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[QUOTE]Originally posted by RJT
Basically you guys are both just saying that you prefer him to Deadmau5, not that he's doing anything all that differently.
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LOL
That's like saying band x and rock band y use the same instruments and structure their songs with their own formulas. You like band x, why don't you like band y?

Like you said, it's a matter of taste.

Empirical proof all deadmau5 tracks are the same

that's deadmau5 for you. now RS knows how to make repetition unique to each track. It's hypnotizing. It's groovy..

Try Omar S - Psychotic Photosynthesis, its the same concept

yea whats with the whining? what are we going to establish from this discussion? tech/minimal scene is ruined since its boom in popularity a couple years ago, the hipsters moved in and now it suffers a disease known as vanity. people's judgement on music is influenced greatly by knowing the artist name and the artist's rep'. minimal used to be an escape from conformity, now it suffers from conformity. the worst attributes of electronic dance culture are in this scene, like "knowing the right people". anyway im sure radio slave sucked a lot of showbiz cock to get where he is. what a stupid uncreative artist name too.

Re: Radio Slave is as formulaic a producer as Deadmau5

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Originally posted by RJT Yet he seems to get far less flack for it. Why? I should say that I play tracks by both on a regular basis, but also think that 90% of what each of them has made is so steeped in routine that it's as boring as music can get. Deadmau5 gets shit on pretty regularly for making a bunch of tunes that sound the same, but in the end almost all of them have more going on in them than any Radio Slave tune. The classic argument in favor of RS is "Oh, they're just beat/dj tools" - well that's great and all, but apparently the bulk of DJ's the world over didn't get the memo, and we've all thus been subjected (at one point or another) to hearing way, way more of a Radio Slave tune played in a set than we ever should have. So why is it, then, that some of you think Radio Slave has escaped the "I only make this kind of tune" stigma? Is it because of the audience he plays and makes music for? Does someone want to try and tell me that the quality of RS tunes is somehow objectively better? I just don't understand how a producer who is quite literally only capable of making 10+ minute loops of the same samples garners as much respect as RS has, especially considering the amount of criticism other artists get for doing the exact same thing. I have never once heard Radio Slave try anything that I would consider remotely different from his usual routine.

I dont think deadmause makes simple music, i just think he makes shit music. In the other hand i think Radio Slave makes good music. How simple it is to make i could care less because it is always something better than what i could make.



oh and F- for another deadmause thread, did you do this just to take a piss?

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Originally posted by Beat Blog Non ninja edits for you, Mr. "Genious".

Hello Mr. "Non".

Imo radio slave's tunes have a unique quality that I can't find in almost anything Deadmau5 has ever made. He strips down tracks to their most basic elements but I find those elements pleasing and well put together. It is rather formulaic, and it is extremely drawn out and simplified, but for a reason, because his whole style is based around making you concentrate and get drawn into very simple elements. I happen to like a lot, sometimes it doesn't work (I dunno what the fuss over Grindhouse Tool is), other times its absolutely amazing (Dead Souls remix, K-Maze)

To me, its less about him having a lack of ideas and taking the easy way out, than it is exploring this method of making tunes. He's pretty much the only one making tracks in such a manner, imo it's a pretty distinct style.

My opinion of him and his tunes is also swayed by the fact that I have hung out with him several times and gotten to know a little bit more about how he thinks musically. I may not always agree with his music, but I do respect him and his approach.


Dead Souls remix is probably going to remain my favorite track of this time period (07/08), and become a classic in my eyes.

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Originally posted by stev�sto yea whats with the whining? what are we going to establish from this discussion? tech/minimal scene is ruined since its boom in popularity a couple years ago, the hipsters moved in and now it suffers a disease known as vanity. people's judgement on music is influenced greatly by knowing the artist name and the artist's rep'. minimal used to be an escape from conformity, now it suffers from conformity. the worst attributes of electronic dance culture are in this scene, like "knowing the right people". anyway im sure radio slave sucked a lot of showbiz cock to get where he is. what a stupid uncreative artist name too.

aw are you ok

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Originally posted by stev�sto anyway im sure radio slave sucked a lot of showbiz cock to get where he is. what a stupid uncreative artist name too.

You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about, as usual.

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Originally posted by Clovis You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about, as usual.

Are you saying no penis was in or around his mouth at any time?

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Originally posted by nchs09 Are you saying no penis was in or around his mouth at any time?

I'm just saying, theres people who think about shit before talking, and people who don't.

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Originally posted by Clovis Imo radio slave's tunes have a unique quality that I can't find in almost anything Deadmau5 has ever made. He strips down tracks to their most basic elements but I find those elements pleasing and well put together. It is rather formulaic, and it is extremely drawn out and simplified, but for a reason, because his whole style is based around making you concentrate and get drawn into very simple elements. I happen to like a lot, sometimes it doesn't work (I dunno what the fuss over Grindhouse Tool is), other times its absolutely amazing (Dead Souls remix, K-Maze) To me, its less about him having a lack of ideas and taking the easy way out, than it is exploring this method of making tunes. He's pretty much the only one making tracks in such a manner, imo it's a pretty distinct style. My opinion of him and his tunes is also swayed by the fact that I have hung out with him several times and gotten to know a little bit more about how he thinks musically. I may not always agree with his music, but I do respect him and his approach. Dead Souls remix is probably going to remain my favorite track of this time period (07/08), and become a classic in my eyes.

See, I get all of this - believe me. No one is going to fault anyone in this thread for just liking whatever they do - taste is taste. I just think it's interesting that both Deadmau5 and Radio Slave are the epitome of formulaic EDM producers, yet their work is received so differently, which was really the point of this thread and not which one is "better."

I just don't think statements that are effectively little more than "I like the noises he uses" can really account for, or justify, such a massive difference in reception.

Anyways, people should just be listening to stuff on Kompakt. That's where the entertaining music is.

+1 Clovis

dont worry, stevesto is a dickhead on mnml.nl too

And anyone who thinks I didn't know exactly what I was in for when I created this thread should really know better.

I knew mentioning Radio Slave in the same breath as Deadmau5 would get you monkey's riled up.

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Originally posted by RJT And anyone who thinks I didn't know exactly what I was in for when I created this thread should really know better. I knew mentioning Radio Slave in the same breath as Deadmau5 would get you monkey's riled up.

Gimme a break i'm new here

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Originally posted by RJT See, I get all of this - believe me. No one is going to fault anyone in this thread for just liking whatever they do - taste is taste. I just think it's interesting that both Deadmau5 and Radio Slave are the epitome of formulaic EDM producers, yet their work is received so differently, which was really the point of this thread and not which one is "better." I just don't think statements that are effectively little more than "I like the noises he uses" can really account for, or justify, such a massive difference in reception. Anyways, people should just be listening to stuff on Kompakt. That's where the entertaining music is.

Well then I see you read the guide on how to argue over the internet

This was your original question, first post: Does someone want to try and tell me that the quality of RS tunes is somehow objectively better?

Well, it's obviously going to be subjective.

The fact is, and you can admit this too: Deadmau5 found a sound, beat it to death in a year or so, whereas RS is far more versatile in his production skills.

Well part of it is because Radio Slave IS seen as cool, and HAS achieved (IMO) greatness. (Bell Clap Dance, Deer In The Headlights Remix), so people cut him slack. Deadmousse on the other hand, has pretty much been on a downward spiral since Faxing Berlin. With Radio Slave, probably a lot of those kids who don't really pay attention or aren't opinionated don't hate on him, for fear of myself or Asbrey chewing them to bits. Also, it's a lot easier to jump on the hate train than it is to start it.

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Originally posted by RJT I just don't think statements that are effectively little more than "I like the noises he uses" can really account for, or justify, such a massive difference in reception.

But thats pretty much all it is for me. It's a small difference that makes the WORLD. His music is vastly more subtle and interesting to me than deadmouse preset, "heard this before" sounding stuff, not only in sounds used but the way the sounds are arranged and structured. Just the tiny little cracks and pops and shuffles in Radio Slave's percussion I love, and the ridiculously subtle bass hits that beef up the kick in tracks like dead souls or the unkle remix. Also, I'm a DJ and I like really fucking long mixes and layering and his tracks are great for that.

It doesn't sound like much but imo its the difference between interesting music that I enjoy and music that is far too predictable and worn out for my liking.

i was never a radio slave fan


but i do like tatatkanaktakanan or whatever it is


there are better masters of repetition and they started making music a long time ago


i think this question is a matter of taste.


Radio Slave is dirtier, darker, and funkier and thus more enjoyed by serious clubbers and drug users whereas deadmau5 is fluffy and accessible and thus enjoyed by novice types. Radio Slave's tracks create a basic framework and mood that allows for interpretation and Deadmau5 tracks tell a crowd how to react.


That said, even Francois K plays Faxing Berlin! (And Bell Clap Dance too!)

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Originally posted by julien2 This was your original question, first post: Does someone want to try and tell me that the quality of RS tunes is somehow objectively better? Well, it's obviously going to be subjective.

It's called "baiting" and boy did you ever bite - which is part of what makes all this so entertaining for me.

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Originally posted by julien2 The fact is, and you can admit this too: Deadmau5 found a sound, beat it to death in a year or so, whereas RS is far more versatile in his production skills.

No, I won't admit it. I think Radio Slave has also beat his sound to death in a year, and there's nothing you can say that is going to change that.

Though it's amusing to hear you say "It's all subjective" and then follow it with "You can admit this too . . . Radio Slave is far more versatile in his production skills."

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Originally posted by Clovis Well part of it is because Radio Slave IS seen as cool, and HAS achieved (IMO) greatness. (Bell Clap Dance, Deer In The Headlights Remix), so people cut him slack. Deadmousse on the other hand, has pretty much been on a downward spiral since Faxing Berlin. With Radio Slave, probably a lot of those kids who don't really pay attention or aren't opinionated don't hate on him, for fear of myself or Asbrey chewing them to bits. Also, it's a lot easier to jump on the hate train than it is to start it.

Bingo. We have a winner.

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Originally posted by Clovis But thats pretty much all it is for me. It's a small difference that makes the WORLD. His music is vastly more subtle and interesting to me than deadmouse preset, "heard this before" sounding stuff, not only in sounds used but the way the sounds are arranged and structured. Just the tiny little cracks and pops and shuffles in Radio Slave's percussion I love, and the ridiculously subtle bass hits that beef up the kick in tracks like dead souls or the unkle remix. Also, I'm a DJ and I like really fucking long mixes and layering and his tracks are great for that. It doesn't sound like much but imo its the difference between interesting music that I enjoy and music that is far too predictable and worn out for my liking.

Right, but again - that's taste. I happen to think Radio Slave is the height of predictability - I know exactly what all of his tunes are going to do for the entire duration based on a two minute Beatport sample and prior experience.

And again, this isn't saying I don't enjoy playing around with his tunes quite a bit (I played 4 minutes of his remix of "Eleny" out this past weekend), I just felt like calling a spade a spade today, and for me there isn't any innovation in Radio Slave tunes. It's very much as you describe with Deadmau5 - I feel like he has maybe 10 preset MIDI arrangements he just plugs different VST's into that will create a signature RS tune.

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Originally posted by RJT Right, but again - that's taste. I happen to think Radio Slave is the height of predictability - I know exactly what all of his tunes are going to do for the entire duration based on a two minute Beatport sample and prior experience.

I don't think that's necessarily bad. With A lot of the tracks I buy, I buy them because of their 'sound' alone, and the mood that creates. I try to create movement through the overlay and sequence of several tracks.

With deadmau5 tracks, the movement is already in the track - it's like a prefabricated moment. That makes it boring for me to play as a DJ.

I almost always think about music in relation to how I would use it in a DJ set (I can't help it, and I think it only makes sense with club-oriented music anyways) and this is the main, functional reason I don't play deadmau5 tracks. The secondary, more subjective reason would be that I don't like the sound of his tracks or the mood seems too plastic to me.

Well, Rob, I have good taste.

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Originally posted by nefardec I don't think that's necessarily bad. With A lot of the tracks I buy, I buy them because of their 'sound' alone, and the mood that creates. I try to create movement through the overlay and sequence of several tracks. With deadmau5 tracks, the movement is already in the track - it's like a prefabricated moment. That makes it boring for me to play as a DJ. I almost always think about music in relation to how I would use it in a DJ set (I can't help it, and I think it only makes sense with club-oriented music anyways) and this is the main, functional reason I don't play deadmau5 tracks. The secondary, more subjective reason would be that I don't like the sound of his tracks or the mood seems too plastic to me.

I don't think it's bad either. I've actually been trying to play some stuff from Ben Brown and a few other MWTA's when I'm just screwing around lately and have found that the kinds of tunes that you're describing (with very, very clear arrangements - the kinds of tunes that demand you mix them a certain way) I'm completely clueless. I can't play them, I don't have a clue what to do with them - I just don't "get it."

I just think the fact that one group will accept the formula without question when it comes to their tastes, yet argue, bitch, and moan about something being "too formulaic" when in reality they just don't like it, is an interesting hypocrisy that every single one of us can probably look back on and say "Huh, that was my gut reaction and I didn't even realize how ridiculous it sounds in hindsight."

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Originally posted by Clovis Well, Rob, I have good taste.

Oh believe me, I know - but I still think the RS mixes of whatever the hell tune that was on Emfire and the Dead Souls remix are pants.

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Originally posted by Clovis I'm just saying, theres people who think about shit before talking, and people who don't.

no. you just happen to like his music, thats all. so what if i make an offensive remark questioning him being genuine.

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Originally posted by julien2 +1 Clovis dont worry, stevesto is a dickhead on mnml.nl too

proof. show some links. wait, you're an RS fan too. nevermind.

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Originally posted by Beat Blog I've seen some shockingly bad DJ sets in my time - Richard Durand, Audiobullys etc. I have to say that Radio Slave was the most boring(not bad) set I've ever seen. He takes "minimal" to a new level. A 4/4 beat is just as entertaining.

I saw him playing at the Terrace of Space in Ibiza. He did the warmup for Liebing. And I must say I agree upon this. His set was as minimal as it could get ... bleeps all the way. It was boring but still he was able to catch everyone's attention. And then he decided to play his remix of Moan, repetition all the way, but the place just exploded.

Considering the discussion on his tracks .. I'm playing quite a lot of his stuff lately. He is a master of repetition but most tracks are still able to keep my attention long enough. And if they don't, you just mix them out a bit earlier. Due to their repetitiveness they are often also a pleasure to mix.

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