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| Originally posted by ohbeone Oh okay...you're right pardon me.  every music scholar Yes I'm sure every single music scholar thinks that. Then the ones that don't think that don't count. I'm sure some would say Elvis was more important than the beatles. Without Elvis...you wouldn't even have the Beatles. Most influential? That's disputable. While vastly popular and successful this does not prove biggest influence or impact no music in general. |
Plenty of musical scholars couldn't give a crap what goes on in pop.
1. Go to google.
2. Type in "Most influential band in history".
3. Notice there is not one result that pops up for the beatles.
There are only top lists of most influential Bands. And any of that can be disputed. There is no way to measure it.
Not to mention...you have to listen to the beatles to be influenced. What about Led Zeppelin? They have the most played song of all time even though they weren't as vastly popular as the beatles. Of course that gets more into popularity than influence. Anyway, no real point in arguing this, no matter where you go, not everyone will agree that the beatles are most influential. This has nothing to do with self-respecting scholars or people who are informed. It's simply not a fact. A plausible argument? Yes.
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| Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Plenty of musical scholars couldn't give a crap what goes on in pop. |
i was just wondering where trance would be if not for 'i want to hold your hand'
Surely mozart would be the most influential? Even if we are talking popularity here... I mean his stuff has probably been played on the radio more times than the beetles and its still being played (was played lots before radio too). The assumption that the beatles are the most influential (maybe of the 20th century) is purely idiotic.
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| Originally posted by sean5 i was just wondering where trance would be if not for 'i want to hold your hand' |
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| Originally posted by Darkarbiter Surely mozart would be the most influential? Even if we are talking popularity here... I mean his stuff has probably been played on the radio more times than the beetles and its still being played (was played lots before radio too). The assumption that the beatles are the most influential (maybe of the 20th century) is purely idiotic. |
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| Originally posted by sean5 i was just wondering where trance would be if not for 'i want to hold your hand' |
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| Originally posted by Darkarbiter Surely mozart would be the most influential? Even if we are talking popularity here... I mean his stuff has probably been played on the radio more times than the beetles and its still being played (was played lots before radio too). The assumption that the beatles are the most influential (maybe of the 20th century) is purely idiotic. |
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| Originally posted by zabrak I'm pretty sure The Beatles starting the looping thing in music. Listen to this drum beat - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVUz...feature=related that drum beat sounds like something you would hear in a Beck song or something. easily 30 years ahead of it's time. Don't fuck with the beatles |
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| Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Classical artists were experimenting with loops of all kinds long before the Beatles were even heard of. |
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| Originally posted by zabrak no no i'm talking about just BANDS here. |
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| Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Classical artists were experimenting with loops of all kinds long before the Beatles were even heard of. "Revolution 9" is just the Beatles assimilating the decades-old musique concrete techniques pioneered by classical artists like Varese and John Cage. Be very careful when talking about pop-rock outfits as "pioneers," because it's almost certain that they're just taking their cues from people who did the same stuff long before -- usually jazz or classical artists. That's where most of the real experimentation goes on. Sure, those things were new to pop music, but certainly not to music as a whole. |
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| Originally posted by nefardec seriously.. OP, ever heard the term "rondo"? |
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| Originally posted by zabrak Like I said I was not certain that the beatles started tape looping. I just remember The Beatles had something to do with tape looping...P:robably popularized it? |
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| Originally posted by zabrak Wrong. The Beatles did not just merely take what was already existing and popularize it. Here is a list, but not limited to of things that the beatles did - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Be...music_recording |
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| Originally posted by nefardec how is that related to what you quoted from me? |
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| Originally posted by hkaliher ...then try to force the square peg in the round hole for a while |
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| Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Probably. Steve Reich and Karlheinz Stockhausen had already done it. The impression that the Beatles were the first to do these things is understandable, though. The popular image of classical music is one of a hidebound musical tradition, resistant to innovation of any kind, when that's about as far from the truth as you can get. Many of the pioneers of synthesizers and electronic music were either classically trained or working closely with people who were. |
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| Originally posted by zabrak Nothing really. I wanted to attack you somehow |
Could this thread become even more entertaining than the one that spawned it? Let's stay tuned and find out...
I don't know about the beattles (i love the Doors though), but to tell you the truth, i have a big hate for Rolling Stones. Mick Jagger sucks!
Looks like someone just learned a whole bunch of new fancy words and wanted to use them somehow... because we all know big words make your ignorance go away.
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| Originally posted by PETRAN I don't know about the beattles (i love the Doors though), but to tell you the truth, i have a big hate for Rolling Stones. Mick Jagger sucks! |
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