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Re: vtt

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Originally posted by u4e I'm using PCDJ Red, and some external stuff. Here's my setup: Presario Laptop -> running PCDJ Red (connected via serial to Numark DMC-1) -> output to 2 soundcards (1 internal/1 external) -> soundcards feeding into Stanton mixer -> output to headphones/speakers Here's a pic of the setup: Good luck

I have a similar setup, except I have turntables too... The sound cards connect to the mixer's LINE IN inputs while the turntables connect to the mixer's PHONO inputs, so I can practice mixing my records with mp3s. Great for practicing before I'm able to track down the record or to see if a track mixes well with my existing records before I decide to buy it on vinyl.

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Originally posted by quddha Well I guess thats cool, if u just like to fool around and have some fun, and not get too serious about having maaaad skillz.

Yeah, just having fun is fun

well... it seems everyone is saying this program that program is a toy junk junk blah blah....

the way i look at it is this... all "DJ" programs for the computer are simply learning tools. very few professional DJs use them for live gigs... but many professional DJs use them to learn with.

mixmeister is great for designing mixes... play around with them in non-real time and do your arrangments.. then take to your decks with a real plan.

atomixmp3 is great for learning phrase alignment and the very beginning of beatmatching - you can visually percieve the music's beats, which gives a beginner a much better idea of the music... and you'd be supprised what you can pull of with atomixmp3 if you have an exernal mixer. it's a great beginner tool.

traktor, well... im not sure what to say about it. to me, it's a cross between a professioal interface with toy-like features. reminds me of atomixmp3 in a way, but requires more skill.

VTT and PCDJ are probably the closest you will get to real hardware mixing. PCDJ is VERY much like two CD decks, and even supports dual soundboards with an external mixer.

so start with some of the simplier, easier to deal with stuff.. mixmeister, atomixmp3, bpm stupid.. then give up some candy features.. pick up PCDJ or VTT.. learn to beatmatch by ear.. then ditch the PC and get full hardware. it's a logical progression thing



-mer

i started off with vtt, when i first got it i was terrible but i liked the program. after some practice my mixes were perfect
even tho i had to cue from the speakers and vtt has lag issues

when i get my new comp im gonna get a second sound card and a cheap mixer, so ill have 2 audigys & a crappy mixer

ever since i installed windows xp, and vtt stopped working, i've been MISERABLE... i haven't made a mix in sooo long, and i've been trying to find a replacement for vtt.... in the past 2 days, i can safely say i've tried almost ALL of the mp3 mixing programs out there, and not a SINGLE one even comes close to being as good as vtt...

all those "professional" mixers like mixvibes, pcdj, that will cost you an arm and a leg, might be fun if you had the external controllers and an external mixer... but by themselves, they stink bad.... they try to be too realistic, with all the knobs and fancy skins. knobs are just no good when you're trying to "turn" them with the mouse... ugh... too fancy... all bells and whistles....

the rest of them like, atomix, and crap... just toys. they might be useful for just running through a playlist with some beatmatching... but as for actually mixing the songs yourself... garbage...

i even tried some really ghetto ones.... spuntrix1 mp3 mixer?? wtf... it sucked...

i miss vtt..... =(. does anyone know when digital turntables is coming out? it just might be the answer to my prayers...

i know, i miss VTT too. it kicks ass on everything else.

luckily, my technics 1200 M3ds arrived today..

but, i still want DJ on computer too.
i don't have a mixer and needles yet, so i can't play with them anyway.

either, go back to windows 98, or wait for DTT to come out.

it's already in beta.

Re: vtt

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Originally posted by u4ea I'm using PCDJ Red, and some external stuff. Here's my setup: Presario Laptop -> running PCDJ Red (connected via serial to Numark DMC-1) -> output to 2 soundcards (1 internal/1 external) -> soundcards feeding into Stanton mixer -> output to headphones/speakers Here's a pic of the setup: http://www.geocities.com/one_big_shark/mdjsetup.jpg Good luck

thats a nice looking setup there
cool, ill have to get one of those Numark DMC-1's myself

yea, i cant wait for dtt myself, is it public yet??

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Originally posted by JohnSmith i know, i miss VTT too. it kicks ass on everything else. luckily, my technics 1200 M3ds arrived today.. but, i still want DJ on computer too. i don't have a mixer and needles yet, so i can't play with them anyway. either, go back to windows 98, or wait for DTT to come out. it's already in beta.

you lucky bastard, =P... i'm still waiting for my technics 1200s.... but i'm still about a few years and a few thousand dollars away from getting them, =P... sheeit...

yep.. i was where you are a year or two ago.

i decided i needed to have techs. so i saved up and bought them.

gotta sacrifice i guess.. i gave up smoking pot, and watched my bank account grow like crazy.

hahahaha just did the same thing myself... but my friends still smoke... and pass it my way... so it's all good!

Re: vtt

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Originally posted by u4ea I'm using PCDJ Red, and some external stuff. Here's my setup: Presario Laptop -> running PCDJ Red (connected via serial to Numark DMC-1) -> output to 2 soundcards (1 internal/1 external) -> soundcards feeding into Stanton mixer -> output to headphones/speakers

I'm planning on getting a laptop this summer so that I could have a setup something like this (minus the DMC-1 because I don't think I'll have quite enough money for it - how much did it cost you?) so I just have a couple questions for you. What sort of external soundcard you're using? Is it PCMCIA, USB, otherwise? How is the latency? I assume the other card is just the built in one that comes with the laptop, correct?

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Originally posted by MERiDiAN5i2 hahahaha just did the same thing myself... but my friends still smoke... and pass it my way... so it's all good!

yep, that's what i do too! years of sharing paid off, now i can smoke for free pretty much.

hmm.. i would think there would be a latency difference between internal and external cards... maybe not... but that sounds like a dope setup

I use a P3-1gig in a small form factor case with two PCI soundboards and just drag it with me for digital mixing...

It seems dificult to locate a laptop that will work well with audio apps.. maybe that laptop is one to consider


-mer

Yeah, I'm looking at either a laptop or a mini-pc+LCD, which I think would probably be portable enough to carry to parties, etc. And more versatile than the laptop, I guess. Laptop's just super easy to transport, though.

what's the point?

Does anyone know where I can get a tutorial for Traktor or PCDJ?

if your looking for a decent small machine for mixing, check out the shuttle SS50 barebones box.

It's TINY, has two PCI slots, P4 motherboard (The SS40 model has an AMD board), and has integrated FireWire, USB, and 6 channel CMedia sound - looks like the perfect box for a portable mix station.

-mer

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Originally posted by MERiDiAN5i2 if your looking for a decent small machine for mixing, check out the shuttle SS50 barebones box. It's TINY, has two PCI slots, P4 motherboard (The SS40 model has an AMD board), and has integrated FireWire, USB, and 6 channel CMedia sound - looks like the perfect box for a portable mix station. -mer

ATM I'm looking at an e-Cube system (http://www.viahardware.com/cfs868_1.shtm) that's about the size of the SS50, but has an AGP slot and supports P4 chips. I would stick a Santa Cruz in the PCI slot for decent sound output.

interesting... the ecube looks pretty cool.

anyhow, the santa cruz is based on a cirrus logic / crystal sound CS4630, which Im not too familiar with. if it's anything like the previous cirrus/crystal chips, im guessing the drivers for it suck.

can you run multiple CS4630 boards in the same computer, I read over the CS4630 spec and couldnt find anything about multiple devices.

one thing I like to avoid in soundboards is an AC97 interface - AC97 interfaces isolate the DSP unit from the analog outputs, and use a seperate interface to convert the digital sound into analog, which is what AC97 is - AC97 is a serial link between the digital DSP chip (the CS4630) and the analog output device (a CS4297, 4298, or 4299 in this case) -- this just adds to the complication of the device. I like the MAudio and CMedia setups where the DSP and sound output is on one chip - this results in 1/4 the number of onboard components and im alot of cases results in lowered latency.

i might have to pick up one of these cs4630 based boards and see just how good they are :P maybe cirrus has learned from thier previous (and PATHETIC) chipsets (which didnt even have full stereo channel seperation)

-mer

Most of the soundblaster bashing boards I frequent recommend the Santa Cruz as one of the best alternatives as far as compatibility/etc.

hmm cool.. so can i put two or three of them in one box?
can't seem to determine that

I suppose you could, but I don't know. They have at least dual outputs each, though.

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