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If leading my country into an unjustified war isn't reason enough to boo someone, I'm sure just being a plain old douchebag is.

Either way, my standards are met. I'd have joined right in, even if I granted a certain measure of assumed respect based on his position when initially elected, he's done a bang up job of losing it these past 8 years.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles What does it mean to "respect the office?" The idea of "respecting" an office regardless of the quality of the person who holds it is ridiculous. It's like saying a kid should "respect" his abusive, crackhead deadbeat dad. Fuck that. "Authority figures" get respect from me only if they deserve it.

Exactly.

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Originally posted by verndogs I've seen worse cases of booing/fan behavior, so I still give this a meh.

And exactly. The booing on the Youtube videos sounds really tame, almost as though only 40% of the audience is doing it. Hell, A-Rod coming back to Seattle for the first time after he sold-out got the entire crowd to boo and throw fake money out into the field. Even Ashlee Simpson got more boos at that football game. This was so tame compared to those.

Same thing happened to our president last year, and...

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov I was there. They booed, and it was loud. It was pretty embarrassing to be honest. You don't boo a President, no matter how unpopular he is in my opinion.

... I agree with Lebez.

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Originally posted by kamil trying to access CNN from canada is a fucking drag, it keeps redirecting me to some fucking story on the yankees and some idiot says baseball is a global sport.

Given the opportunity to have President Bush's ear for even a moment, I assure you that a lot more than just "Boo" would come out of my mouth.



This was just thousands of people using the opportunity efficiently.

I don't understand why people have such a romantic reverence for politics that leads to these silly ideas like "respecting an office."

Needs moar Bush chops:

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Originally posted by kamil A piece of shit like Bush, I'd do a lot more than just boo if i had the chance.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I don't understand why people have such a romantic reverence for politics that leads to these silly ideas like "respecting an office."

Indeed. I understand what kind of a "high, respectful" position he has. Sure, I think it's something that deserves a certain amount of respect. If a president was just average or made a some less significant mistakes, then I probably wouldn't boo him. However, when you lead us on a senseless "witch hunt" over some bullshit reason, consistently piss on our leg while telling us it's raining, and try to shit on the Constitution then I'm sorry, but you've earned your boos and whatever soda bottles someone may or may not try and throw at you.

It's always bothered me how so many americans give their president so much unquestioned loyalty and respect. The people are his boss, not the other way around. If he slouches on the job then he should get it. Respect has to be earned, and this president deserves none of it.

Even more disturbing is the idea that balant propaganda is easily shrugged off and taken for granted. But then again, this isn't surprising coming from the Christian News Network.

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Originally posted by idoru Indeed. I understand what kind of a "high, respectful" position he has. Sure, I think it's something that deserves a certain amount of respect.

Exactly. My default is to assume a president is a good guy and to respect him -- but that respect will continue only as long as he shows that he is worth it, that he is at least competent at the job people elected him to do.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles What does it mean to "respect the office?" The idea of "respecting" an office regardless of the quality of the person who holds it is ridiculous. It's like saying a kid should "respect" his abusive, crackhead deadbeat dad. Fuck that. "Authority figures" get respect from me only if they deserve it.

+Fucking1 on that.

Respect should not be automatic, it should be earned. Some parents deserve respect, most do not.

Same with politicians. In this case, bush deserves absolutely no respect at all. The way he's been driving USA and its image to the ground has been so bad, the entire world hates on americans because of this idiot. I feel *very* sorry for the americans who are better than the average bush loving morons.

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Originally posted by Project-K Even more disturbing is the idea that balant propaganda is easily shrugged off and taken for granted. But then again, this isn't surprising coming from the Christian News Network.

Heh, "CNN" actually stands for "Cable News Network," and it's one of the more liberal U.S.-based news outlets.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Heh, "CNN" actually stands for "Cable News Network," and it's one of the more liberal U.S.-based news outlets.

Yes and that it's considered liberal is a very, very sad thing.

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Originally posted by Project-K Yes and that it's considered liberal is a very, very sad thing.

It's also known as the Commie News Network

and Current Nationwide News

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I don't understand why people have such a romantic reverence for politics that leads to these silly ideas like "respecting an office."

I don't know if my reasons for respecting a president are the same as Lebez's but, these are my arguments:

1. The president was elected by the people. When he was elected, he presented his ideas, and the people decided he was the most suitable person for the job. If he turns out to be a failure, blaming him won't do any good. It's, most likely, the people's fault. Bush's incompetence (or, in Brazil, Lula's scandals) were well known in the first mandate. Yet, people decided to give them another chance.
   
   
2. You like it or not, he's the person Americans chose to represent their country. By the time you boo your representant, publicly, you're giving the impression that the person is office isn't important at all. If he's not important, who are other governments supposed to respect? How can Iranians, North Koreans and Venezuelans take your government seriously that way? Same here in Brazil, concerning Venezuelans.
   
   
3. When Bush was given his 2nd mandate, everyone knew he was going to be in office for yet another 4 years. Sure, it maybe 4 years too long for many of us but... will booing do any difference? Do you think this is going to make things easier for him in the White House? Given the problems related to disrespecting your representant publicly, was it really worth it? Once again, the same applies here in Brazil (where, luckily, Lula managed to bolster his popularity and work on most critical problems).
   
   When president Lula was booed, the opposition started to criticise him even more harshly. It was extremely difficult for him to get things done after that episode. He did, eventually, sort it out but it could've been easier.
   

I think you simply got it wrong, the crowd actually cheered "BOO-Hush, BOO-Hush!!"











/Smithers

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Originally posted by Lira [list=1] [*]The president was elected by the people. When he was elected, he presented his ideas, and the people decided he was the most suitable person for the job. If he turns out to be a failure, blaming him won't do any good.

How will it "not do any good?" If blame for bad outcomes can be placed on people who represent their constituency, that will lessen their chances of being re-elected (this is irrelevant in the specific case of Bush because of presidential term limits, but it is relevant when applied to the Republican party as a whole, which in many cases has stood by some of Bush's worst policy decisions).

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You like it or not, he's the person Americans chose to represent their country. By the time you boo your representant, publicly, you're giving the impression that the person is office isn't important at all.

How is that? I think that booing gives the impression that people disapprove of the way the representative is conducting himself; and that impression is a correct one. The booing is actually an acknowledgment that he is important in some way; they wouldn't boo some random unheard-of jerk.

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...who are other governments supposed to respect?

Any American leaders who do a better job.

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When Bush was given his 2nd mandate, everyone knew he was going to be in office for yet another 4 years. Sure, it maybe 4 years too long for many of us but... will booing do any difference?

Probably not, although if he cared more about whether people approved of the job he was doing, all the booing might cause him to doubt his course of action, which would be a good thing.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov I was there. They booed, and it was loud. It was pretty embarrassing to be honest. You don't boo a President, no matter how unpopular he is in my opinion.

Yes you do. Your country is supposed to be an f'ing democracy and if the people are not impressed with the Presidents job then they have every right to let him know. Too little too late though. Could've used that booing 7 years ago.

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Originally posted by Lira How can Iranians, North Koreans and Venezuelans take your government seriously that way?

If Bush can't earn the respect of his own people, much less the rest of the world, then perhaps he should end the fa�ade that can represent the people of the United States by tendering his resignation. The office he holds is poor justification for treating a vile traitor with stilted respect.

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CNN actually stands for

Corny

Naked

Nigers

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Originally posted by lim f(x) = f(a) I have no idea dude if its real or fake. Either way Bush is a idiot.

Doesn't that make you the same kind of person that you hate on, or is there some sort of exception to the rule that allows you to be suck a jackass ?

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Originally posted by Ian Doesn't that make you the same kind of person that you hate on, or is there some sort of exception to the rule that allows you to be suck a jackass ?

*such a jackass

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Originally posted by kamil *such a jackass

thank you I have a super shitty cheap keyboard at the moment whilst I save for the laser desktop kit I want

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