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Originally posted by julien2 We need to make the most of it, and give a motivation to promoters to give us more forward-thinking music. I'm not talking about the "conventional" club music scene (including tribe, which occasionnally brings a more "risqu�" artist), which is pretty healthy at the time. But the "real" underground music scene needs to be revigorated a little. First thing first, DJs and artists need to be able to make a living off it here, in order to stop the massive exodus to berlin.

The more time goes by it seems like Montreal is going in the opposite direction of the underground scene. I dont know what it is, either people are less open or the promoters and clubs just don't care. I always said Montreal needs some local heroes again to give life to this scene. Maybe something will happen but not anytime soon, just have to wait and see what happens.

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Originally posted by Dj Nacht The more time goes by it seems like Montreal is going in the opposite direction of the underground scene. I dont know what it is, either people are less open or the promoters and clubs just don't care. I always said Montreal needs some local heroes again to give life to this scene. Maybe something will happen but not anytime soon, just have to wait and see what happens.

lol we posted at the same time, check the post above yours. The local heroes are fleeing . There's a big problem right there !

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Originally posted by julien2 lol we posted at the same time, check the post above yours. The local heroes are fleeing . There's a big problem right there !

yea I read an article about Coutu Dumont leaving and ive read a few things that Pheek has written, Its pretty sad. I think when Montreal likes a DJ or style they tend to stick to just that and completely ignore everything else thats going on in the world.

Its part of the explanation

There's a big big BIG hype phenomenon in Montreal, and in Quebec in general.

From a sociological point of view, Quebecers tend to have a massive collective appreciation of something, until the get bored of it. It may be Celine Dion, Tout le Monde en Parle, or La Petite Vie

Only hockey wows them all the time, even if Canadiens suck, they still follow it (although it seems they are good this season). Thats good for the team's owner !

(and dont worry, I am a quebecer myself lol)

edit: although i dont like hockey. i still think its a wonderful sport though

re-edit: not only guillaume

you guys state quite the synchronized ideas in terms of time and tastes
anyways no i wasn't joking for rave.ca
you losers should definitely switch forums LOL
mr underground
well youll find yourself with 13 year old party shrimps but hey, theyre all about the underground too haha
the EDM scene here is blossoming on a superficial yet international point of view, if the city likes it, the tourists like it, you're pretty much a picky kid with favorite candy aspiring to run the show
so like i said... party with 13 year olds or go on a hippie trailer trash trip across the nations heading straight to the sunset and following your pseudo-underground impulses

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Originally posted by fullhouse you guys state quite the synchronized ideas in terms of time and tastes anyways no i wasn't joking for rave.ca you losers should definitely switch forums LOL mr underground well youll find yourself with 13 year old party shrimps but hey, theyre all about the underground too haha the EDM scene here is blossoming on a superficial yet international point of view, if the city likes it, the tourists like it, you're pretty much a picky kid with favorite candy aspiring to run the show so like i said... party with 13 year olds or go on a hippie trailer trash trip across the nations heading straight to the sunset and following your pseudo-underground impulses

You obviously haven't been to the eclipse festival. Cause you would see that you don't just need Candy ravers to have an amazing scene with good music.

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Originally posted by fullhouse you guys state quite the synchronized ideas in terms of time and tastes anyways no i wasn't joking for rave.ca you losers should definitely switch forums LOL mr underground well youll find yourself with 13 year old party shrimps but hey, theyre all about the underground too haha the EDM scene here is blossoming on a superficial yet international point of view, if the city likes it, the tourists like it, you're pretty much a picky kid with favorite candy aspiring to run the show so like i said... party with 13 year olds or go on a hippie trailer trash trip across the nations heading straight to the sunset and following your pseudo-underground impulses

1- Rave.ca is a joke to ravers and clubbers of all kind. Candy kids are creepy . Fortunately, from what I have read, the people who post there are generally not that kind of people, only the people actually attending the events. But anyways, all communities are laughable. Some people would argue that TA is a hell hole full of trancecrackers, even on MTLTA.

2- There is always room for improvement. And you don't seem to understand the notion of underground music. Undergound does not mean 3 kids in a dark room making unmarketable creepy self absorbed music.

As I stated earlier, the conventional music scene is healthy in Montreal. So we have the circuit of House/Opera/Tribe/dance-hip-hop clubs (like 32000 of them, way too much for such a small market)/festivals/occasionnal massives AND a healthy afterhour scene (now that one player - who, by the way, was a good player, but in a market too crowded - is out (Aria). But if you look at music from an objective perspective, historically, innovation and breakthrough have never come out of the mainstream, as healthy as it may be.

Whereas Montreal was once considered the world's techno capital (in terms of innovation, obviously, not in terms of mass appeal; which is quite interesting if you consider our city is a small market), it is now considered a no man's land of innovation, and producers are actually leaving the town.

What is the solution ?

Obviously it's not easy to pin-point. There is a cultural lack in terms of the population's interested towards.

But the solution is not stating that everything is perfect the way it is. And giving up because of despair is not a solution either.

So, people, go out and support your locals, discover, explore, demand more from the experiences you're proposed, and please don't stop rocking this wonderful and unique city.

perfectly said Julien

Fullhouse I dont know why you decided to come on this forum to act this way. Stay out of posts like this if you have nothing intelligent or interesting to say. Ive probably forgotten more than you will ever know about this stuff so just stick to talking about things you understand.

hi tag

hahaha lol if thats true

TAG, welcome back !

if not

TAG, please come back !

you guys don't seem to understand the backbone of a joke...
its easy to say what underground isn't, in which case you are actually pretty wrong,

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Undergound does not mean 3 kids in a dark room making unmarketable creepy self absorbed music.

underground music is defined by its distance from mainstream music, its originality, and is thus made with specific tastes
so 3 kids in a dark room making unmarketable creepy self absorbed music
is actually the essence of the underground

this exodus of producers you're describing is very likely, and it's too
bad... but if there was a crowd big enough to make a living off, they
wouldn't be leaving right? so we got a big group of people that enjoys
the same music... where's the problem ? together as one
there's ALWAYS room for improvement and innovation is invited.
whether rave.ca is a joke for me and for you it doesn't change the fact
some of these kids listen to music you definitely won't hear anywhere
else.
UNDERGROUND.

one point on which i 100% agree though is that ARIA was one of a kind.
there is nothing comparable today in the city, at all.

Everyone has different opinions on what underground music is. For me it doesnt have to be strange. There are so many amazing songs being produced out there that probably wont ever be played on a club speaker here in Canada. These artists don't get any recognition over here, everyone is to busy waiting for deadmaus and eric Prydz to release a new song.

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Nothing to do on a saturday night except beat hunting and reading a guy posting Rick Astley lyrics. Hehehehe good one chief

its sunday afternoon for me

Wrong.. Everyone has different opinions on what good music is. Underground music is a word with a definition. You happen to like certain types of underground music that most people don't, and that's why the artists of the sub-genre don't get as much recognition as Deadmau5 and Eric Prydz (whose productions from the old school were underground). Because Pjanoo by Eric Prydz is number one on Beatport.

lol prydz old school?

jesus christ man....derrick may is old school, prydz is a fucking baby...come on n00b.

ps his breakout hit was call on me....fucking so underground man.

just stop it.

good job with contradictions man
breakout was call on me
remind me what the fuck a breakout is ?

when you don't know what you're saying
spare others the nuisance
im an eric prydz afficionado...more specifically a pryda afficionado
and empirical evidence says he was producing waaay before call on me
n00b

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Originally posted by fullhouse you guys don't seem to understand the backbone of a joke... its easy to say what underground isn't, in which case you are actually pretty wrong, underground music is defined by its distance from mainstream music, its originality, and is thus made with specific tastes so 3 kids in a dark room making unmarketable creepy self absorbed music is actually the essence of the underground this exodus of producers you're describing is very likely, and it's too bad... but if there was a crowd big enough to make a living off, they wouldn't be leaving right? so we got a big group of people that enjoys the same music... where's the problem ? together as one there's ALWAYS room for improvement and innovation is invited. whether rave.ca is a joke for me and for you it doesn't change the fact some of these kids listen to music you definitely won't hear anywhere else. UNDERGROUND. one point on which i 100% agree though is that ARIA was one of a kind. there is nothing comparable today in the city, at all.

ok, i understand why you didnt get the comment. I meant to say: Undergound doesnt NECESSARILY MEAN 3 kids in the dark room.... I meant it can be bigger than that and still be "underground".

As I stated earlier, you are right about the market issue. If there is a market, there is a way. But in the Montreal case, the market has shifted from the underground to the mainstream very quickly, resulting in the massive exodus of many producers. Why ? Crowd got older, resulting in lesser revenues. The young (poor) crowd would not support the same music as the crowd that preceded.

Rave.ca does throw "underground" events, but they tend to be full of HHC kids who sing the same HHC and trance anthems that were sung in the beginning 2000s. I dont necessarily believe that innovation is the motto of that community. Although the community has a strong fan base and parties are attended by many.

Aria was an era. Now its over. I dont think nostalgia is a solution either. But there is a lot to learn of the global EDM market when you see a club like Aria (which had its qualities but made mistakes) shift to a commercial music oriented club, even if the town is already saturated with them.

Now, Together as one listening to Britney Spears is getting kind of a problem. Spears is fine. Her fans are fine. Commercial music is fine. They all have their purpose in the big musical food chain.

But I believe we must ask more from our promoters

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Originally posted by fullhouse Wrong.. Everyone has different opinions on what good music is. Underground music is a word with a definition. You happen to like certain types of underground music that most people don't, and that's why the artists of the sub-genre don't get as much recognition as Deadmau5 and Eric Prydz (whose productions from the old school were underground). Because Pjanoo by Eric Prydz is number one on Beatport.

I dont believe I was making a general comment on what good music is. But my comment was a general remark on the music market in Montreal. And speaking from that perspective, Pryda, Deadmau5 are underground too.

You know what guys???

The same arguments are being had here in Toronto as well...

To me, minimal techno is a contradicion in terms....

I'm into the hard bangin stuff as well...

Techno is supposed to drive you into a frenzy not put you to sleep..

Now that being said, there are a coupla tracks i can listen to and enjoy...

Now we have Addy here whos bridged the gap by playing minimal at 130 and up...

The speed makes it pound and therefor he's the only DJ I can listen to minimal with...

This 126 bullshit is like elevator music...or good to drive to...keeps me from speeding...


God remember Carl Cox up till last year...man he would kill me...

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Originally posted by Techo Head I have heard from many many people that this DJ is not really uplifting it's kinda boring.

I would say the same... if I was 6 and still listening to the Mortal Kombat soundtrack

This calls for a Venn diagram:

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Originally posted by fullhouse Wrong.. Everyone has different opinions on what good music is. Underground music is a word with a definition. You happen to like certain types of underground music that most people don't, and that's why the artists of the sub-genre don't get as much recognition as Deadmau5 and Eric Prydz (whose productions from the old school were underground). Because Pjanoo by Eric Prydz is number one on Beatport.

Wrong dude, most people love the stuff I listen too. The problem is that its not easy to get. Most of it comes out on wax which is only available in european shops. Shipping to Canada is a pain in the ass and unfortunately most people dont even use vinyl anymore here. If the song does eventually get released digitally it probably will not be on Beatport which means no fukin chance of ever being played in Montreal. Over here most of our Djs are playing the top 100 list on beatport in different orders. No wonder all the good guys from Montreal are leaving! They put so much effort into there music but the guys who play the top 100 list on beatport get more recognition.

By the way I like Eric Prydz, he used to be my favorite producer a few years back. He created a new sound that was amazing but he is just abusing it now. It probably takes him less than a day to make his songs now. They are still good because he has mastered his own sound which is fine with me. I just don't understand why people have to always focus on one guy so much. Also I noticed you insult techno but did you know that the song good life that eric prydz remixed was produced by one of the biggest techno pioneers in the world.

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Originally posted by VDub You know what guys??? The same arguments are being had here in Toronto as well... To me, minimal techno is a contradicion in terms.... I'm into the hard bangin stuff as well... Techno is supposed to drive you into a frenzy not put you to sleep.. Now that being said, there are a coupla tracks i can listen to and enjoy... Now we have Addy here whos bridged the gap by playing minimal at 130 and up... The speed makes it pound and therefor he's the only DJ I can listen to minimal with... This 126 bullshit is like elevator music...or good to drive to...keeps me from speeding... God remember Carl Cox up till last year...man he would kill me...

You obviously lack musical knowledge.

1- Minimal techno is not at all a contradiction in terms. Minimalism is a concept in art which can be applied to anything. There is minimal architecture, minimal conceptual art, minimal visual art, minimal writing, minimalistic furniture, minimalistic way of life.

So minimalism can also be applied to techno. The stripped-down, rythm-oriented, drums used as melodies parts of techno. MINIMALISM HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TEMPO. Minimal techno can be 50 BPM or 1000 BPM. Although in the recent years, there has been a shift, and many techno DJs have slowed down their tempos (that is called a trend)

2- Music is not "supposed to drive you into a frenzy", it is "supposed" to do anything. You do with music what you want to do with it.

3- It is very difficult to discuss tastes. You have your own, stating you are "into banging techno". Fine. However, what is discussable is the music itself, and please educate yourself before posting

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