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Originally posted by SMC Schizophrenia.

Well-played.

My final word on the matter is that I like the crazy stuff, although I still don't care for "Coma" in particular.

People were saying that Sasha - Coma didn't go anywhere...I think THIS is the definition of music not "going anywhere". I don't mind listening to something like this once in a while, but really, only once in a while.

Little something to break retardness that invaded this thread:



Amon Tobin - At The End Of The Day
Completely different style, and little more pleasant to the ear. Amon made even more complex tunes, but this one has really occupied me lately and I just have to share it with people who haven't heard it yet. One more proof that he's one of the most technically skilled producers out there. Video was made by some fan, but it's also very cool.

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Originally posted by Gen3r4l1ty Not the type of sound I'd wanna hear dancing in a club, but definately the type of music that makes me want to sit down, enjoy a smoke, put on some headphones and go on a journey. Or maybe I'm just a freak.

I was thinking the exact same thing--although I don't know if you are talking about pot or just a cig. I think getting high and listening to that would be pretty intense.

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Originally posted by sljiva

That was pretty damn sick. Loved that little melody and the nice beats thrown around it.
Thanks for sharin!

My Favourite Autechre tune. But its played at a slower tempo in this video.

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Originally posted by sljiva Little something to break retardness that invaded this thread: Amon Tobin - At The End Of The Day Completely different style, and little more pleasant to the ear. Amon made even more complex tunes, but this one has really occupied me lately and I just have to share it with people who haven't heard it yet. One more proof that he's one of the most technically skilled producers out there. Video was made by some fan, but it's also very cool.

Liked it a lot. Nice track.

Amazing video, but listening to the "music" only. No fucking chance in hell

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Originally posted by sljiva Amon Tobin - At The End Of The Day Completely different style, and little more pleasant to the ear.

Yeah, you could say that. Amon Tobin is very organic. I liked all of "Foley Room" actually, it's a pretty nice album, but personally i prefer his older releases.

Holy shit i've just noticed this thread!The track you posted is interesting, but if i'am going to listen to something, it must have substance.I like Proem lately. But then again i'm bored to post the samey same glitchy IDM, lol. Another problem is that you canno't find experimental/abstract music in youtube easily...! Lately i'm excited about Kashiwa Daisuke though... you can check his myspace here



http://www.myspace.com/kashiwadaisuke


This is in no way ordinary boring abstract/IDM music. Kashiwa Daisuke blends Classical (with a capital C, he really knows how to do it...) with abstract electronica/IDM as his low-end. Listen to the music developing with layers of violins and wonderfull piano while digital glitches accompany the romance. Perfect!


Edit: Oh yeah this is more complex. "Complex" in a proper, directional way lol.

Yeah, I've seen that video quite some time ago, I believe it has been posted few times already.
Anyway, that type of music is very hard to get into, but the video kicks ass indeed.
I have Autechre's Tri Repetae++ album and I didn't like it all that much.
I prefer Aphex Twin's works, since him and Autechre make music that's along the same lines (IDM and stuff).
But Autechre is definitely far more experimental.

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Originally posted by Gauss Yeah, I've seen that video quite some time ago, I believe it has been posted few times already. Anyway, that type of music is very hard to get into, but the video kicks ass indeed. I have Autechre's Tri Repetae++ album and I didn't like it all that much. I prefer Aphex Twin's works, since him and Autechre make music that's along the same lines (IDM and stuff). But Autechre is definitely far more experimental.

If it is Autechre, its all about the first two albums mate, "Incanabula" and "Amber". Seriously they are both very emotional(!), very melodic and atmospheric, they have nothing to do with later works (whilst "Tri Repetae++" was also interesting, it doesn't match the brilliance of those two IMO) which are just interesting experimentally, but dull musically. The first one, "Incanabula" is very futuristic and atmospheric, i always get pictures of cities shocked in neon-lites and stuff and it is quite emotional as well. The second one-"Amber" is a persoanl favorite of mine. It has this ambient-childhood innocence to it and also radiates a kind of strange spiritualism as well. MUST listen!


As for Aphex Twin, i think that he is equally-or even more-experimental in comparison to Autechre. Remember, experimental does not equal noise and number of glitches per minute. Listen to "Richard D. James album" and to "I Care Because You Do". Both are very experimental and you'll see very forward-thinking stuff like glitch-core (?) mixed with classical-style violins (!). He was deffinitely one of the first (or even the first) to do such stuff.



Ok, i think that this "experimental/abstract" thread needs some "emotion" (lol) and hence, i think "Port-Royal" (a band that blends experimental/ electronical/IDM with post-rock) are very appropriate for the job. Their second album, "Afraid To Dance" (released last year) has allready worn-out from extensive playing!



Port-Royal - "Bahnhof Zoo" (one of their darker works. Sounds like a cross between Telefon Tel Aviv and Labradford)




Port-Royal - "Roliga Timmen (Longing Macines)" (nice and emotional. Almost a cross between Telefon Tel Aviv and M83)

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Originally posted by PETRAN Ok, i think that this "experimental/abstract" thread needs some "emotion" (lol) and hence, i think "Port-Royal" (a band that blends experimental/ electronical/IDM with post-rock) are very appropriate for the job. Their second album, "Afraid To Dance" (released last year) has allready worn-out from extensive playing! Port-Royal - "Bahnhof Zoo" (one of their darker works. Sounds like a cross between Telefon Tel Aviv and Labradford) Port-Royal - "Roliga Timmen (Longing Macines)" (nice and emotional. Almost a cross between Telefon Tel Aviv and M83)

I love that album. It has a nice balance and an intresting mixture of elements, it doesn't scream "idm" to your face and tbh i don't think it's very idm or abstract at all. But i love those crunchy beats in tracks like Putin vs Valery, great stuff.

The timing is impeccable, and the tracks edits are very impressive. Notably the retrigger effect which then pitch shifts down into a star wars like explosion.

Bloody clever.

But listenable by 99.99% of the population? Negative.

It even gives me a headache after a while.

It's not complex, it's complicated.

That said, I don't find it the track very clever, as pointed above, Amon Tobin actually makes better and smarter track. Autechre has

It's not complex, it's complicated.

That said, I don't find it the track very clever, as pointed above, Amon Tobin actually makes better and smarter tracks. Autechre has all the qualities applying for snobbery.

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Originally posted by PETRAN If it is Autechre, its all about the first two albums mate, "Incanabula" and "Amber". Seriously they are both very emotional(!), very melodic and atmospheric, they have nothing to do with later works (whilst "Tri Repetae++" was also interesting, it doesn't match the brilliance of those two IMO) which are just interesting experimentally, but dull musically. The first one, "Incanabula" is very futuristic and atmospheric, i always get pictures of cities shocked in neon-lites and stuff and it is quite emotional as well. The second one-"Amber" is a persoanl favorite of mine. It has this ambient-childhood innocence to it and also radiates a kind of strange spiritualism as well. MUST listen!

That's nice to hear, I might check 'em out when I catch some more free time.

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Originally posted by PETRAN As for Aphex Twin, i think that he is equally-or even more-experimental in comparison to Autechre. Remember, experimental does not equal noise and number of glitches per minute. Listen to "Richard D. James album" and to "I Care Because You Do". Both are very experimental and you'll see very forward-thinking stuff like glitch-core (?) mixed with classical-style violins (!). He was deffinitely one of the first (or even the first) to do such stuff.

Well, this is how I see things... It's very hard to define boundaries of IDM and such music, but I always considered Aphex Twin to be pure and definitive IDM (or braindance, as he likes to classify his music), and Autechre to be on the far experimental side of things. I've got all of Aphex Twins albums and now that I think of it, it's funny to say "this is more experimental and this is less experimental". Actually, both artists are equally experimental because IDM itself is experimental, it's just that Autechre (from what I've heard) has more glitchy works (such as Gantz Graf) than Aphex Twin and Aphex Twin has more works such as 4 and Milkman that sound more musical than Autechre... If you get my drift. But then again, Aphex Twin has works like Ventolin and Complex Mathematical Equation which further proves my point, it's all experimental.

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Originally posted by SMC I love that album. It has a nice balance and an intresting mixture of elements, it doesn't scream "idm" to your face and tbh i don't think it's very idm or abstract at all. But i love those crunchy beats in tracks like Putin vs Valery, great stuff.

Yes, its probably not IDM, more to the ambient/post-rock/shoegazey type of stuff. It just uses IDM-type beats for the rhythmical component which makes a very interesting result together with the reverbarated quitars, the ethereal synths and stuff. Its not that abstract yes, but then again ,i never got what we mean by "abstract"? Because i've seen it used for all (kinda leftfield/alternative) downtempo/electronica releases, not for some "abstract" (in the literal sense) non-linear noisy and obscure sound (as is the case here). If its only the second then i don't thing there is much to find in Youtube.

awesome. truly the video makes it worth watching.

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Originally posted by PETRAN If it is Autechre, its all about the first two albums mate, "Incanabula" and "Amber". Seriously they are both very emotional(!), very melodic and atmospheric, they have nothing to do with later works (whilst "Tri Repetae++" was also interesting, it doesn't match the brilliance of those two IMO) which are just interesting experimentally, but dull musically. The first one, "Incanabula" is very futuristic and atmospheric, i always get pictures of cities shocked in neon-lites and stuff and it is quite emotional as well. The second one-"Amber" is a persoanl favorite of mine. It has this ambient-childhood innocence to it and also radiates a kind of strange spiritualism as well. MUST listen!

I think that departure from melodic sound of Incunabula and especially Amber to highly experimental sound of, for example, LP5, Confield and Untilted is the greatest move Ae could make. With these early albums they proved that they can make beautiful and musically very interesting music, but they would became pretty dull if they continued with this sound. So they moved towards music that can truly reveal how technically skilled they really are. Without that transition, they would never become what they are today. I mean, I absolutely love Incunabula and Amber, but that two albums are very easy to get into, they are not detailed as their later works and if I want to hear some real experimentation I won't listen to them. And let's not forget the fact that there are plenty of IDM albums out there similar to them, while there's significantly lower number of albums similar to LP5 for example. So maybe for you it's all about their first two albums, but the great(er) part of Ae fanbase (me included) loves their later phase more than their first phase.

You gotta listen to the later stuff loud!!!!!

But on the new Ae album they have some more accessible tracks on there too.

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Originally posted by JakeC You gotta listen to the later stuff loud!!!!!

Agreed. And it's all about the details, so repeat listens are a must.


BTW, I saw Luke Vibert for the first time last night and he played some fucked up stuff. Unfortunately I couldn't find anything like that on YT, so here's Natural Suction (very cool transition to jungle in the middle) also known as Snapping Fuss from Avantgardism EP:

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Originally posted by sljiva I think that departure from melodic sound of Incunabula and especially Amber to highly experimental sound of, for example, LP5, Confield and Untilted is the greatest move Ae could make. With these early albums they proved that they can make beautiful and musically very interesting music, but they would became pretty dull if they continued with this sound. So they moved towards music that can truly reveal how technically skilled they really are. Without that transition, they would never become what they are today. I mean, I absolutely love Incunabula and Amber, but that two albums are very easy to get into, they are not detailed as their later works and if I want to hear some real experimentation I won't listen to them. And let's not forget the fact that there are plenty of IDM albums out there similar to them, while there's significantly lower number of albums similar to LP5 for example. So maybe for you it's all about their first two albums, but the great(er) part of Ae fanbase (me included) loves their later phase more than their first phase.

I don't think that many people think of Autechre today as something great. I mean i have the impression that Autechre are all about the classic Warp records. I think that everyone things that the first three albums are the absolute Autechre masterpieces, in the same way that the first albym by Bola "Soup" is the masterpiece and so on. Also you are wrong in saying that these albums are "easy" and "similar" to other ones. When these albums were released, they were a few of a kind and not that "easy"! I personally find albums like "Amber" magical because they are in balance between the cold and the warm, the machine and the soul, the artificial and the natural. Listen to the harsh-at-times exploding beats accompanying the enigmatic ambient melodies, it is really a second-to-none musical experience that arises from such contrasts. I can understand that later albums are interesting and complex experiments, but IMO there is nothing musical about them.


I also thing that you over-stretch the word "technical" as well. Autechre are no Jazz musicians building their so-complex tunes on live improvisation. They are standard electronic musicians and being standard electronic musicians, they build their tunes on sequencers. And when you put a sequence of drum-beats on a sequencer, selecting the speed and the automated filtration, then, the so-called complexity some-how decreases to only some-really good- studio-trickery. Yes, Autechre are "technical", but not "technical musicians", just very good studio engineers. I mean i could be impressed if i saw the first track you posted played by someone live in a synth(!!!), but this is definitelly not the case. More like programmed excellently in Cu-Base. being such, i could see that later Autechre works are interesting, but to me they are just that, interesting auditory experiments, rather then interesting pieces of music. One can really don't have a clue about the basic notes and still create this stuff. Is it experimental? Yes it is. Is it glorious music? Hell no! Just my opinion

Thank you so much for posting that.
Shoot it was probably six years ago I first saw that. I love how it goes into time stretch madness at 1:00 but it still manages to keep finding the beat. Love the shockwaves that shoot out when the bass hits it. I don't even want to know what the guy who made the video went through to make that. The song is one thing, but the video with the song is what it's all about.

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Originally posted by PETRAN I don't think that many people think of Autechre today as something great. I mean i have the impression that Autechre are all about the classic Warp records. I think that everyone things that the first three albums are the absolute Autechre masterpieces, in the same way that the first albym by Bola "Soup" is the masterpiece and so on. Also you are wrong in saying that these albums are "easy" and "similar" to other ones. When these albums were released, they were a few of a kind and not that "easy"! I personally find albums like "Amber" magical because they are in balance between the cold and the warm, the machine and the soul, the artificial and the natural. Listen to the harsh-at-times exploding beats accompanying the enigmatic ambient melodies, it is really a second-to-none musical experience that arises from such contrasts. I can understand that later albums are interesting and complex experiments, but IMO there is nothing musical about them.

Ok, here's the fact: neither you or I know exactly what phase Ae fans like more. They have a huge fanbase, and like with any huge fanbase, there'll be a lot of different opinions and attitudes towards their favourite work. Having that in mind, I used much handier term "great(er) part" while you used the term "everyone". It's a common mistake people make in discussions, thinking their opinion reflects opinions of the whole fanbase. But you're just a few mouse clicks away from the truth, and the truth is that people like their earlier and their later phase equally. Check out idmforums, WATMM, discogs or any other serious forum out there that's been discussing Ae and you'll what I'm talking about. I'd even say there's more people who like their later stuff, but you decide. Also, I get an impression that there are two kinds of Ae fans:
1. People who listen to standard 4/4 EDM and use Ae as a gateway to a "cool" world of more abstract (well, more abstract then their trance, house or techno) music, or people who listen to Ae when they are tired of their 4/4 EDM - these people usually like their earlier stuff more.
2. People who listen to serious electronic music, who want to find in music something other than cheap thrills trance and house offer, or people who rarely listen to EM but like everything that's experimental or just weird - these people usually like their later stuff more.
Ok, that's enough about their fans...

About Amber being easy: Well, it is. Pretty much everyone can appreciate it after just a couple of listens. It's beautiful, melodic, catchy, fluid, atmospheric, warm bla bla... Nothing against that, but it soon looses its magic. That's not the case with Chiastic Slide or LP5, because with every new listen you discover new details and tiny sounds that you haven't heard before. And programming is on a completely different level. BTW, here are some albums from that era that can offer you everything you described there (of course not in the same way as Incunabula and Amber, but the difference is inconsiderable compared to difference between their later works and anything competition had to offer): �-Ziq - Tango N' Vectif, �-Ziq - Bluff Limbo, BoC - Twoism, Beaumont Hannant - Texturology and Basic Data Manipulation. Plus many other albums released later.

And I won't even comment that comparison with jazz musicians. That's the typical writing when you want to devalue electronic music, and it's used so frequently that it makes me puke.

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