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Posted by Yohan on Mar-18-2008 16:24:

If you play this game, you'll probably go to hell

http://www.adultswim.com/games/game...game=biblefight


Posted by Ek0nomik on Mar-18-2008 16:58:

quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
the fact that there is indeed a book called the bible. how would the bible be "fake" ?


If you read the rest of the thread you will grasp what the OP was probably aiming at.

When someone says, "I believe the Bible is real", they are generally referring to the contents, not the physical object itself existing.


Posted by Moral Hazard on Mar-18-2008 17:02:

quote:
Originally posted by Ek0nomik
If you read the rest of the thread you will grasp what the OP was probably aiming at.

When someone says, "I believe the Bible is real", they are generally referring to the contents, not the physical object itself existing.


Real means many things to many people. There are parts of the bible that are extremely accurate, some that are a question of faith, others that are based in truth, and still others that are either allagory or complete fabrication. If one has actually read the bible and examined it in context one would find that they cannot make any blanket statements about the validity of the bible.


Posted by Direct on Mar-18-2008 17:17:

Id rather suffer in hell than to serve in heaven.


Posted by Moral Hazard on Mar-18-2008 17:30:

quote:
Originally posted by Direct
Id rather suffer in hell than to serve in heaven.


Interesting. What gives you the impression that heaven (assuming it exists) would bind you to an eternity of servitude? Do you have some theological basis for this? Additionally, do you have some theological basis to believe that hell would not entail servitude?


Posted by Direct on Mar-18-2008 17:37:

Haahaa. Id thought it be something cool to say. But you know I dont really think of that jesus, bible, serve the lord in his kingdom of heaven crap. I think of more important stuff like what im going to eat for dinner to planning out my future.


Posted by miamitrance04 on Mar-18-2008 17:57:

quote:
Originally posted by Direct
Haahaa. Id thought it be something cool to say. But you know I dont really think of that jesus, bible, serve the lord in his kingdom of heaven crap. I think of more important stuff like what im going to eat for dinner to planning out my future.


genius


Posted by miamitrance04 on Mar-18-2008 18:04:

quote:
Originally posted by Moral Hazard
What he's saying is that many of the people and events in the bible can and have been proven somewhat accurate based on other evidence from non-biblical sources. The fact that there are Roman coins with Pontius Pilate's name and image on them as well as records from Roman sources that reference him is relatively good evidence to coroborate his existance (which was once questioned by many). There are many other instances where non-biblical sources and archeological finds coroborate various biblical stories as being at least based in fact. This is why he's stating that the bible is a good historical source (albeit one cannot consider it entirely accurate).


+9,999


Posted by leph555 on Mar-18-2008 18:44:

quote:
Originally posted by Yohan
If you play this game, you'll probably go to hell

http://www.adultswim.com/games/game...game=biblefight


that game is actually quite fun!


Posted by shapes on Mar-18-2008 18:47:

If the writer of the bible was still around today, he'd be more rich than Bill Gates.

Fake.


Posted by Moral Hazard on Mar-18-2008 19:13:

quote:
Originally posted by shapes
If the writer of the bible was still around today


There are at bare minimum 27 writers of the bible, possibly 32 (as some of the authors are disputed) or somewhere near 100 if you give each writer of a psalm a writting credit.


Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Mar-18-2008 22:01:

quote:
Originally posted by miamitrance04
anyone that discredits the historical aspect of the bible is an idiot,


there are many many history expert idiots then. hasn't renegade already stomped you into the ground over this? i'd like to be able to do the same but i am not a glutton for punishment.

quote:
Originally posted by Moral Hazard
If one has actually read the bible and examined it in context one would find that they cannot make any blanket statements about the validity of the bible.


all i know is that its in the running for the most boring book ever written award. i particularly like the chapter of begetting!


Posted by Clovis on Mar-19-2008 00:00:


Posted by Moongoose on Mar-19-2008 00:09:

Brilliant.


Posted by stren on Mar-19-2008 00:25:

quote:
Originally posted by UmmiE
It's real I have one in my bookshelf.


+1
autographed too


Posted by Fibonacci on Mar-19-2008 00:38:

Many parts of the bible were written well after the lives of the apostles and disciples and such. They are stories and should be regarded as such, unless you are a strict dogmatic catholic. There are many historical truths to the stories.


Posted by Clovis on Mar-19-2008 01:05:

quote:
Originally posted by Fibonacci
Many parts of the bible were written well after the lives of the apostles and disciples and such. They are stories and should be regarded as such, unless you are a strict dogmatic catholic. There are many historical truths to the stories.



What about the rest?


Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Mar-19-2008 01:38:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis
What about the rest?


hey, dont knock the stories about rape and sodomy!


Posted by Moral Hazard on Mar-19-2008 12:29:

quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
all i know is that its in the running for the most boring book ever written award. i particularly like the chapter of begetting!


No question, it isn't the most exciting read... that doesn't mean it's completely without merit. Even if one has absolutely now belief in the faith components of the bible it still has value as a collection of myths, history of a people and morality tales.


Posted by Moral Hazard on Mar-19-2008 12:44:

quote:
Originally posted by Fibonacci
Many parts of the bible were written well after the lives of the apostles and disciples and such. They are stories and should be regarded as such, unless you are a strict dogmatic catholic. There are many historical truths to the stories.


You state desciples and apostles... so you're clearly talking new testament. Considering that of the eight authors of the 27 books of the new testament; three were disciples (Matthew, Peter, and John), two were Jesus' brothers (James and Jude), and one was a contemporary of Peter (Paul)... it's pretty safe to say that most of the books of the new testament were writen during their lives. I think where you may be confused here is with the Gospels, two of which were writen by persons that did not actually witness any of the events therein. Of course, many of the Old Testament books were written decades to centuries after the described events allegedly occured.


Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Mar-19-2008 13:13:

quote:
Originally posted by Moral Hazard
No question, it isn't the most exciting read... that doesn't mean it's completely without merit. Even if one has absolutely now belief in the faith components of the bible it still has value as a collection of myths, history of a people and morality tales.


oh yeah, absolutely. i can distinguish between religion and a book of historical importance and i have a secret love for revelations! its traditional fantasy at its coolest


Posted by colonelcrisp on Mar-19-2008 13:18:

I love the bible, i especially like hte one where harry is in teh tri wizards tournament....... o shit wrong book... oops


Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Mar-19-2008 13:20:

harry potter is the worst work of fantasy fiction since revelations.


Posted by Moral Hazard on Mar-19-2008 13:27:

quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
oh yeah, absolutely. i can distinguish between religion and a book of historical importance and i have a secret love for revelations! its traditional fantasy at its coolest


Actually, Revelations is really a message to Christians at the time of it's writing. It isn't actually about the end of the world but about the present time. It was written in order to motivate Christians to continue their defiance of Rome (the beast is Nero - six hundred, three score, and six = Nero in a Hebrew code familure to Christians of the time, the "mother of harlots = rome). John was exciled by Rome and writing this manuscript in code so that it would not be understood as a call to keep up the fight against Rome... probably so his guards wouldn't destroy it. Those who believe he's actually talking about a war of evil vs. good with Jesus physically decending to earth in order to venquish the evil are mistaken, probably because they lack the historical context or requisit background knowledge to understand the allagory. In the end, John is really just stating his belief that if Christians hold true to their faith it will conqure rome... turns out he was right.


Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Mar-19-2008 21:48:

quote:
Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Actually, Revelations is really a message to Christians at the time of it's writing. It isn't actually about the end of the world but about the present time. It was written in order to motivate Christians to continue their defiance of Rome (the beast is Nero - six hundred, three score, and six = Nero in a Hebrew code familure to Christians of the time, the "mother of harlots = rome). John was exciled by Rome and writing this manuscript in code so that it would not be understood as a call to keep up the fight against Rome... probably so his guards wouldn't destroy it. Those who believe he's actually talking about a war of evil vs. good with Jesus physically decending to earth in order to venquish the evil are mistaken, probably because they lack the historical context or requisit background knowledge to understand the allagory. In the end, John is really just stating his belief that if Christians hold true to their faith it will conqure rome... turns out he was right.


Nonsense. It�s john on the mushies!


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