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Allllllright since Google is being put in front of people and they can't figure out how to use it:

http://www11.earthhourus.org/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Hour

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Originally posted by Ek0nomik Allllllright since Google is being put in front of people and they can't figure out how to use it: http://www11.earthhourus.org/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Hour

Oh, I've known about Earth Hour for quite some time. But, your original link [still] doesn't work.

Off topic: Do you have a passport?

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel no its not. if thats the case then your saying corn ethanol is too. your taking one thing and replacing it with something just as bad if not worse. no matter how you put it, you can find a few cars of the same class that have less waste, similar carbon footprint when considering all things, and yet has similar mpg as that same pos. dont kid yourself. the prius is COOL to have. go ahead and buy one to look cool, but dont tell me that its better than nothing. cafe standards and having the EPA change its regs to allow things like the catalytic converter to be replaced by better alternatives is smarter.

Idiot, what could you possibly turn on to entertain yourself in the dark that you didnt have on with the lights running?

one of the biggest fallacies of the whole 'green' movement is the fact that a lot of green materials, products, buildings, procedures, etc actually waste more net energy in their creation and the creation of the production network that allows for their existence. sustainability is a concept which needs to be applied at every level, from the ground up.

The "green" thing to do is not to buy "green" products, but just to buy less stuff altogether.

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Originally posted by nefardec one of the biggest fallacies of the whole 'green' movement is the fact that a lot of green materials, products, buildings, procedures, etc actually waste more net energy in their creation and the creation of the production network that allows for their existence. sustainability is a concept which needs to be applied at every level, from the ground up.

Not if we change our energy source. Denmark, for example, can make anything they want... all their electricity comes from wind power.

reposted for more relevence in this thread vs th other one:

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so lame!. i woke up, go to google and its all dark and talking about earth hour, and i'm like, wtf it's 8am, i don't have any lights on right now anyway

whatever, they're going to make up some fake "statistic" about if you turn your lights off for just one hour a day you'll save like 20943587203948572039485720934857209348752 billions of energy or whatever.

its like they're acting as if we have our power running 24/7 . i mean, seriously, i don't even turn my lights on until the sun has completely set, otherwise shades and blinds are open and natural light/heat is coming in.

i just thought google got hacked.

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Originally posted by Sushipunk Oh, I've known about Earth Hour for quite some time. But, your original link [still] doesn't work. Off topic: Do you have a passport?

Yes, yes it does. Maybe not in the country you live, but it works here. Try using a U.S. proxy and getting to it.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles The "green" thing to do is not to buy "green" products, but just to buy less stuff altogether.

Half true. Buying green products is good, but buying less is also good.

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Originally posted by nefardec one of the biggest fallacies of the whole 'green' movement is the fact that a lot of green materials, products, buildings, procedures, etc actually waste more net energy in their creation and the creation of the production network that allows for their existence. sustainability is a concept which needs to be applied at every level, from the ground up.

What is your definition of a lot? Also, where are you getting this from? Another one of the easy things to say without backing up.

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Originally posted by tubularbills its like they're acting as if we have our power running 24/7 . i mean, seriously, i don't even turn my lights on until the sun has completely set, otherwise shades and blinds are open and natural light/heat is coming in.

That's because you're an EDM junkie... like the rest of us.

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Originally posted by Ek0nomik That's because you're an EDM junkie... like the rest of us.

music preference really has (or at least, shouldn't have) no impact on how my electricity flows.

i'd say my blacklights use less light than incandescent bulbs, but i don't even have any incandescent bulbs in my house cause they're all that compact flourescent swirly bulb thingy. that, and i really don't know if the blacklights are like normal flourescent bulbs, cause they do put off a fair amount of heat.

my electric bill was $25.85 last month. for a 1200 sq ft house.

EAT THAT AL GORE

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Originally posted by Ek0nomik If cafe is meant to be car, then I completely agree. The government needs to raise the MPG standard on cars, regardless of whether or not the American car companies like it or not.

I don't think it's the car companies that are the problem...

I like it better.

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Originally posted by Ek0nomik What is your definition of a lot? Also, where are you getting this from? Another one of the easy things to say without backing up.

my definition of 'a lot' is 'more than necessary'. i'm getting this from life experience

like was posted, the most 'green' thing one can do is to consume less


COR VERSION: fuck it, if it interests you, then you'll read it, if not, then fuck off and enjoy talking about gonorrhea or something


the terrible, gargantuan machine that is contemporary consumerist culture and 'integrated world capitalism' as Felix Guattari puts it (read 'the three ecologies') is the core problem here. We buy things, including green products, that we don't even need in the first place.

Why buy a prius when you can car-pool or use public transportation (for instance).




I get most of my ideas about sustainability as an architect, and my philosophy on that is that the most sustainable society concentrates in urban centers and reuses old construction rather than to create new construction. I extend this basic philosophy to products as well. The 'throw away society' that Alvin Toffler writes about in his book "Future Shock" is a major part of the problem here. When you are planning a building and determining its ecological footprint, it's not even about how much power it is going to use, or how much waste it creates (although it is to a degree of coruse) - you have to consider the ecological impact in construction of the building, for instance if you want to have an innovative curtainwall system that is only manufactured in seoul, and you are building in new york, then you're adding a ton of unnecessary energy cost to the project just for a superficial thing.

so basically, I think what is needed mostly is:
- a return of the 'local' society. local materials, local products etc. or else more virtual things.

- a new collective consciousness which stands in opposition to the integrated world capitalist craze which dominates the globe. the desire to consume, the institutionalized production of desire, soulless business practice, etc for more on what i am talking about, again read felix guattari's ' the three ecologies' and also herbert marcuse ' one dimensional man'.

- this one is more out there, but i think one thing that contemporary society really lacks is a deep spiritual connection to the earth. i'm not talking about macking with tree trunks in bolivia, but the story of human existence is an intimate relationship with the earth and its natural processes. indeed, nearly all world religions have their origins in simple observations of nature. basically, people are out of touch with the world around them and increasingly solipsist and self-important. read thomas merton - 'the seven storey mountain' and thomas berry - 'the dream of the earth'

- we use our increasing freedom due to automation not to gain time to do creative, artistic, philosophical, spiritual things, but instead to be even MORE productive and buy MORE things. there's never enough! with machines reducing the time it takes to do everything to achieve the same level of productivity, what do we do with our time? stalk on facebook? post youtube videos here on TA? watch porn? our new time and energy could be used in a way that benefits the world, not through making google adwords more profitable, but through helping us understand ourselves, one another, and our world. imagine that in the 2 hours or so people spend online in a day they instead took up something like painting, poetry, learning a foreign language, praying, hiking, etc...

i think certain 'green' products like hybrid cars are false idols. they don't fix the core societal problem, they only delude people into being satisfied with their supposed sustainable lifestyle. in fact what they are doing many times is making a fashion statement or jumping on a marketing bandwagon created by companies like toyota who are simply capitalizing on al gore's influence.

marcuse, in 'one dimensional man' talks about how modern companies manufacture desire and how this desire becomes the unilateral 'need' of everyone, regardless of class. he talks about how opposition and nonconformism is systematically undermined and turned into simply another facet of mainstream life by the machine of pop culture and consumerism. (eg people who 'do a little reading on buddhism' because it makes them feel more sophisticated and take yoga classes to meet people)

sorry for the mess

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Originally posted by Ang ' ela_ie Idiot, what could you possibly turn on to entertain yourself in the dark that you didnt have on with the lights running?

lol usually people go do something that uses more energy in some form or fashion. they leave their home to go shopping, they turn on a device such as the computer that was off, turn on video games, watch a dvd, should i continue to list the things that use MORE electricity in 10minutes than a light bulb in 6hrs?! geez ang! im not an idiot. there are things i dont know, but i can tell you a 60w bulb aint using shit. your computer uses upwards of 300w JUST TO TURN ON!!!!!!!!! thats not even doing anything! open a few programs and browse the net and your at about a 30% load! whose looking like the idiot now?

just please think about things before you CLAIM someones an idiot.

http://gizoogle.com/

www.blackle.com

Google is copying TA... those bastards.

turn the computer off for an hour...leave the lights on

shit if google turned its servers off for one hour that would likely be the same as everyone in the US turning a light off power consumption-wise|

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Originally posted by biznology turn the computer off for an hour...leave the lights on shit if google turned its servers off for one hour that would likely be the same as everyone in the US turning a light off power consumption-wise|

exactly. what people should be doing is changing putting all their electronics on power strips that are connected to light switches. why? because EVERYTHING uses a standby mode now. its not really off. this uses up a ton of electricity.

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Originally posted by Ted Promo www.blackle.com

oooOOOOOoo

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Originally posted by biznology turn the computer off for an hour...leave the lights on shit if google turned its servers off for one hour that would likely be the same as everyone in the US turning a light off power consumption-wise|

Duh... this has to be the most fucking useless way of saving power since an enviromental awareness rock concert (cough speakers use power).

Reminds me of the episode of south park "WOO we're showing the evil corperations we don't need them *smokes more*"
"So when are we actually going to take it to the corperations?"

See, this is how my boy and I are helpin' the environment and reducing polution. Werd!

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Originally posted by aNYthing See, this is how my boy and I are helpin' the environment and reducing polution. Werd!

Yo!

.....is that a hybrid?

read in the paper that downtown miami was volunteering to dim the lights for an hour for this. yet at the same time they have ultra going on

Thought this would be fitting: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23793222/page/2/

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