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Originally posted by Skipper So lemme get this straight, you're defending a corporation's RIGHT to advertise its unhealthy products to children of an age that can't make well considered decisions? Seriously? This isn't even a personal freedom we're talking about. It's ADVERTISING.

I kind of understand where you're comming from, but at the same time, it is a little questionable that the state has rights to regulate advertising, a fundamental part of a free-market society, to supposedly 'at risk groups'.

What exactly do you mean by "well considered decisions"? Should not a child be brought up with healthy eating habits in the home? IMO I think a child's decision making process should be based on values taught by the mother and father. Your post indirectly implies that parents should bend to the whims of their children.

Parenting should be left to parents, not to the state.

I swear I'm too tall for an asian beause of McDonald's - the stuff they pump their meat with. I wanna be a little shorter damnit.


Western parents need to learn how to beat their kids. I was beaten as a child and learnt respect for my parents, and we get along decent these days now that I'm older.

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Originally posted by Ryan1524 Western parents need to learn how to beat their kids. I was beaten as a child and learnt respect for my parents, and we get along decent these days now that I'm older.

+ fucking one


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I was beaten as a kid, and wouldn't want any of my kids ever to go through what I have been through. Nowadays my dad would have easily gone to jail for what he did. It took me years of martial arts training/therapy to learn how to repress any urges to do the same. When I see a parent slap their kids at a mall I'm the first one to say something about it. I've been there and when I see it happen, I can not help but put myself in the kid's shoes.

There's better ways to teach kids respect without violence, but unfortunately very little take the time to learn how to.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Based on this reasoning, then maybe they should go a step further and ban all children from viewing ALL media until 18? Whatever happened to the idea of "parenting"?

Parenting can only go so far. Children are exposed to far, far more media messages in a single day than they are to messages from their parents. Furthermore, they are infinitely more receptive to creative, cute and occasionally deceptive media messages than they are to mom and dad droning on about caloric intake.

I don't believe there should be a full out ban, but I do believe that advertising blatantly unhealthy products to children from a very young age is done excessively.

and furthermore, if parents are the gatekeepers, the ones with the wallet - why are the ads directed towards children? Because children who develop preferences and habits at a very young age stick with them for a long time and do not have the capacity to critically evaluate other sources of information and change their mind like an adult would. This results in a whole lot of children either spending their own money on shit food that mom and dad won't let them have, OR they bother mom and dad about it enough until they relent. No one wins but the advertiser.

I personally see this as more of a public health concern than a human rights concern.

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Originally posted by Skipper Parenting can only go so far.

No, a good parent has control of their child. When the parent makes a decision, it's final.

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Children are exposed to far, far more media messages in a single day than they are to messages from their parents.

Again, a problem with parenting. Not the media. Perhaps parents should take the time to educate their children about media?

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Furthermore, they are infinitely more receptive to creative, cute and occasionally deceptive media messages than they are to mom and dad droning on about caloric intake.

Again, it's an opportunity for parents to teach their children about being media savvy. Why should the state do the parent's job?

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I don't believe there should be a full out ban, but I do believe that advertising blatantly unhealthy products to children from a very young age is done excessively.

and thats your opinion but should your opinion become a law? If that is indeed your opinion, dont allow your kids to be exposed to it, or educate your kids on what they are watching.

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and furthermore, if parents are the gatekeepers, the ones with the wallet - why are the ads directed towards children? Because children who develop preferences and habits at a very young age stick with them for a long time and do not have the capacity to critically evaluate other sources of information and change their mind like an adult would.

And the advertisers are counting on weak parenting. So the answer is not to be a weak parent.

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This results in a whole lot of children either spending their own money on shit food that mom and dad won't let them have,

Last i checked, kids under 16 cant work so how is this their own money?

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OR they bother mom and dad about it enough until they relent. No one wins but the advertiser.

Again, weak parenting. So why should we make the government the parent instead?

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I personally see this as more of a public health concern than a human rights concern.

I see this as weak parents asking the government to step in so that they wont have to say no as often to their children. If kids have proper discipline, no amount of advertising in the world can have an effect on their consumption. Kids always want things they cant have. Other kid's toys, some junk food, candy at the store, etc. Its up to mom and dad to have the final say no matter what tantrums the kid pulls. Thats what being a parent is all about. If parents cant say NO to their children then they shouldnt be parents.

/overdue, Scott

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Originally posted by Jayx1 No, a good parent has control of their child.

lol. I stopped reading right there.
The reality is NO parent has 100% control of their child. If you think you do, keep kidding yourself.

Skipper how do always managed to get sucked in? You are smarter than that.

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Originally posted by 7-4-7 malleable

Great word selection i will be using and abusing it at the office allllll next week

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Originally posted by Orko Skipper how do always managed to get sucked in? You are smarter than that.

Sucked in to what? Jay's diatribes about the nanny state? I'm really not too sure to be honest

All of this is moot. So they ban McDonalds from advertising...
and kids are still fatasses because their activity/eating habits have not changed.

Then they go a step further and ban fastfood outright.
Again... kids are still fatasses since the parenting has not changed and the kids are no more active then they were.

So lets ban ALL unhealthy food... so the only choice the feeble-minded populace has is water, broccoli, and f*cking wheat bread.

Better yet... lets just let the government schedule our days! Tell us when to eat... how much... when to exercise... how long... when to sleep... That way we can all be identical, healthy, thin, perfectly programmed little governmental robots.

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Originally posted by Abercrombie /overdue, Scott

i'm sorry but that never gets old to me.

there shouldn't be an all-out ban...but there shouldn't be unfettered access to highly impressionably young children by unscrupulous corporations.

LoL, it's fun that I knew who made this thread as soon as I read the title, before I even had a chance to glance at the poster's name... Jayx1 your style is unmistakeable

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Originally posted by Skipper I personally see this as more of a public health concern than a human rights concern.

+ 1


I think what Jayx1 (and others) has forgot is that not all the children have parents who care for the best for them... what if the parents are ignorant and uncaring about their children's welfare? About their children's psychological and physical health? And they don't have to be outright abusive so no CAS will come knocking on their door... Just today, my mom suddenly told me a story about a little girl she knew, who was around eight - nine years old when I was still a small baby... she was a good child but her parents did not really care for her, they neglected her. She went to school and had all bad marks in math, she always got D's and D's. My mom told me that once, on an occasion, she was visiting that little girl's home and tutored her in math, and then, some time later, her friend who knew this girl's parents asked my mom "what have you done? Andrea got an A in her math test". This was after my mom tutored her that one time. When she was telling this story today, my mom said that this little girl was a good child, she did not need to be told things twice; when she was tutored that one time she was very receptive and understanding. And she just needed to be properly taken care of, but her parents did not really care. And they neglected her so much that she had one of her fingers cut off in some accident. Do you not think Jayx1 that there are other children who are being neglected likewise by their parents? Do you not think that these kids should have at least the protection of some government regulation, if their parents are oblivous to their well-being? Or are these kids just to suffer the unfortunate consequences of having parents that do not care???

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Originally posted by Gen3r4l1ty All of this is moot. So they ban McDonalds from advertising... and kids are still fatasses because their activity/eating habits have not changed. Then they go a step further and ban fastfood outright. Again... kids are still fatasses since the parenting has not changed and the kids are no more active then they were. So lets ban ALL unhealthy food... so the only choice the feeble-minded populace has is water, broccoli, and f*cking wheat bread. Better yet... lets just let the government schedule our days! Tell us when to eat... how much... when to exercise... how long... when to sleep... That way we can all be identical, healthy, thin, perfectly programmed little governmental robots.

That's slippery slope arguing...

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Originally posted by Kamka LoL, it's fun that I knew who made this thread as soon as I read the title, before I even had a chance to glance at the poster's name... Jayx1 your style is unmistakeable

the style is utterly obvious.

Honestly.. what's so bad about mcdonalds.

If you watch your calories and don't have like 2 double quarter pounders it shouldnt be that bad. Its pretty greasy thats true and can probably lead to some higher levels of ldl cholesterol but i think its mainly the pop thats the problem.. All that sugar in there.


Diet + excercise is the best thing for anyone. Don't be so quick to blame the fast food companies.

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Originally posted by Skipper lol. I stopped reading right there. The reality is NO parent has 100% control of their child. If you think you do, keep kidding yourself.

Really? So you are telling me that parents dont have 100% control over what their kids eat? Wow. You know what? When i was a kid i ate what my mother cooked and if i didnt like it i got NOTHING. No matter how much noise i made, the end result was the same. If we went to mcdonalds or somewhere it was a treat and 100% their decision. I used to try and get the sugary cereals too and my mom would always kibosh that idea. They had 100% control over my eating as good parents would. Now once i went to high school they didnt but by then if you dont know any better thats your own damned problem!

Where do i start with this one?

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Originally posted by Kamka + 1 I think what Jayx1 (and others) has forgot is that not all the children have parents who care for the best for them...

I agree and sadly that is life in a world of varying personalities. Humans by nature are victims of circumstance. But banning cartoon sponsorships isnt going to fix that and the government is not the fix all of everything that ales us.

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what if the parents are ignorant and uncaring about their children's welfare?

then they shouldnt be parents.

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About their children's psychological and physical health?

thats called neglect and is criminal.

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And they don't have to be outright abusive so no CAS will come knocking on their door...

Then what you are saying is that you dont agree with their style of parenting. So it should be the states way or the highway? I dont think so.

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Just today, my mom suddenly told me a story about a little girl she knew, who was around eight - nine years old when I was still a small baby... she was a good child but her parents did not really care for her, they neglected her. She went to school and had all bad marks in math, she always got D's and D's. My mom told me that once, on an occasion, she was visiting that little girl's home and tutored her in math, and then, some time later, her friend who knew this girl's parents asked my mom "what have you done? Andrea got an A in her math test". This was after my mom tutored her that one time. When she was telling this story today, my mom said that this little girl was a good child, she did not need to be told things twice; when she was tutored that one time she was very receptive and understanding. And she just needed to be properly taken care of, but her parents did not really care. And they neglected her so much that she had one of her fingers cut off in some accident.

so perhaps the government should ban knives in homes with children? That way there wont be any finger cutting. Dont worry though, the government has just banned homework for kids in school so this wont be a problem anymore anyways. The truth here is that this is why it's a lot better for communities to act like communities. The answer here isnt banning tv commercials. Its for society to start acting more like your mom did and to start taking care of each other. And by society i dont mean the government. I mean family, extended family, neighbours and friends. The governments jon is to pave roads, fund schools and ban the lords prayer (har har), not socially engineer according to some bureaucrat's version of what's right and wrong.

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Do you not think Jayx1 that there are other children who are being neglected likewise by their parents?

There sure are!

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Do you not think that these kids should have at least the protection of some government regulation, if their parents are oblivous to their well-being? Or are these kids just to suffer the unfortunate consequences of having parents that do not care???

They do. Its called CAS. What they need is protection from abuse. What this issue is about is style of parenting. Those are two very distinct concepts. By taking away a parent's right to be a parent and coddling society, all we are doing is making people even MORE dependent on the government to make decisions for them. So by "protecting" people from themselves we actually create more harm toward them.

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Originally posted by DigiNut [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=#99CCEE]Um, yes? If you don't mind, please explain to us again where it's specified that advertising is not subject to section 2, subsections (b), (c) and (d) of the CCRF? Or is it "corporations" that are excepted? Last time I checked, advertising is in fact a personal freedom, and corporations are entitled to the same freedoms as individuals.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I am pretty damn sure that corporations do not have a "right" to mass broadcast their shit to the public via television.

Now perhaps you could say that the broadcasting station itself should have a right to broadcast what it wants. That is a whole different story.

However, something needs to govern what is being publicly distributed... because asking the station to decide to take or not take the 4 million dollars in revenue from McDonalds, and making that decision based on morals or what is right/wrong or best for the people, is a laughable concept.

Not to mention, it would cause the corp. to go against its own duty to "benefit the shareholders" blah blah blah.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Really? So you are telling me that parents dont have 100% control over what their kids eat? Wow. You know what? When i was a kid i ate what my mother cooked and if i didnt like it i got NOTHING. No matter how much noise i made, the end result was the same. If we went to mcdonalds or somewhere it was a treat and 100% their decision. I used to try and get the sugary cereals too and my mom would always kibosh that idea. They had 100% control over my eating as good parents would. Now once i went to high school they didnt but by then if you dont know any better thats your own damned problem!

And then at age 5, your kid goes off to school and can eat whatever the hell they get their hands on.
The reality is that if your child is out of sight, your control is limited. Kids will find a way to get what they want, particularly when it's something as accessible as junk food.

I have a 14 year old brother and have watched my parents do their absolute best, but he's a kid and he wants stuff and will get it when they're not around. Are you saying my parents are poor parents because they can't control his every decision?

Jay, you live in an alternate reality. The reality of society is that not everyone is perfect parents - and you can't govern parenting. (and if you could, somehow you'd manage to object to that as well) The argument, "they shouldn't be parents" is not something that has any applicability whatsoever. Great. They shouldn't be parents. But they're going to be, because that's how it goes and there's nothing anyone can do about it. So the government must step in and do some "nannying" as you call it.

If you want money pumped into phys ed programs - why? Can't parents be trusted to get their kids enough exercise? Why should the government pay for it?

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