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sometimes u want to smash kick and bassline together so it become more bass. smack my bitch up is probably not sidechained, if so reverse lol. use the kick as a boost for baseline so its louder when the kick enters.

Anyone know how to mute the Kickdrum in Cubase and still get the sidechain effect from it ?

i know i said i wasn't going to come back here... but this is my last one. REALLY!

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Originally posted by palm sometimes u want to smash kick and bassline together so it become more bass.

no, the phasing would actually give you less bass

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Originally posted by Subtle Anyone know how to mute the Kickdrum in Cubase and still get the sidechain effect from it ?

are you using cubase 4? if so, route a prefader send to the sidechain. this way you can mute the kick channel and it will still be sent. you can probably do the same thing in sx3 using the quadro method (i'm not sure).

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Originally posted by echosystm no, the phasing would actually give you less bass

thats a 50/50% chance

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Originally posted by echosystm are you using cubase 4? if so, route a prefader send to the sidechain. this way you can mute the kick channel and it will still be sent. you can probably do the same thing in sx3 using the quadro method (i'm not sure).

SX 3, how exactly do u route a prefader ? there is a prefader button on the send channel, but it doesnt change anything.

You could create a sidechain specific channel? I usually do this for increased flexibility.

I lay about a new audio channel with kick playing a 4/4 and just turn the track volume down. Useful if you want the effect to continue after the audible kick has stopped.

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Originally posted by flutlicht junky You could create a sidechain specific channel? I usually do this for increased flexibility. I lay about a new audio channel with kick playing a 4/4 and just turn the track volume down. Useful if you want the effect to continue after the audible kick has stopped.

Turning the volume down removes the sidechain effect. What do u mean specific channel ?

personally i just an 8 band stereo mulitband compressor....Takes care of a lot without really producing any serious ducking.

Re: a lot of people here use sidechain

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Originally posted by newtrancer i noticed a lot of guys and girls here use sidechanin effects for stuff you can normally do other ways. I know everyone cant be using it. Id love to hear some samples from some of your work with no sidechain used ,so people will realize that they dont need it. so post some samples.

Which is the purpose of the topic? ... I don't really understand... some people use it, others not, and what?
The most important is if the track is good or not, sidechain or not!
no?

What's with all this no sidechaining elitism?
It doesn't have to be used on bass, and it doesn't have to be that obvious.
I like to use it on percussion and pads too. You can even use other triggers than a kick.
For example, compressing a pad with the hihats as a trigger.

i prefer to do the kick/bass oopa thing and then have other rolling basses that have low end cuts and sidechain. even if you have a good clean kick/bass combo sidechaining can sound great. sidechains from kicks sound awsome on pads as well as long leads with delays. get creative with it and its your friend.

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Originally posted by piku303 i prefer to do the kick/bass oopa thing and then have other rolling basses that have low end cuts and sidechain. even if you have a good clean kick/bass combo sidechaining can sound great. sidechains from kicks sound awsome on pads as well as long leads with delays. get creative with it and its your friend.

+1

I just manually side-chain the bass with respect to the kick and it works fine.
Maybe it'll be worth it to side-chain other instruments to yet other instruments too.

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Originally posted by xcalator The most important is if the track is good or not, sidechain or not! no?

+100000

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Originally posted by echosystm your point is retarded. sidechaining is the only way to mix instruments without losing the frequencies in between. / end thread.

I'm going to have to totally agree here. I used to believe sidechaining was only used for that wha/wha effect inbetween beats but I now see its full potential in getting everything in the mix to sit right. Once I learned these techniques, I'm not sure how I ever lived without them.

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Originally posted by Magnus I'm going to have to totally agree here. I used to believe sidechaining was only used for that wha/wha effect inbetween beats but I now see its full potential in getting everything in the mix to sit right. Once I learned these techniques, I'm not sure how I ever lived without them.

How many do you use in a track? Do you use them on most or all parts of your track?

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Originally posted by DigiNut Um, dude, give me a break, I've spent more time than anyone on here trying to explain that sidechaining is NOT Benny Benassi, and you know that. However, if you read Rich's post, you'll see that that was clearly the effect he was describing. He referred multiple times specifically to the bass and kick. As for being more "efficient" than using "an EQ alone", the question is: efficient at what?

again, you miss the point. yes, i did mention the bass and kick. it didnt mean i meant a throbbing benassi style bass and kick. i was meantioning a kick and bass because this is the area which benefits most from the sidechain compressing technique.

by efficient, i meant: 'as little work possible while maintaining the desired benefit'. i stand by my point that any track not using a sidechain in the kick and bass will benefit if the technique was added.

Not if the bass is playing between the kicks.

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Originally posted by Subtle Not if the bass is playing between the kicks.

i suppose, but this is very rare to find a track where the bass and the kick do not cross at all.

i like to sidechain my 909 ride sample

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Originally posted by richg101 i suppose, but this is very rare to find a track where the bass and the kick do not cross at all.

klubbheadz - kickin hard

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Originally posted by richg101 i suppose, but this is very rare to find a track where the bass and the kick do not cross at all.

Its as rare as a track with an offbeat bassline.

Anyways, ive found my tracks improving significant with the use if sidechain, and its also easier to actually make a good bassline with notes that does hit the kickdrum.

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Originally posted by Subtle Its as rare as a track with an offbeat bassline.

a usual bassdrum (especially the ones from vengeance) are longer than half a bar. so if you don't cut the bassdrum you already have bass and bassdrum mixed up.

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Originally posted by thecYrus a usual bassdrum (especially the ones from vengeance) are longer than half a bar. so if you don't cut the bassdrum you already have bass and bassdrum mixed up.

Yeah but older tracks didnt use Vengeance now did they ? good old 909.

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Originally posted by palm klubbheadz - kickin hard

Oh my god, this brings back memories
Love this track because of it

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Originally posted by Subtle Yeah but older tracks didnt use Vengeance now did they ? good old 909.

old tracks have way more important things to improve than sidechain

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