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Originally posted by Skipper It's just stupid for you to say that they are being given preferential treatment based on the color of their skin. That's not what is happening at all. I think Harvard could have appeased them without such an uproar by offering different times or locations for the women to work out. Less of an inconvenience, same result for the women.

just want to make sure that i never said the treatment was given due to the colour of their skin..has nothing to do with that...


Ah well...life is life...

I think this is "discrimination" in principle.

Yes, this gives a chance for Muslim women to exercise comfortably and there is nothing wrong with that.

But in principle, the gym is closed to all men. Yes you can say it's open to all women, not just Muslim women. Fact is thought that this trial is being done to specifically accomodate Muslim women. All women are not being specifically accomodated here, only Muslim women.

The linked article has a Muslim woman that mentions "we must show tolerance and respect for all others". I agree with that, but it works both ways. Yes, I see nothing wrong with showing some tolerance and respect for Muslim women, but at the same time, it goes the other way too. Muslim women should show respect and tolerance for other cultures and religions.

Giving preferential or specific accomodation to Muslim women puts things on a slippery slope. What about all the other cultures or religious groups that request specific accomodation for various reasons? Will they be given the accomodation as well, or will this be only for Muslim women? How far can this potentially go? Will every religious or minority group at Harvard have preferential or specific accomodation?

As I mentioned, showing tolerance and respect for all others works both ways. Certain minority and religion groups must understand that while the US is a free country in many ways, they have to also be tolerant and respectful of the majority of people in the US. It's a bit naive and unrealistic for a minority group living away from their home country and culture to expect preferential treatment or accomodation. Same applies to Canada.

In simpler terms, (as an example) Muslim women living in North America and away from their home country should not expect the society to fully accomodate them. They're living in another country, so it's only fair that they respect and live by the rules and standards of that society set by the majority.

Looking at the other side of the coin, if the average American were to go live in Saudi Arabia, they should not expect their Western way of life to be fully accomodated. A North American living in Saudi Arabia will have to respect and abide by certain rules and standards of that society.

Although Harvard's catering towards Muslim women only might have a little too much to do with the whole politically correct movement, it really isn't that big a deal.

For example here at U of T (St. George campus) one of the two main athletic centers have women-only weight room hours.

Sure it sucks getting kicked out mid-workout but then you can just go to the other gym that's a block away.

Some of the men in this thread are truly deserving of the title of - BITCHES! In short, you lot are a fucking embarrassment to the Male gender...

well that sucks...

that's the best part about being part of a University gym!

I know my gym at my University campus was associated with a private gym, so anyone who could pay for it could be a member...

I'm sure all the old men were in heaven working out at that gym!

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Originally posted by Skipper Religion does not just refer to the color of someone's skin. In fact, it's not related at all. What an ignorant comment.

no matter how you look at it....its discrimination.

Its only 6 hours of the 70 hours the gyms are open...well that is ust great....so lets divide up the other 64 hours to all other minority groups....that way everyone is happy....everyone will get their 10 second work out.

I have no problem with giving them time when they can work out by themselves but instead of taking away from every male that uses the gym how about adding an additional 6 hours to when the gym is open and charge them extra for the use during those times.

I'd like to hear from the women that go to gyms to meet men as much as working out. There are plenty that do, I've met some single moms and newly divorc�es in mine, and it's kinda obvious they're there for more than a workout. They've been ripped off too.

For the people saying this is discrimination, how do you feel about women's only gyms?

York already has one, and there are plenty set up around town.

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Originally posted by Orko For the people saying this is discrimination, how do you feel about women's only gyms? York already has one, and there are plenty set up around town.

Yes, and many have been sued or human rights complaints set against them, and many settled out of court.

It's sex discrimination any way you look at it. What women have strived and worked so hard for, to set in law, now says it's ok under courtesy... dilutes the law of equal rights for everyone.

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Originally posted by devnull ermmm its called majority rule. If you cant fit, find a place that fits you. Dont make the world revolve around you.

that's right
honestly, I'm so tired of reading and hearing this crap
first Christmas trees, now this
honestly, get over yourselves and embrace the rules and regulations of the country that has given you its citizenship with respect and understanding

why couldn't they just start they own recreational room for religious ladies? why are we expected to understand and respect THAT while they suddenly think they're all that and can go on disrespecting our rules and views?

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Originally posted by Intangible Its not a time for only Muslim women... ALL women are able to attend.

but none of the non-muslim women had problem with having a co-ed gym
because who the hell goes to gym to worry about having men there? you go to work out and mind your own business!

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Originally posted by Orko For the people saying this is discrimination, how do you feel about women's only gyms? York already has one, and there are plenty set up around town.

I am againt women's only gyms....that being said.....if the gym from day one is a women only gym I have less issue with it as it is a private membership. In this case memberships are open to people that meet certain requirements (assuming you have to be a student at the school) and now people that meet the membership requirements are not allowed to use the gym.

I remember years ago the uproar their was because of a very exclusive golf club in Mississauga where all members were male and no female members were allowed....but they did allow women to play the course if accompanied by a member.

since when York has a all-women gym? as far as I know it's co-ed
are we talking about Keele or Glendon campus?

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Originally posted by Mykh Although Harvard's catering towards Muslim women only might have a little too much to do with the whole politically correct movement, it really isn't that big a deal.

A little too politically correct, yes. Not a big deal, no. It sets precedent so that other groups can start making demands. How can Harvard accommodate all of them?

I'm no lawyer but when someone becomes a student and starts paying fees, some of which goes to fitness facilities, they enter into a contract to use those facilities as-is and abide the rules and regs set forth by the university? If so, Harvard should have an opt out option for people who will not accept terms and do not want to use the facilities with everyone else.

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew since when York has a all-women gym? as far as I know it's co-ed are we talking about Keele or Glendon campus?

When I was there 4 years ago they had one on the Keele campus. I specifically remember getting an orientation (in my first year, Sept 2002)and being told it was the womens only gym on campus. Maybe they removed it? I assumed it would still be there.

I have no problem with a womens only gym based on the reasoning: they get harassed in that environment, by men.

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Originally posted by Tordan I'm no lawyer but when someone becomes a student and starts paying fees, some of which goes to fitness facilities, they enter into a contract to use those facilities as-is and abide the rules and regs set forth by the university? If so, Harvard should have an opt out option for people who will not accept terms and do not want to use the facilities with everyone else.

You may not be a lawyer, but your reasoning sounds good to me.

What I am saying, is that I understand both sides of the argument, and would have sided with Harvard whether they implemented the policy or not.

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Originally posted by Orko When I was there 4 years ago they had one on the Keele campus. I specifically remember getting an orientation (in my first year, 5 years ago?)and being told it was the womens only gym on campus. Maybe they removed it? I assumed it would still be there. I have no problem with a womens only gym based on the reasoning: they get harassed in that environment, by men.

no man it's always been co-ed (I've been there 2003-2007)
Tait McKenzie is the only gymnasium on campus as far as I know

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Originally posted by Orko I have no problem with a womens only gym based on the reasoning: they get harassed in that environment, by men.

even that argument shouldn't pass
women can get harassed in ANY environment, recreational or professional, doesn't mean that every facility should be divided by gender

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Originally posted by Mykh For example here at U of T (St. George campus) one of the two main athletic centers have women-only weight room hours.

Yes, our very own UofT has been doing this for a very long time and I have never seen anybody complain. It's honestly a waste as only 5-10 women use the gym at this time.

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Originally posted by Mykh Sure it sucks getting kicked out mid-workout but then you can just go to the other gym that's a block away.

This shouldn't really be happening to you, as the hours are posted everywhere. Time your workout accordingly. It's not really an option to go to another gym - 30 minutes between sets kind of ruins the workout

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew no man it's always been co-ed (I've been there 2003-2007) Tait McKenzie is the only gymnasium on campus as far as I know

I was there in 2002, and it was a small subsection of Tait, tucked away in the back somewhere. Maybe it was a women's only time? All i know is the orientation person pointed it out to me (the area was exclusive to women), and there were only women in the place at the time.

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Originally posted by Orko I was there in 2002, and it was a small subsection of Tait, tucked away in the back somewhere. Maybe it was a women's only time? All i know is the orientation person pointed it out to me (the area was exclusive to women), and there were only women in the place at the time.

wow, yeah I guess not anymore! I've never heard about that when I joined in 2003

In practice this is no big deal, in principle it's discriminatory.

Get a membership for Curves, then stfu.

They need more space to do yoga...

^^ that pic was uncalled for.

This topic makes me think of the safe stop rule TTC has. At night (during specific hours) on TTC busses women can request the bus driver to stop and let them out where they want to get off. Now, I wonder if I were to try would this rule also apply for males...

My gym has a small "Women Only" section
Also has a pool, daycare, physiotherapy rehab center, juice bar etc.
Everyone views it as just another subdivision of the building
No one complains

Most female members workout in the larger main area anyway
I only go into the women's area to do weights

Anyway sounds like this kind of subdivision might solve the problem in Boston

I think the whole thing is very stupid and abuses the fan-fare "minority rights" system which has become a total obsession of the western world. These women should work out at home or adjust to the current system. period.

PS. This reminds me of one time in high school when my sister was working on a project with a middle-eastern girl whose parents, I suppose, embraced certain cultural/religious doctrine very strictly... anyway her dad called ahead and asked how many males lived in our house... and requested that my father (only male) leave the house while she's there. WTF??? lol I will never forget that. Some people are so weird to me.

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Originally posted by Tordan ^^ that pic was uncalled for.

Which, the one of the Taj? Why?

I thought it was funny...

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Originally posted by �Zm�zis This topic makes me think of the safe stop rule TTC has. At night (during specific hours) on TTC busses women can request the bus driver to stop and let them out where they want to get off. Now, I wonder if I were to try would this rule also apply for males...

I get your point, but males do not have to worry about their punani being violated. The said women don't want to be gawked at in the gym, but not afraid of being violated.


So I've been thinking of alternate solutions myself and came up with this one;

I understand the modesty requirement in Islam, and not showing curves of their body. Corporations also understood this demand when women had the same dillema in swimming pools and beaches. They created compliant swimwear such as the pic below, and I have already seen a person wearing one recently, made by Nike.



So I'm asking, why can't it be possible creating compliant athletic wear for gyms?

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