what is 'heroic' about john mccain?

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Posted by Lebezniatnikov on Mar-09-2008 22:27:

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z
You do realize that only adds to my point about bolstering image?

But certainly not to my point that the CFR incorporates a diverse membership that brings a wide array of different viewpoints, perspectives, and experiences in the realm of international affairs, in order to promote free exchange of information and ideas that contribute to more effective and thorough discussion of global issues.

Posted by shaolin_Z on Mar-09-2008 22:30:

quote:
Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
But certainly not to my point that the CFR incorporates a diverse membership that brings a wide array of different viewpoints, perspectives, and experiences in the realm of international affairs, in order to promote free exchange of information and ideas that contribute to more effective and thorough discussion of global issues.

Yes, it fits that naive perspective too.

Posted by Lebezniatnikov on Mar-09-2008 22:38:

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Yes, it fits that perspective too.

Well I'm glad we could agree on something.

Posted by shaolin_Z on Mar-09-2008 22:40:

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Well I'm glad we could agree on something.

LOL, indeed.

Posted by shaolin_Z on Mar-09-2008 22:44:

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Well I'm glad we could agree on something.

Just out of curiosity, do you find diebolt to be a disturbing developement in the electoral process at all? (just a question, no "ill intentons" or anything with that one )

Posted by Lebezniatnikov on Mar-09-2008 22:52:

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Just out of curiosity, do you find diebolt to be a disturbing developement in the electoral process at all? (just a question, no "ill intentons" or anything with that one )

Yes.

I'm no fan of corporatism in politics - I just don't see CFR fitting that trend. As an International Affairs student, I've looked up to CFR for a long time with everything they have done to promote debate on foreign policy issues in the public. Back in the days of the Cold War, most policy decisions were made in dark rooms and little justification was ever given to the public. If anything, I would even make the argument that CFR has done a great public service in actually increasing transparency in foreign policy formulation through their public forums held by public officials and private analysts with a lot of influence in government. The input from reputable voices in the non-profit sector and at the UN also gives a more accessible appraisal of situations on the ground around the world. CFR certainly gave a great deal more context to the current Administration's plans in Afghanistan and Iraq, as well as providing an appropriate venue for criticism of those agendas.

"Foreign Affairs" is by far and away my favorite publication, and I think CFR does a great job maintaining a balance between opposing views.

But to your original question - I find Diebold and it's ties to various political machines to be very troublesome. I understand that counting paper ballots is tedious and subject to distortion in its own way, but I am leery of one corporation being responsible for tabulating every vote in this country with no paper trail to speak of.

Posted by Alex on Mar-10-2008 02:52:

Oh fuck off the both of you, you're both retarded.

shaolin: "My words are big!"
Lebezniatnikov: "you hide beind your big words"
shaolin: "big big BIG words"
Lebezniatnikov: "you're a fag for hiding behind big words"
shalin: "I own you all with hidden meanings because I'm a 14 year old who passed history"
Lebezniatnikov: "my name is big, but not as big as your hidden meaning words"

Posted by jerZ07002 on Mar-10-2008 03:09:

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Originally posted by Alex
Oh fuck off the both of you, you're both retarded.

shaolin: "My words are big!"
Lebezniatnikov: "you hide beind your big words"
shaolin: "big big BIG words"
Lebezniatnikov: "you're a fag for hiding behind big words"
shalin: "I own you all with hidden meanings because I'm a 14 year old who passed history"
Lebezniatnikov: "my name is big, but not as big as your hidden meaning words"

HAHAHAHAHA.....classic!!!

Posted by shapes on Mar-10-2008 03:28:

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z
I'll give you a hint, the CFR, Bildergerg group, and Trilateral Commision have had top politicians and CEOs from all over the world attend meetings that went unreported in the press for years, and still go completely uncovered, not to mention are heavily guarded to maintain security and keep and kind of journalists or press completely out and the public absolutely in the dark. Doesn't sound very democratic to me. Especially when an unknown governor from Arkansas goes to meeting before his 1992 campaign and magically becomes president. That's just one of many examples. Some key funders are the Morgans, Rockefellars, and Rothchilds. That should tell you a little something. Ofcourse, it means absolutely nothing to some people, just pure coincidence.

We need to be e-friends I might be going to Bilderberg next year

Posted by Lebezniatnikov on Mar-10-2008 04:01:

Posted by shaolin_Z on Mar-10-2008 17:20:

Posted by habsfan on Mar-11-2008 02:57:

Shaolin_Z check pm

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