat eater debate.

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Originally posted by adi_hanson he hit the most obvious nail on the head And you still mock 99.9% go out , get drunk, pull and have sex with a fat girl , wake up and leave.

fixed for accuracy and truth.

someone who loves EDM as much as I do could have a great time totally sober

best club event of my life was James Mahoney and Pat Murphy this past summer and my gf and I were totally sober. Although that was certainly not the case with the rest of the partygoers.

but alcohol (not piss drunk of course) is always fun when dancing

Iv been to a couple of clubs that dont sell any booz and the party goes strong.

good thread

and yes it does make a difference. In melbourne we have some shitty new alco laws that are preventing sale at festivals after 2am or 3am and it is really shit.

Crowd really lack energy in the second half of the night and if the punters aren't drinking they're doing something else that worse off and it gets pretty messy.

all in all it the atmosphere that suffers

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