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Originally posted by DJ Shibby Is that the fellow who wrote the book of optics?

Yup, amongst many other subjects.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby The other two I think are fun theorists, with good imaginations. Especially Kaku, though he seems like a bit of a quack at times to me, kind of like he's trying to sell me some product. Most of his predictions so far have been a bit off, if you've read any of his books. I thought paper was supposed to have been replaced by now with paper-thin computer tablets? Damn, he must not have taken Bush and the oil extravaganza into consideration. heh

Stephen Hawkings is a theoretical physicist, but I definetly wouldn't put him in the category of quacks. Some of his work might have become mainstream pop-science so to speak, which is just coincidental. But Michio Kaku on the other hand, is more than a bit of a quack. Which is why it would be interesting to have all three of them in one room.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN are you seriously telling me you believe that was written in 1871?

Are you seriously asking that question?

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Are you seriously asking that question?

yes, i am!

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN yes, i am!

I thought you said I'm "crazy," so why does it matter what I think ?

It's an excerpt from a Albert Pike's (a Sovereign Grand Commander and grand representative of four jurisdictions) letter to Giuseppe Mazzini, an Italian Freemason (nominated as "Most Potent Sovereign Grand Commander Grand Master" by the Supreme Council Grand Orient of Italy). Masons deny any correspondence and claim it's anti-masonic propaganda (progagated by two Mason nonetheless, lol, Domenico Margiotta and Leo Taxil). That should put you at ease PKC, since Masons are so open and trustworthy .

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z I thought you said I'm "crazy," so why does it matter what I think ? It's an excerpt from a Albert Pike's (a Sovereign Grand Commander and grand representative of four jurisdictions) letter to Giuseppe Mazzini, an Italian Freemason (nominated as "Most Potent Sovereign Grand Commander Grand Master" by the Supreme Council Grand Orient of Italy). Masons deny any correspondence and claim it's anti-masonic propaganda (progagated by two Mason nonetheless, lol, Domenico Margiotta and Leo Taxil). That should put you at ease PKC, since Masons are so open and trustworthy .

It�s a fine line between genius and craziness mate

i have no knowledge at all about pike, but i find the idea that he used the term "nazi" 18 years before hitler was born a little suspect.

edit: oh, and my dad used to be a mason! does that make me even MORE evil? i should ask him about that next time i see him.

How dare you guys forget these guys:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiddu_Krishnamurti

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_tesla

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_sagan

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN It�s a fine line between genius and craziness mate i have no knowledge at all about pike, but i find the idea that he used the term "nazi" 18 years before hitler was born a little suspect.

I don't, so I guess that makes me crazy .

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN edit: oh, and my dad used to be a mason! does that make me even MORE evil? i should ask him about that next time i see him.

Ha, that explain a lot! j/k Ask your dad what Lodge(s) he's a member of, where he was initiated, and what's his current degree .

so you think mr pike was a seer then?

Nah man, dad left the lodge when I was still a kid, wasn't his cup of tea.

To my dinner party I would invite Jerry Falwell, Richard Dawkins and Jesus Christ

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN so you think mr pike was a seer then? Nah man, dad left the lodge when I was still a kid, wasn't his cup of tea.

It's bad enough that I'm a theist for most atheists on this forum, which supposedly makes me irrational and borderline insane . So I won't talk about other things I've been involved in, witnessed, or know via direct experience. Don't worry, if I never had certain experiences or knew certain people, I'd think shaolin_Z is insane too . BTW, I'm going to leave it at that... as I'm already a nutcase apparently , I don't need to push the envolope anymore than I already have on PDD... besides the fact that it's completely pointless nor in my personal interest to do so.

EDIT: But no, he's wasn't a seer or anything like that... in defense of my sanity . I'll tell you who is though, Nick Warren... fucking badass DJ.

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Originally posted by George Smiley To my dinner party I would invite Jerry Falwell, Richard Dawkins and Jesus Christ

LOL, that should be interesting.

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Originally posted by shaolin_z Ibn al-Haytham - the pioneer of the scientific method.

Looked him up on Wikipedia, what an interesting fellow. But, I wouldn't pick him, otherwise I would want to bring Paul Feyerabend, Thomas Kuhn, Imre Lakatos and Karl Popper along... and then hell would break loose

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Originally posted by Lira Looked him up on Wikipedia, what an interesting fellow. But, if I wouldn't pick him, otherwise I would want to bring Paul Feyerabend, Thomas Kuhn, Imre Lakatos and Karl Popper along... and then hell would break loose

Those are some interesting people you mentioned there, thanks for the list .

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Those are some interesting people you mentioned there, thanks for the list .

If you like philosophy of science, read "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions", by Thomas Kuhn, and "Against Method", by Paul Feyerabend - you will never see science the same way (although Paul Feyerabend is known for being way too unorthodox).

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Yup, amongst many other subjects. Stephen Hawkings is a theoretical physicist, but I definetly wouldn't put him in the category of quacks. Some of his work might have become mainstream pop-science so to speak, which is just coincidental. But Michio Kaku on the other hand, is more than a bit of a quack. Which is why it would be interesting to have all three of them in one room.

hahahaha

I like the way you think.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium How dare you guys forget these guys: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiddu_Krishnamurti http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_tesla http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_sagan

mmm

They are not forgotten here.

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Originally posted by Lira Looked him up on Wikipedia, what an interesting fellow. But, I wouldn't pick him, otherwise I would want to bring Paul Feyerabend, Thomas Kuhn, Imre Lakatos and Karl Popper along... and then hell would break loose

A large sum of our modern technology breakthroughs occurred in cultures and times which we are unable to understand.

Mainly, ancient China, and the Persian world.

Mostly in pursuit of war, as always, and eventually finding their technological placeholds in the mundane complacency of the commonality.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby A large sum of our modern technology breakthroughs occurred in cultures and times which we are unable to understand. Mainly, ancient China, and the Persian world.

What technology / knowledge did the west obtain from China?

Thomas Jefferson, Niccol� di Bernardo dei Machiavelli, Karl Rove

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Originally posted by Renegade What technology / knowledge did the west obtain from China?

Lots of early engineering breakthroughs, especially in the use of fire, which enabled metals to be melted and molded that couldn't be prior. also, paper, gunpowder, money, etc

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby A large sum of our modern technology breakthroughs occurred in cultures and times which we are unable to understand. Mainly, ancient China, and the Persian world. Mostly in pursuit of war, as always, and eventually finding their technological placeholds in the mundane complacency of the commonality.

I think I didn't really understand what you mean... Was there some sort of well established non-European philosophy of science?

Jesus and Richard Dawkins...

Tucker Carlson, Bill O'Reiley and the Re-Animated corpse of Ronald Reagan.

Amenhotep IV (Akhenaten), Zadok (King Solomon�s chief priest) and Diotima of Mantinea

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Umm, three more Bruce Lee (aka L�ih S�ul�hng), Noam Chomsky, & [edit]Sigmund Freud Bill Hicks

Yeah, I'd definitely want to meet up with Bill!

and Terence McKenna, Aldous Huxley...

Emerson, Thoreau and even H. L. Mencken

Morihei Ueshiba, Lao Tzu, Rumi, there are really just too many to list

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