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Originally posted by Mike007 I'm Frank. Frank Gery. I come up with building designs by crushing a piece of paper. lol Seriously. I'm a brick layer, work part-time through LabourReady. Without me, your CAD drawings would never materialize. hahaha!

without our cad drawings, you wouldn't be building anything.

I'd rather be a CAD monkey than an architect I think. If shit falls down 20 years later, I won't get sued into the ground because my name isn't stamped on those plans :P

I've been toying with AutoCAD Architecture 2009 for a few days now, and I gotta say I really like the interface redesign. It's very much like Office 2007, in that everything is laid out on top, visually, in that "ribbon" layot. Finally everything is in the Dashboard, as opposed to 2008 which seemed like a test exercise for them to see if it was worthwhile doing. It is so much faster than dropdown menus, especially when you're in the Visualization workspace.

I loves me some 3D building models, especially when they can generate elevations and sections for me with a few clicks. Fuck sections. That's why I really want to learn Revit. Build your model, and it'll generate a full set of plans for you. Mmm mmm good!

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Originally posted by Mike007 Seriously. I'm a brick layer, work part-time through LabourReady. Without me, your CAD drawings would never materialize. hahaha!

That is THE most ignorant thing I've heard anyone say. I'd LOVE to see you design a structure that's made from sustainable building materials and stands upright. I'm sure you know alot about the structure of a building given your trade, but unless you spend 4 years learning EVERY aspect of the function and design of a building, you have NO argument.
Having said that, i respect all building trades because (you're right) without you guys, our designs would never be applied to a project.
Now... can't we all just get along?!?!?

Haha yeah, how about a steel skeleton building with a rainscreen like Cor-Ten or Cembonit instead of brick veneer? Besides, using brick as a structural element isn't particularly common around here anymore...

WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?

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Originally posted by italarmo Graduated from Architectural Technology (Dipl. Arch) in 2005 Currently working for a design firm downtown and enrolled in part-time studies @ Seneca for Interior Design (diploma)

I graduated in 2000 & also work for a design firm downtown.

However, I knew by 3rd year that I didn't want to do it for the rest of my life, but thought it would ridiculous to stop at that point.

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 I've been toying with AutoCAD Architecture 2009 for a few days now, and I gotta say I really like the interface redesign. It's very much like Office 2007, in that everything is laid out on top, visually, in that "ribbon" layot. Finally everything is in the Dashboard, as opposed to 2008 which seemed like a test exercise for them to see if it was worthwhile doing. It is so much faster than dropdown menus, especially when you're in the Visualization workspace. I loves me some 3D building models, especially when they can generate elevations and sections for me with a few clicks. Fuck sections. That's why I really want to learn Revit. Build your model, and it'll generate a full set of plans for you. Mmm mmm good!

Have you tried Architectural Desktop? I used to use that program back at my last firm and it does everything for you! You customize your walls with the proper dimensions and materials, so when you drop in your walls as blocks, all of the materials you customized the block with (gypsum, v barriers, insulation) are all in the wall! It essentially builds you a 3D model that you can section too. It's pretty kick-ass

Right now the company i work for JUST got AutoCAD 2008

Right now I am addicted to using Maya, I have been using it for all my projects. The animated walkthroughs you can do are beautiful !

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Originally posted by VERTiG0

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Originally posted by italarmo

I am not an architect, I am an electrical engineer actually...anyway to my point

You guys ever use Revit also by Autodesk? I know a few people in the industry and they swear by it. I played around with it a bit and it is awesome. SO much better than Autocad, and I have used autocad since R14.
Anyway just my $0.02. You should try the software if you havent yet

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Originally posted by Cro_Addict You guys ever use Revit also by Autodesk? I know a few people in the industry and they swear by it. I played around with it a bit and it is awesome. SO much better than Autocad, and I have used autocad since R14.

I've also heard it's MUCH better than CAD, but unfortunately I haven't come across the program to use it and find out for myself.
Isn't it a lot more expensive than CAD though?

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Originally posted by italarmo I've also heard it's MUCH better than CAD, but unfortunately I haven't come across the program to use it and find out for myself. Isn't it a lot more expensive than CAD though?

yeah it is. much easier to model stuff in 3d right away. The way the whole program works is different than autocad.

why don't u try it out at home *cough*torrent*cough*

I used CAD since Ver12 & I still use it daily even though I am a Project Architect. (It dont matter what you do as longest you do what you got to do.)

Maya is awesome for renderings. (the best in my opinion)

Revit is cool but I can live without it too.


PS. This thread is really very intelligent.

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Originally posted by italarmo Have you tried Architectural Desktop?

Architectural Desktop is AutoCAD Architecture, just the previous name for it.

Also, Revit is by no means better than AutoCAD at all, it's just a different way of doing things. Definitely better for those of us who think better in 3D than in 2D.

I'm the architect of the matrix...

autocad was a fuckin mess. hate that program. the new 2009 is more user friendly with that ribbon like office 2007. i might start using it more now although i'm determined to not waste my summer this year and learn revit.

right now however, i'm a sketchup addict. nothing better than this program to do prelimernary designs. quick. easy. simple. and you can import the models into revit which saves a shitload of time.


ps. has anyone used photoCAD?

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Originally posted by ReenTeenTeen I used CAD since Ver12 & I still use it daily even though I am a Project Architect. (It dont matter what you do as longest you do what you got to do.) Maya is awesome for renderings. (the best in my opinion) Revit is cool but I can live without it too. PS. This thread is really very intelligent.

Architects draw, think, solve, communicate, NOT CAD. Those are done by CAD monkeys, like yourself.

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Originally posted by smuncky right now however, i'm a sketchup addict. nothing better than this program to do prelimernary designs. quick. easy. simple. and you can import the models into revit which saves a shitload of time.

You my friend are on the way to being an architect. Leave the CAD work to the monkeys. Use that brain to think and design. I've heard Sketchup is wicked. I should try it out.

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Originally posted by italarmo I'm sure you know alot about the structure of a building given your trade, but unless you spend 4 years learning EVERY aspect of the function and design of a building, you have NO argument.

I have 8+ years of experience in brick laying and have perfected the art of brick laying... so let's not even argue What do you think is more complex, using a single glass piece as the wall like in most modern buildings, or the traditional way using brick, which require a whole set of layers/barriers within that single wall.

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Originally posted by Mike007 I have 8+ years of experience in brick laying and have perfected the art of brick laying... so let's not even argue What do you think is more complex, using a single glass piece as the wall like in most modern buildings, or the traditional way using brick, which require a whole set of layers/barriers within that single wall.

So, should I start calling you a peon then? You manual labourer?

Uncouth! Uncouth! He gets his hands dirty to make a living!

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Originally posted by Yohan So, should I start calling you a peon then? You manual labourer? Uncouth! Uncouth! He gets his hands dirty to make a living!

whatever tickles your pickle, wannabe dj.

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Originally posted by Mike007 whatever tickles your pickle, wannabe dj.

WHO IS THIS GUY?!?!?!

SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!

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Originally posted by italarmo WHO IS THIS GUY?!?!?! SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!

lol relax there. Why does it bother you so much that he states it pretty much as it is?

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Originally posted by italarmo WHO IS THIS GUY?!?!?! SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!

Yes I will dude. Didn't mean to seriously piss any of you off. Just wanted to let it out, and shake things up a bit... get some dialogue going. You know what I mean. I've had enough b.s from people who think they're better than the others just cause they have the title, go to Uni or have a paper.

Here is something for all you future architects to contemplate about; words from my mentor, past colleague and favourite architect, Peter Gluck.

Gluck�s harshest words are aimed at the masochistic educational and professional system that trains architects to speak like idiots but fails to train them to build. �It usually takes them a year before, all of a sudden, their verbose language disappears,� he says. �After they�ve been in the office for a year, they don�t talk so much anymore. It�s either there or it isn�t there. It isn�t that there aren�t narratives to our buildings, but the buildings either express what we�re trying to do or they don�t. So the learning part of it is frustrating because I wish people had the knowledge to start with, but they don�t.�

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Originally posted by Mike007 Yes I will dude. Didn't mean to seriously piss any of you off. Just wanted to let it out, and shake things up a bit... get some dialogue going. You know what I mean. I've had enough b.s from people who think they're better than the others just cause they have the title, go to Uni or have a paper.

It's not what you say, it's how you say it.

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Originally posted by Mike007 You my friend are on the way to being an architect. Leave the CAD work to the monkeys. Use that brain to think and design. I've heard Sketchup is wicked. I should try it out.

honestly, it's one of the easiest pieces of software to learn and to work with. the thing i love about is that you don't have to be exact to the hundreth millimeter. it lets you play with the shape and form and it quickly allows you to change a component without screwing up everything else and having to re draw it.

i believe each piece of software is good for different tasks. when you combine the strength of each, you're productivity sky rockets. that's why revit is becoming so popular because it's a total BIM tool.

that also applies to the whole construction process. each field has it's own part and without all the other parts, it's useless. that's why there has to be respect between all the trades in the industry.

I've used sketchup a lot, but I find at times its one of those programs where its so simple that it becomes complicated, lol.

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